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[IEM XII] Katowice - Qualifiers - Page 17

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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
January 22 2018 19:19 GMT
#321
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
January 22 2018 19:19 GMT
#322
On January 23 2018 04:18 pvsnp wrote:
Salty nerchio is back bois

Did he ever leave? :^)
why even
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 22 2018 19:19 GMT
#323
I would rather nerf Carriers and HTs .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 19:21:09
January 22 2018 19:20 GMT
#324
On January 23 2018 04:19 avilo wrote:
Yo, is the NA qualifier today

4 and a half hours from now, according to the sidebar

On January 23 2018 04:19 D-light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:18 pvsnp wrote:
Salty nerchio is back bois

Did he ever leave? :^)

I think there were a couple months last year where he was more mature
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
January 22 2018 19:20 GMT
#325
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 22 2018 19:21 GMT
#326
On January 23 2018 04:19 avilo wrote:
Yo, is the NA qualifier today


Yeah 4:00 pm PST today.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 22 2018 19:21 GMT
#327
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

Thors should beat lings
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 19:22:42
January 22 2018 19:22 GMT
#328
Throw into throw.
why even
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 22 2018 19:22 GMT
#329
Old fashioned bunker rush to answer the newfangled shitty ravager rush
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 22 2018 19:22 GMT
#330
On January 23 2018 04:21 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

Thors should beat lings

Thors shouldn't even be in the game
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 22 2018 19:23 GMT
#331
On January 23 2018 04:21 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

Thors should beat lings


Brood lords should beat void rays.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 19:25:15
January 22 2018 19:23 GMT
#332
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.
Kashim
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland1224 Posts
January 22 2018 19:23 GMT
#333
On January 23 2018 04:19 avilo wrote:
Yo, is the NA qualifier today


yes, 4h from now

https://play.eslgaming.com/starcraft/global/sc2/major/masters/season-12-world-championship-na-server-qualifier-stage-1/
SC2 LP Staff, Aligulac Editor, Tournament Organiser and Admin @KashimSC2
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
January 22 2018 19:27 GMT
#334
On January 23 2018 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.

Still a mass Ultra + X composition loses to tier 2 toss unless the X is broodlords.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 22 2018 19:27 GMT
#335
On January 23 2018 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.

An army of T3 for zerg isn't viable, none of them even shoot air outside Parabomb, so you have to use T2.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 19:36:34
January 22 2018 19:31 GMT
#336
On January 23 2018 04:27 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.

Still a mass Ultra + X composition loses to tier 2 toss unless the X is broodlords.

You're cherry picking unit compositions.

The rule stands.

On January 23 2018 04:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.

An army of T3 for zerg isn't viable, none of them even shoot air outside Parabomb, so you have to use T2.


Right... and a Tier 3 army for Protoss would be an autoloss versus cloaked units because they lack detection... so there is no reason to ever build T3 units right? That is the train of logic you're currently on.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 19:34:27
January 22 2018 19:33 GMT
#337
On January 23 2018 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.

Then give zerg a T3 anti air unit, thanks.

All of the zergs anti air is T2 and can't do shit vs Carrier/Storm/Archon.

So you have to kill them with your T2 army before that or hit a Brood Lord timing.

The way Nerchio outmaneuvered Showtime all game long, I understand his frustration.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
January 22 2018 19:33 GMT
#338
On January 23 2018 04:31 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:27 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.

Still a mass Ultra + X composition loses to tier 2 toss unless the X is broodlords.

You're cherry picking unit compositions.

The rule stands.

Yes I am. You said a composition of tier 3 units should always beat a composition of tier 2 units so I provided an example where that isn't true.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 22 2018 19:34 GMT
#339
Higher tier > lower tier is semi-reductive argument since there isn't even a universally accepted definition of what exactly constitutes a Tier
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 19:35:43
January 22 2018 19:34 GMT
#340
On January 23 2018 04:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 04:31 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:27 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 23 2018 04:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
I think Tier 3 units should beat Tier 2 units.

Ultras should beat Immortals?

There are always exceptions to the rule.

But what I meant was that a composition of Tier 3 units should defeat a composition of Tier 2 units in general, hence the plural. That much should be obvious.

Still a mass Ultra + X composition loses to tier 2 toss unless the X is broodlords.

You're cherry picking unit compositions.

The rule stands.

Yes I am. You said a composition of tier 3 units should always beat a composition of tier 2 units so I provided an example where that isn't true.

Read what I said. I never said always, except that there were always exceptions to the rule. I can win any argument too if I misrepresent what my opponent says.

Your logical fallacy is... strawman! https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
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