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On April 19 2018 09:19 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 09:08 mierin wrote:On April 19 2018 06:38 pvsnp wrote:On April 19 2018 06:29 mierin wrote:
I am curious about something. When Byun (I believe) single handedly got reapers nerfed because of his singular skill with them during the early game, did everyone object to that?
Byun was a great player, but it got boring watching him dismantle zerg after zerg with his reaper tactics.
The same (I argue) can be said for Maru...while he is an insanely skilled player, is his mastery of ghost/raven dismantling every zerg player who gets to that point okay? If so, why is it more okay than what Byun was doing way back when? As a tertiary point, do people believe that with enough time and practice zergs could be able to beat what Byun was doing back in his prime? Comparing Raven/Ghost with 3rax reaper is a false equivalence. One was super earlygame, the other super lategame. By definition there are far fewer factors in play and thus available options in the earlygame. Whereas Zerg was fundamentally limited to X resources when going up against 3rax reaper, the situations in which they face Raven/Ghost are many and varied and far more unique to each game. Raven/Ghost has its own share of problems, but they are very different than the problems of 3rax reaper. It's not a false equivalence. Can you name any other players who consistently dominate any race in any stage of the game versus all the best people in the world at Starcraft II? The name for any player who dominated every race vs all the best people in the world is bonjwa. SC2 has never had a bonjwa.
You are confusing "any" with "every". I never said "every". I said "any."
EDIT: I'm sorry as I know English is my first language so I shouldn't assume. What I was trying to say was, can you point to any player of a particular race, who can defeat an opponent in any of the early/mid/late game with the same strategy consistently (like Maru raven/ghost endgame works vs. zerg endgame, and like Byun reapers early game beat zerg early game).
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
Was any of this recommended?
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On April 19 2018 09:30 juicyjames wrote:
Was any of this recommended?
Honestly...it depends on who you cheer for. Classic? Watch all his games. Leenock...don't watch and drink yourself into oblivion. Elazer...watch his games vs. Leenock and game 1 vs. Byun. Byun...just watch the last series.
As far as amazingly played games...not sure any of them deserve that.
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On April 19 2018 09:26 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 09:19 pvsnp wrote:On April 19 2018 09:08 mierin wrote:On April 19 2018 06:38 pvsnp wrote:On April 19 2018 06:29 mierin wrote:
I am curious about something. When Byun (I believe) single handedly got reapers nerfed because of his singular skill with them during the early game, did everyone object to that?
Byun was a great player, but it got boring watching him dismantle zerg after zerg with his reaper tactics.
The same (I argue) can be said for Maru...while he is an insanely skilled player, is his mastery of ghost/raven dismantling every zerg player who gets to that point okay? If so, why is it more okay than what Byun was doing way back when? As a tertiary point, do people believe that with enough time and practice zergs could be able to beat what Byun was doing back in his prime? Comparing Raven/Ghost with 3rax reaper is a false equivalence. One was super earlygame, the other super lategame. By definition there are far fewer factors in play and thus available options in the earlygame. Whereas Zerg was fundamentally limited to X resources when going up against 3rax reaper, the situations in which they face Raven/Ghost are many and varied and far more unique to each game. Raven/Ghost has its own share of problems, but they are very different than the problems of 3rax reaper. It's not a false equivalence. Can you name any other players who consistently dominate any race in any stage of the game versus all the best people in the world at Starcraft II? The name for any player who dominated every race vs all the best people in the world is bonjwa. SC2 has never had a bonjwa. You are confusing "any" with "every". I never said "every". I said "any." EDIT: I'm sorry as I know English is my first language so I shouldn't assume. What I was trying to say was, can you point to any player of a particular race, who can defeat an opponent in any of the early/mid/late game with the same strategy consistently (like Maru raven/ghost endgame works vs. zerg endgame, and like Byun reapers early game beat zerg early game).
English is not my first language, as it so happens, though I do think I've used it for long enough to call myself fluent.
I would argue in your case that saying "any race in any stage" could be interpreted to mean "every race in every stage" due to the fact that "any" is frequently used as a colloquialism in that context.
You are correct in that Ɐ != ∃ but the technical meaning has degenerated into colloquial ambiguity. Which is to say, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
e,g. If my friend says "I can solve any problem on this assignment," I would not assume that he can only solve a single problem on the assignment, but rather the entire thing.
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United States97277 Posts
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through
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You are correct in that Ɐ != ∃ but the technical meaning has degenerated into colloquial ambiguity. Which is to say, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
He isn't correct. "any" is universal quantification, not existential quantification. "The proposition holds for any x" is equivalent to "The proposition holds for all x".
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Yeee ByuN! Don't expect him to make it past the next round but at least he didn't go out early this time
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On April 19 2018 11:50 Shellshock wrote:
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through
It's really surprising how many people thought this. Even in not peak form Byun shouldn't be losing to Elazer or Leenock. The marine pushes he does every game are more than enough for those guys.
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On April 19 2018 16:33 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 11:50 Shellshock wrote:
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through It's really surprising how many people thought this. Even in not peak form Byun shouldn't be losing to Elazer or Leenock. The marine pushes he does every game are more than enough for those guys.
As evidenced by 2 30min games vs Elazer
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On April 19 2018 19:02 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 16:33 Fango wrote:On April 19 2018 11:50 Shellshock wrote:
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through It's really surprising how many people thought this. Even in not peak form Byun shouldn't be losing to Elazer or Leenock. The marine pushes he does every game are more than enough for those guys. As evidenced by 2 30min games vs Elazer
Yeah, I felt like his series vs Elazer was pretty close overall. Seemed to me like it could have gone either way.
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If they are naming tournaments over overplayed maps why not a season on ASL Fighting Spirit?
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On April 19 2018 23:00 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 19:02 Ej_ wrote:On April 19 2018 16:33 Fango wrote:On April 19 2018 11:50 Shellshock wrote:
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through It's really surprising how many people thought this. Even in not peak form Byun shouldn't be losing to Elazer or Leenock. The marine pushes he does every game are more than enough for those guys. As evidenced by 2 30min games vs Elazer Yeah, I felt like his series vs Elazer was pretty close overall. Seemed to me like it could have gone either way.
it wasn`t close in both losing games Elazer lost twice as much resourses as ByuN did, ByuN could finish it quicker but didn`t wanna be too risky there
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On April 19 2018 19:02 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 16:33 Fango wrote:On April 19 2018 11:50 Shellshock wrote:
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through It's really surprising how many people thought this. Even in not peak form Byun shouldn't be losing to Elazer or Leenock. The marine pushes he does every game are more than enough for those guys. As evidenced by 2 30min games vs Elazer
I should have clarified. The marine pushes he does every game are usually more than enough for guys like Elazer or Leenock. He should have been heavily favoured to beat them.
The series against Elazer was surprisingly close though. Probably because they're both not particularly good in the lategame and couldn't finish eachother of.
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On April 20 2018 22:10 Mike L wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 23:00 neutralrobot wrote:On April 19 2018 19:02 Ej_ wrote:On April 19 2018 16:33 Fango wrote:On April 19 2018 11:50 Shellshock wrote:
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through It's really surprising how many people thought this. Even in not peak form Byun shouldn't be losing to Elazer or Leenock. The marine pushes he does every game are more than enough for those guys. As evidenced by 2 30min games vs Elazer Yeah, I felt like his series vs Elazer was pretty close overall. Seemed to me like it could have gone either way. it wasn`t close in both losing games Elazer lost twice as much resourses as ByuN did, ByuN could finish it quicker but didn`t wanna be too risky there
The resources lost at the end of the game doesn't tell the whole story. A lot of the resources were lost after the game was mostly decided. Prior to that, Elazer kept it fairly close and had a fighting chance. If it's not 'close' you will lose before you even get to that point in the game.
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On April 19 2018 11:50 Shellshock wrote:
Nice didn’t actually expect ByuN to get through
But who cares what Nice thinks?
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