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On November 26 2017 20:00 Musicus wrote:
Players should have a value as in FPL and captains only get to spend an X amount of points.
Edit: actually don't do that, just spouting nonsense :D
Why not, could be fun? Who gives the value, Seeker as in FPL? How many points does Seeker give to himself? Does he take into account just skill or also existing beef with the person and ban history? In my case it would be difficult to tell though 
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Australia18228 Posts
Durn would be the only player worth positive points
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On November 26 2017 21:56 Inflicted wrote:
Durn would be the only player worth positive points
Hey now, Musicus went 3-0 this round!
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On November 26 2017 23:02 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 21:56 Inflicted wrote:
Durn would be the only player worth positive points Hey now, Musicus went 3-0 this round!
M U S I C U S
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Although, did I go 3-0 or did my opponents go 0-3?
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Australia18228 Posts
On November 27 2017 01:57 Musicus wrote:
Although, did I go 3-0 or did my opponents go 0-3?
Well you never vsed Luolis so they couldn't have gone 0-3
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On November 26 2017 19:46 opisska wrote:I suggest another round of captains' pick so that I can enjoy the familiar feeling of being picked last again
No one is taking that honor away from me.
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On November 27 2017 05:16 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 19:46 opisska wrote:I suggest another round of captains' pick so that I can enjoy the familiar feeling of being picked last again No one is taking that honor away from me.
Holy shit I forgot you are in this tournament.
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We need to un-kill the league. However I have been told that some people left and in general the interest is dwindling.
I suggest that we do a re-count of people that are actually interested in playing and then see where do we go from there, what do you guys say? Unless a wild Ej appears and tells me to stop mowing his lawn, I also suggests that everyone interested writes it here or PMs me; I'll PM all remaining players tomorrow to get a reply from everyone.
If we find enough people, I guess we could start playing next week? Are there any people physically capable of streaming (sorry, my computer is too shit for that) and willing to do so, since miz seems to have lost interest?
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I can still play LRTL, however I feel like my level is a bit too high so it's not fun for the lower-level opponents (= diamond and below). Maybe we should implement a special rule about that (idk what exactly, maybe use the handicap implemented in SC2 or something).
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On December 10 2017 03:00 Durnuu wrote:
I can still play LRTL, however I feel like my level is a bit too high so it's not fun for the lower-level opponents (= diamond and below). Maybe we should implement a special rule about that (idk what exactly, maybe use the handicap implemented in SC2 or something).
Well, that we have to discuss. I still consider this Ej's league, so if he shows interest, I'll let all decisions on him, if he wants to.
However my personal opinion is that something could be done. I can see possible changes in-game (handicap) and in the way matchups are chosen - which loses the "PL feel" , but could make for more fun games. However that really depends on what teams we get in the end, because if each team had like one master, then it would be boring to have the same matchups every week.
edit: also I am in a rather similar position, but reversed - I am too bad for most of the players to have fun with
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Austria24417 Posts
Can't play before the new year, but afterwards I'd still like to!
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Looks pretty good with already 17 players confirming at least some participation (some people have some time limits, I will also be away over Christmas for example).
This way, I think we can start next round next week, in particular if some more people confirm. We will probably have to change the teams though, probably just letting under-manned teams draft from TotallyNotTheOnlyPeopleWhoReallyCare would suffice, but let's do that after I catch everyone.
However, we desperately need a caster or at least a streamer - I guess the amount of people who can talk into a microphone is endless in the league, but without someone who can actually push video to twitch it is uselss.
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Poll: What map styles do you want to use?Mixture of the above (we'll vote in fun/good legacy maps (6) 46% Current ladder rotation (for standard games) (5) 38% Old school shit (WoL beta-era maps) (2) 15% Weird stuff (current LRTL maps) (0) 0% All-time great maps with reasonable winrates? (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: What map styles do you want to use? (Vote): Old school shit (WoL beta-era maps)
(Vote): Weird stuff (current LRTL maps)
(Vote): Current ladder rotation (for standard games)
(Vote): Mixture of the above (we'll vote in fun/good legacy maps
(Vote): All-time great maps with reasonable winrates?
We need to decide on a map rotation set, please feel free to make your own recommendations and suggestions.
Of note: if we use the all-time all-star maps, the winrates would be based on their patches, not whether they'd play well in LotV.
Poll: How do we handle teams?Redraft (8) 67% Shuffle (4) 33% 12 total votes Your vote: How do we handle teams? (Vote): Redraft
(Vote): Shuffle
What I mean by redraft:
+ Show Spoiler + Top (or bottom) 4 MMR players become captains, draft all teams from scratch. I think the disparity in playing skill between teams is enough to consider this option.
What is meant by shuffle:
+ Show Spoiler + Opisska has a table of rough MMRs of every player, and is willing to shuffle teams to force a relatively even playing field.
the reshuffled would be
statsboys: 31
railgan GM 10
elentos/inf M3 7
seeker D1 6
viper D3 4
phred D3 4
dinosaurs: 29
poopi M1 9
artyk M2 8
golo D2 5
solar424 D2 5
intotheheart P2 2
twice: 30
luolis M1 9
olli 2018 M2 8
kashim/ej D1 6
argonauta D3 6
cricketer G? 1
totally: 31
durn M1 9
inflicted/ele M3 7
Ej/kashim D1 6
musicus D2 5
opisska D3 4
Poll: Playing time?Move each match to a 14-day cycle (8) 67% Move more quickly and keep the 7-day cycle (4) 33% 12 total votes Your vote: Playing time? (Vote): Move each match to a 14-day cycle
(Vote): Move more quickly and keep the 7-day cycle
14-day cycle proposal:
+ Show Spoiler +Captains are given maps immediately, given 3 days to come up with a roster, players are then given a week to play,
and then the caster has 4 days to cast. Then we move on
More efficient 7-day cycle proposal:
+ Show Spoiler +We keep the same 7-day thing, but maps are released right after the stream. Gives everyone a bit more time to play their matches.
Poll: Players playing more than one game?Yes (5) 50% No (5) 50% 10 total votes Your vote: Players playing more than one game? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
What this means:
+ Show Spoiler +A player can be fielded more than once per game, but cannot do this more than once a round. So if ith gets fielded twice (because my captain had a stroke), ith can't do this again this round. Furthermore, ith is not the ace player for that match as well. I would be allowed to be the ace in the next match, if my captain's stroke didn't go away. The spirit of this policy is to let some teams have an easier time fielding players, if too many people are too busy.
Poll: Players Shuffling?Yes (10) 91% No (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Players Shuffling? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
+ Show Spoiler +The captains would be allowed to change players for certain maps depending on the needs of the game. It's often not fun for a player to go up against someone significantly better, and while this would do away with some of the blind picks of the games, it'd also make the league a bit better balanced, so captains can't throw their weakest players under the bus. It would hopefully make games individually better, as the hope is for matches to have a smaller MMR gap between them.
Regardless of shuffle or redraft, all teams have 5 players who said they would be available, so matches are Bo5.
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I would like to add that the rough idea for the "Players Shuffling" rule is that in a match, each captain would get to do one switch of player-for-player in the lineup for the match and only if that decreases the overall MMR gap of the matches (per viper's clever suggestion against abuse).
This is probably the most controversial question of them all, but I have come to this idea after talking with several people, who all expressed the same concern: widely imbalanced matches (D3 vs. M1) are just not fun for anyone, interestingly I heard the same opinion from both sides of the equation.
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For a league with 20 confirmed players, the vote turnout is pretty abyssal!
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Austria24417 Posts
Vote reasonable maps please!
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