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On May 09 2018 19:56 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:56 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:54 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:52 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:
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Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote What exactly prevent you from pre-splitting your broods before the fight ? Unlike PB, missiles don't follow your units. what exactly prevented pre-splitting vikings? yeah, they don't follow your units because all of their damage is upfront. Their damage is done faster then para bomb. There was a lot of presplitting, but it would not matter because with 5+ vipers you could essentially parabomb an entire screen worth of space. And you can't missile an entire screen?
You can't do it again within 30 seconds.
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On May 09 2018 19:56 DieuCure wrote:
Dark lol
Yeah not like we had to endure having a shit TvX lategame for years
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On May 09 2018 19:55 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:53 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:47 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good. Because they are air units and they naturally clump. I see terran's clump their vikings all the time against para bomb, but you have time to react after the damage starts because they don't stack. Remember them having to make it not stack because terran's couldn't split their vikings? Come on, you can't justify his terrible control in that game by "naturally clump".He literally kept them stacked at all time, parked next to the terran's bases, or while A moving into him, without the slighest attempt at splitting. I didn't say his control wasn't terrible. I'm saying that you can't tell zergs to "just split like terrans always do" when parasitic bomb was changed because terrans couldn't split their vikings. It wasn't changed because terran wouldn't split, it was changed because it wasn't possible to split against it, since you could just stack it and get 100 dps .. IN A MOVING AREA FOLLOWING AN UNIT. Lol, and you have time to split after 10 missiles get put on your army? lol, it's the same thing dude. Because missile does a lot less damage on a much smaller area than stacking PB.
"a lot less damage" deletes units with twice the health of a viking in 1 second. You can also only cast 1 para bomb per viper, and it doesn't damage ground units.
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I think the matchup is quite boring right now but at least the discussions are always entertaining in a TvZ group :p
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On May 09 2018 19:58 Fyzar wrote:
I think the matchup is quite boring right now but at least the discussions are always entertaining in a TvZ group :p
Haha, agreed on both points
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On May 09 2018 19:57 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:56 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:56 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:54 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:52 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:
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Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote What exactly prevent you from pre-splitting your broods before the fight ? Unlike PB, missiles don't follow your units. what exactly prevented pre-splitting vikings? yeah, they don't follow your units because all of their damage is upfront. Their damage is done faster then para bomb. There was a lot of presplitting, but it would not matter because with 5+ vipers you could essentially parabomb an entire screen worth of space. And you can't missile an entire screen? You can't do it again within 30 seconds.
Yeah, you can do it much faster.
Edit> I don't know if you noticed, but we're talking about mass raven. If someone loses to 6 ravens casting several missiles, yeah, that's bad, but we saw just what, 20+ ravens?
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On May 09 2018 20:00 Durnuu wrote:
General Swarm Hosti!
RIP 
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On May 09 2018 19:58 Poopi wrote:Yeah not like we had to endure having a shit TvX lategame for years
2016 3bases roach ultra was so much fun ya 
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On May 09 2018 19:59 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:58 Fyzar wrote:
I think the matchup is quite boring right now but at least the discussions are always entertaining in a TvZ group :p Haha, agreed on both points
I miss the lasers though 
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Blizzard really fucked up this matchup since LotV. Every single trend has been unenjoyable for players and spectators.
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On May 09 2018 20:00 Durnuu wrote:
General Swarm Hosti!
*Generale Swarm Hosti
I'd say he's Italian
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Ultra was sacrificed but the harvest isn't fruitful, Impact's wondering what's wrong
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On May 09 2018 20:02 Penev wrote:*Generale Swarm Hosti I'd say he's Italian
Charged head on into the terran ranks.
He was a bold one
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On May 09 2018 20:02 Morbidius wrote:
Blizzard really fucked up this matchup since LotV. Every single trend has been unenjoyable for players and spectators.
Personally, I enjoy watching PvZ more lately than TvZ. TvZ used to be the most entertaining matchup. Just my opinion.
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impact died before raven ghost could get played. Terrans are greatful of this so raven ghost doesnt get shown as op comp
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The thing i dont like is that ravens cant be punished if they lose energy because they can retrieve behind ghost line.
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That engage was diamond league, I should know 
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Barely even 32 pro players left in Korea, basicly everone qualifies.
Players like Zanster, Impact and Sortoff really shouldn't be in GSL
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On May 09 2018 20:14 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
Barely even 32 pro players left in Korea, basicly everone qualifies.
Players like Zanster, Impact and Sortoff really shouldn't be in GSL
Yes that's why players like jjakji Forte RagnaroK herO are out
And Impact won the Katowice qualifier so ?
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EPT
