• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:38
CET 06:38
KST 14:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block0GSL CK - New online series11BSL Season 224Vitality ends partnership with ONSYDE20Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice6
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block GSL CK - New online series Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza Vitality ends partnership with ONSYDE How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
BSL Season 22 BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ battle.net problems ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BWCL Season 64 Announcement [BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC) Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1893 users

[WESG 2017] Playoffs - Day 1 - Page 23

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 46 Next All
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
March 17 2018 08:11 GMT
#441
On March 17 2018 17:10 Charoisaur wrote:
this game is broken.
Zerg didn't get the default win in a game that went past 20 minute.
Pls fix David Kim!

zerg default win with terran having ravens??
why even
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
March 17 2018 08:11 GMT
#442
On March 17 2018 17:11 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 17:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 17 2018 17:08 Parrek wrote:
Regardless of balance, just like burrow fungal, and insta cast fungal, this mass raven style looks really stupid. I like the ability idea. Just nerf damage. Terran can fight late game without an insta cast 30 damage a shot bomb

no they can't


On Eastwatch you totally can. Ghosts alone dominate this map's lategame.

And Maru is being incredibly cinematic. Those battlecruisers yamatoing the hatch, and mass nukes? Just sexy.

Ghosts get denied by fungal

Fungal gets denied by EMP
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-17 08:13:23
March 17 2018 08:12 GMT
#443
GG
*burp*
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2018 08:12 GMT
#444
On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote:
As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now?

Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works.

You try to win before there's maxed terran army with ghost and raven or you don't
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-17 08:13:47
March 17 2018 08:12 GMT
#445
On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote:
As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now?

Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works.

The new missiles do 30 splash damage instead of 100

And Vipers have 120-damage Parasitic Bomb now. Infested Terrans shred air but are rarely used (because of hatch time)
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 17 2018 08:13 GMT
#446
On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote:
As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now?

Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works.

You need to kill the terran before it happens, apparently.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
March 17 2018 08:13 GMT
#447
On March 17 2018 17:13 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote:
As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now?

Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works.

You need to kill the terran before it happens, apparently.

unacceptable, it should be the other way again
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-17 08:14:50
March 17 2018 08:14 GMT
#448
On March 17 2018 17:11 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 17:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 17 2018 17:08 Parrek wrote:
Regardless of balance, just like burrow fungal, and insta cast fungal, this mass raven style looks really stupid. I like the ability idea. Just nerf damage. Terran can fight late game without an insta cast 30 damage a shot bomb

no they can't


On Eastwatch you totally can. Ghosts alone dominate this map's lategame.

And Maru is being incredibly cinematic. Those battlecruisers yamatoing the hatch, and mass nukes? Just sexy.

Ghosts get denied by fungal


Ghosts have snipe and EMP.

Every single super late game TvZ on Eastwatch I've ever seen has been won by ghosts. This map's layout is just amazing for them.

On normal maps it's more nuanced ofc.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
March 17 2018 08:14 GMT
#449
Good morning
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
March 17 2018 08:14 GMT
#450
I think Serral lacked of vision, what i like to do lategame vs T is a lot of overseer and send waves of changelins, then you don't get surprised by his raven army suddendly launching a lot of missiles.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
March 17 2018 08:15 GMT
#451
Ravens are way too strong, enjoy your TvT-fests!
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2018 08:15 GMT
#452
We've reached that point, boys. A caster said "don't let them get there."
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
March 17 2018 08:15 GMT
#453
On March 17 2018 17:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:08 Parrek wrote:
Regardless of balance, just like burrow fungal, and insta cast fungal, this mass raven style looks really stupid. I like the ability idea. Just nerf damage. Terran can fight late game without an insta cast 30 damage a shot bomb

no they can't

Thank you for the enlightening and interesting reasons. At a pro level, Terran hasn't been completely useless in late game ever. Even in the height of HotS TvP where Terrans SCV pulled and mass dropped, there were Terrans who could legitimately fight late game. That was before we got liberators that can absolutely allow Terran to fight protoss, and we got colossus nerfed hard along with all the other changes. All the biggest things that allow other races to destroy Terran in late game got nerfed in some way. Anti armor missile stopped 8 armor ultras. Burrow fungal is gone, and now slows instead of stuns which makes it much weaker. Liberator ghost can give real area control in late game, colossus storm is nerfed hard as a style, disruptors got nerfed, tempests got nerfed a long time ago, and more. Even without the armor missile, Terran are in a better spot in late game than they have ever been.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 17 2018 08:16 GMT
#454
On March 17 2018 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
Ravens are way too strong, enjoy your TvT-fests!


We gonna clone Maru and have him fight himself?
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 17 2018 08:17 GMT
#455
On March 17 2018 17:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
Ravens are way too strong, enjoy your TvT-fests!


We gonna clone Maru and have him fight himself?


He'd end up in a 2-rax mirror and both copies of him would somehow lose.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
March 17 2018 08:17 GMT
#456
On March 17 2018 17:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:10 usopsama wrote:
Best game in esports history.

Your bias shtick is getting pretty old

It is objectively the best game in esports history though.
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
March 17 2018 08:17 GMT
#457
On March 17 2018 17:13 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:13 HolydaKing wrote:
On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote:
As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now?

Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works.

You need to kill the terran before it happens, apparently.

unacceptable, it should be the other way again

What comp did Zerg have after burrow fungal and 8 armor ultras were nerfed that was really that way?
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
March 17 2018 08:18 GMT
#458
On March 17 2018 17:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
Ravens are way too strong, enjoy your TvT-fests!


We gonna clone Maru and have him fight himself?

Or maybe the terrans start using their brains and simply start playing like maru.
why even
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33567 Posts
March 17 2018 08:18 GMT
#459
so like, when there's a random crowd cheer, what game are they cheering for?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
March 17 2018 08:18 GMT
#460
we need a gif with this queen and this liberator killing each other
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 46 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #18
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft251
ProTech125
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 2279
Shuttle 479
yabsab 73
ToSsGirL 28
Noble 24
Icarus 11
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm127
League of Legends
JimRising 639
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1733
m0e_tv439
Other Games
summit1g13157
WinterStarcraft445
C9.Mang0333
RuFF_SC2115
Mew2King91
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick724
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 78
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1418
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
6h 22m
PiGosaur Monday
18h 22m
GSL
1d 4h
WardiTV Team League
1d 6h
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.