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Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
January 24 2018 15:05 GMT
#681
On January 24 2018 23:49 Vanillatoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2018 23:07 Kalera wrote:
On January 24 2018 21:57 Vanillatoss wrote:
Did I understand it correctly.. Special forfeited because he prepared to play against zerg and he had to play against terran with like 2h notice from ESL?

If thats the sole reason then its a big disappointment.. What kind of sportsmanship is that??
Of course he has all the rights to complain about the sudden change but he should have played the games first.
Probably Gumiho had just as much preparation as Special..

In starcraft you have to play against all the races.. not just one that you pick.. If you prepare for only 1 matchup then you have NO rights to complain that you have to play someone else. You dont play to be the Champion of TvZ or ZvZ.. You play to win and if you win such big tournament as IEM then that means you are currently the best starcraft player.



It seems like he was really unhappy with how the bracket was reseeded. I.e. the replacements were seeded at the bottom, so he felt got a raw deal as the #1 seed. Finding out late compounded it.

So I guess it would be better to remake whole bracket and screw everybody else right? Or maybe give him free win over Neeb or Kelazhur?

why you assume stuff without information?. i got told 7pm day on official website of iem i didnt look at liquidpedia before i would play losira into mostlikely soo into someone else that was most likely zerg. its my right to prepare the way i want? im progamer ur not i didnt see need to play any terran since if i played one i mostlilkely would play in loser bracket anyway. so yes if i only played vs zerg its my right. you can aee with way i prepare my tournament or not but it dosent matter? im the one playing

so yes i wake up and 30min before tournament starts not even told by admind that all bracket was changed me and scarlett were so surprised. i look at it and i had to play gumiho into like ty into maru. i prepared 0 tvt so yes im allowed to get upset i wasnt noticed that all bracket was changed?

not to mention all seedings is completly fucked up invited players are seed 1-8 and qualified from stage 1 are 9-16 being based in blizzcon into WCS for priority so i was seed #1

first of all soo vs ty cannot even be played cause its always supposed to be stage 1 vs invited always. and seed wise this woulda been seed 1 vs seed 2 from stage 1 comming into stage 2. aka seed 9 and 10. so its wrong
than neeb and kelazhur got replaced by gumiho and probe. somehow probe had a higher seed than gumiho for what ever reason.

i didnt expect anyone to forfeit. i just didnt see reason to play i wake up all bracket gets changed without noticing to me i practiced 0 tvt. u can agree or disagree all you want im the one that plays and its messed up. that at the very least i didnt get a message about it.

apparently some people got emails. i never did. i did saw scarlett email the next morming(30mins before playing qualifier)
and all the email contained was a link to bracket saying here is bracket. no where it even mentioned being a new bracket. why would she ever click that anyway if she already got linked before by admind the bracket? least email can contain is. hey here is new bracket please check it out old one is obsolete or something like that but nope.

dosent matter anyway since i didnt get that supposed email




than i wake up and
Progamer
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 15:32:42
January 24 2018 15:16 GMT
#682
On January 25 2018 00:05 Major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2018 23:49 Vanillatoss wrote:
On January 24 2018 23:07 Kalera wrote:
On January 24 2018 21:57 Vanillatoss wrote:
Did I understand it correctly.. Special forfeited because he prepared to play against zerg and he had to play against terran with like 2h notice from ESL?

If thats the sole reason then its a big disappointment.. What kind of sportsmanship is that??
Of course he has all the rights to complain about the sudden change but he should have played the games first.
Probably Gumiho had just as much preparation as Special..

In starcraft you have to play against all the races.. not just one that you pick.. If you prepare for only 1 matchup then you have NO rights to complain that you have to play someone else. You dont play to be the Champion of TvZ or ZvZ.. You play to win and if you win such big tournament as IEM then that means you are currently the best starcraft player.



It seems like he was really unhappy with how the bracket was reseeded. I.e. the replacements were seeded at the bottom, so he felt got a raw deal as the #1 seed. Finding out late compounded it.

So I guess it would be better to remake whole bracket and screw everybody else right? Or maybe give him free win over Neeb or Kelazhur?

why you assume stuff without information?. i got told 7pm day on official website of iem i didnt look at liquidpedia before i would play losira into mostlikely soo into someone else that was most likely zerg. its my right to prepare the way i want? im progamer ur not i didnt see need to play any terran since if i played one i mostlilkely would play in loser bracket anyway. so yes if i only played vs zerg its my right. you can aee with way i prepare my tournament or not but it dosent matter? im the one playing

so yes i wake up and 30min before tournament starts not even told by admind that all bracket was changed me and scarlett were so surprised. i look at it and i had to play gumiho into like ty into maru. i prepared 0 tvt so yes im allowed to get upset i wasnt noticed that all bracket was changed?

not to mention all seedings is completly fucked up invited players are seed 1-8 and qualified from stage 1 are 9-16 being based in blizzcon into WCS for priority so i was seed #1

first of all soo vs ty cannot even be played cause its always supposed to be stage 1 vs invited always. and seed wise this woulda been seed 1 vs seed 2 from stage 1 comming into stage 2. aka seed 9 and 10. so its wrong
than neeb and kelazhur got replaced by gumiho and probe. somehow probe had a higher seed than gumiho for what ever reason.

i didnt expect anyone to forfeit. i just didnt see reason to play i wake up all bracket gets changed without noticing to me i practiced 0 tvt. u can agree or disagree all you want im the one that plays and its messed up. that at the very least i didnt get a message about it.

apparently some people got emails. i never did. i did saw scarlett email the next morming(30mins before playing qualifier)
and all the email contained was a link to bracket saying here is bracket. no where it even mentioned being a new bracket. why would she ever click that anyway if she already got linked before by admind the bracket? least email can contain is. hey here is new bracket please check it out old one is obsolete or something like that but nope.

dosent matter anyway since i didnt get that supposed email




than i wake up and

So you didn't use the LP bracket? Because Apollos is saying that the official bracket was never wrong to begin with. The email went out because they noticed the LP bracket was wrong. They never changed anything, according to Apollo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/7sj7cb/once_again_organizers_of_major_tournaments_are/dt5r9sm/
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
January 24 2018 16:11 GMT
#683
Nah he wasnt wrong
TL+ Member
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
January 25 2018 13:53 GMT
#684
On January 24 2018 22:54 Zephyp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2018 22:38 AzAlexZ wrote:
1 race each
Overall from all qualifiers 4P 3T 4Z
#BALANCED

And so far in GSL it's 4P, 4T, 4Z, with the possibility of the last two groups skewing it a bit.

Why the fuk are people complaining about terran being weak then?
It's FUKING balanced, across the board (except for WCS Leipzig WITH SO MANY ZERGS and TERRANS)
Faker is the GOAT!
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
January 25 2018 15:20 GMT
#685
That sample size literally means nothing. Have you even seen TvP? It's a joke.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 25 2018 15:21 GMT
#686
On January 25 2018 00:16 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 00:05 Major wrote:
On January 24 2018 23:49 Vanillatoss wrote:
On January 24 2018 23:07 Kalera wrote:
On January 24 2018 21:57 Vanillatoss wrote:
Did I understand it correctly.. Special forfeited because he prepared to play against zerg and he had to play against terran with like 2h notice from ESL?

If thats the sole reason then its a big disappointment.. What kind of sportsmanship is that??
Of course he has all the rights to complain about the sudden change but he should have played the games first.
Probably Gumiho had just as much preparation as Special..

In starcraft you have to play against all the races.. not just one that you pick.. If you prepare for only 1 matchup then you have NO rights to complain that you have to play someone else. You dont play to be the Champion of TvZ or ZvZ.. You play to win and if you win such big tournament as IEM then that means you are currently the best starcraft player.



It seems like he was really unhappy with how the bracket was reseeded. I.e. the replacements were seeded at the bottom, so he felt got a raw deal as the #1 seed. Finding out late compounded it.

So I guess it would be better to remake whole bracket and screw everybody else right? Or maybe give him free win over Neeb or Kelazhur?

why you assume stuff without information?. i got told 7pm day on official website of iem i didnt look at liquidpedia before i would play losira into mostlikely soo into someone else that was most likely zerg. its my right to prepare the way i want? im progamer ur not i didnt see need to play any terran since if i played one i mostlilkely would play in loser bracket anyway. so yes if i only played vs zerg its my right. you can aee with way i prepare my tournament or not but it dosent matter? im the one playing

so yes i wake up and 30min before tournament starts not even told by admind that all bracket was changed me and scarlett were so surprised. i look at it and i had to play gumiho into like ty into maru. i prepared 0 tvt so yes im allowed to get upset i wasnt noticed that all bracket was changed?

not to mention all seedings is completly fucked up invited players are seed 1-8 and qualified from stage 1 are 9-16 being based in blizzcon into WCS for priority so i was seed #1

first of all soo vs ty cannot even be played cause its always supposed to be stage 1 vs invited always. and seed wise this woulda been seed 1 vs seed 2 from stage 1 comming into stage 2. aka seed 9 and 10. so its wrong
than neeb and kelazhur got replaced by gumiho and probe. somehow probe had a higher seed than gumiho for what ever reason.

i didnt expect anyone to forfeit. i just didnt see reason to play i wake up all bracket gets changed without noticing to me i practiced 0 tvt. u can agree or disagree all you want im the one that plays and its messed up. that at the very least i didnt get a message about it.

apparently some people got emails. i never did. i did saw scarlett email the next morming(30mins before playing qualifier)
and all the email contained was a link to bracket saying here is bracket. no where it even mentioned being a new bracket. why would she ever click that anyway if she already got linked before by admind the bracket? least email can contain is. hey here is new bracket please check it out old one is obsolete or something like that but nope.

dosent matter anyway since i didnt get that supposed email




than i wake up and

So you didn't use the LP bracket? Because Apollos is saying that the official bracket was never wrong to begin with. The email went out because they noticed the LP bracket was wrong. They never changed anything, according to Apollo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/7sj7cb/once_again_organizers_of_major_tournaments_are/dt5r9sm/

Can someone from liquipedia comment on that? I just find it hard to believe tbh, while errors are obviously possible in the end updating a bracket like that is really straight forward and the usual people updating it seem to do a good job.
Sounds fishy to me
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 25 2018 15:26 GMT
#687
On January 25 2018 22:53 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2018 22:54 Zephyp wrote:
On January 24 2018 22:38 AzAlexZ wrote:
1 race each
Overall from all qualifiers 4P 3T 4Z
#BALANCED

And so far in GSL it's 4P, 4T, 4Z, with the possibility of the last two groups skewing it a bit.

Why the fuk are people complaining about terran being weak then?
It's FUKING balanced, across the board (except for WCS Leipzig WITH SO MANY ZERGS and TERRANS)

I'm not sure if this is trolling or not?
The distribution of races with 11/12 players is not indicative of balance, and probably won't ever be, except if one race is sufficiently overpowered to allow inferior players win almost everytime. Firstly because that's not enough players to have statistical value.

Secondly, because balance affects matches that are otherwise 50-50, or even 60-40, not 70+.
For example, terrans struggle in TvP at the moment, but champions such as TY and Gumiho still managed to beat Hurricane who is a league below them. However TY lost a bunch of protoss closer to his skill level (Zest, Classic, etc...)

It doesn't matter much atm because the game will be soon patched and there are new maps, but we are indeed lucky that the bracket allowed for an even distribution of races so the tournament will be interesting to watch for everyone.
WriterMaru
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 21:23:51
January 25 2018 15:34 GMT
#688
I took a look at players that signed up for the open bracket, this event will be insane!

12 players waiting in the group stage:

(P)Dear
(P)Classic
(P)ShoWTimE
(P)sOs
(T)GuMiho
(T)INnoVation
(T)uThermal
(Z)Rogue
(Z)Dark
(Z)Elazer
(Z)Impact
(Z)Nerchio

(Very) Notable players likely to be in the open bracket:

(Z)Bly
(T)Bunny
(T)ByuN
(P)DnS
(P)Probe
(P)Harstem
(P)herO
(T)HeRoMaRinE
(P)Hurricane
(P)Indy
(T)jjakji
(T)Kelazhur
(Z)Lambo
(Z)Leenock
(T)Lillekanin
(Z)Losira
(T)MajOr
(P)MaNa
(Z)Namshar
(P)Neeb
(P)NightEnD
(Z)NoRegreT
(T)Optimus
(P)Patience
(P)PtitDrogo
(Z)RagnaroK
(P)Rail
(T)Ryung
(Z)Serral
(Z)Snute
(Z)Solar
(Z)soO
(Z)SortOf
(P)Stats
(Z)TLO
(Z)TRUE
(T)TY
(Z)Zanster
(P)Zest
(T)Maru
(P)Trap
(P)Creator
(T)Cure

Of course there are more players like Risky, HateMe etc. too.

Edit: JAGW is in!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
January 25 2018 16:28 GMT
#689
Oh please JAGW
TL+ Member
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 19:43:36
January 25 2018 19:03 GMT
#690
Maru and Trap finally signed up, but not Cure and Creator ...


E : Creator is in

Aaand our God too
TL+ Member
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 25 2018 21:23 GMT
#691
On January 26 2018 04:03 DieuCure wrote:
Maru and Trap finally signed up, but not Cure and Creator ...


E : Creator is in

Aaand our God too

Awesome!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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