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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba".
Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom.
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The bright side is that soO's terrible lategame ZvT is finally exposed
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This game was a disaster by soO.
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it's not just imba ppl, it's stupid as fuck. Really disappointing addition to the game.
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On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good.
Because they are air units and they naturally clump. I see terran's clump their vikings all the time against para bomb, but you have time to react after the damage starts because they don't stack. Remember them having to make it not stack because terran's couldn't split their vikings?
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On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom.
Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times
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On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom.
Still applies. The damage / range / cost ratio of the missile is god awful, literally the only situation in which it is good is if the opponent stacks his units hard.
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Maybe they should make parasitic bomb stackable again to counter the ravens?
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On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that soO played well, doesn’t mean the ability is fair though.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times
Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird.
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On May 09 2018 19:45 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good. Because they are air units and they naturally clump. I see terran's clump their vikings all the time against para bomb, but you have time to react after the damage starts because they don't stack. Remember them having to make it not stack because terran's couldn't split their vikings?
Come on, you can't justify his terrible control in that game by "naturally clump".He literally kept them stacked at all time, parked next to the terran's bases, or while A moving into him, without the slighest attempt at splitting.
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On May 09 2018 19:46 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Still applies. The damage / range / cost ratio of the missile is god awful, literally the only situation in which it is good is if the opponent stacks his units hard.
So the reason why every Terran goes mass ravena ia because they all hope progamers forcefuly stack their units :D?
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On May 09 2018 19:46 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good. I don’t think anyone is arguing that soO played well, doesn’t mean the ability is fair though.
Oh the ability is still stupid. Just saying it isn't as impossible to counter as some people make it be.
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On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom.
The game was over when he failed two push with broodlord and no support, ravens just allowed him to play some extra times 
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On May 09 2018 19:47 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:46 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Still applies. The damage / range / cost ratio of the missile is god awful, literally the only situation in which it is good is if the opponent stacks his units hard. So the reason why every Terran goes mass ravena ia because they all hope progamers forcefuly stack their units :D?
Seems to work well enough against some people, eh.
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On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird.
Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings)
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Zerg players are just less talented
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On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings)
Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight.
Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol"
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On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings)
viking can also just land to dodge although that might be bad if its a big fight.
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