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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 26 2017 11:14 GMT
#481
On November 26 2017 20:00 Musicus wrote:
Players should have a value as in FPL and captains only get to spend an X amount of points.

Edit: actually don't do that, just spouting nonsense :D


Why not, could be fun? Who gives the value, Seeker as in FPL? How many points does Seeker give to himself? Does he take into account just skill or also existing beef with the person and ban history? In my case it would be difficult to tell though
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
November 26 2017 12:56 GMT
#482
Durn would be the only player worth positive points
Liquipedia"Expert"
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
November 26 2017 14:02 GMT
#483
On November 26 2017 21:56 Inflicted wrote:
Durn would be the only player worth positive points

Hey now, Musicus went 3-0 this round!
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
November 26 2017 14:25 GMT
#484
On November 26 2017 23:02 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2017 21:56 Inflicted wrote:
Durn would be the only player worth positive points

Hey now, Musicus went 3-0 this round!

M U S I C U S
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
November 26 2017 16:57 GMT
#485
Although, did I go 3-0 or did my opponents go 0-3?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
November 26 2017 18:19 GMT
#486
On November 27 2017 01:57 Musicus wrote:
Although, did I go 3-0 or did my opponents go 0-3?


Well you never vsed Luolis so they couldn't have gone 0-3
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 26 2017 20:16 GMT
#487
On November 26 2017 19:46 opisska wrote:
I suggest another round of captains' pick so that I can enjoy the familiar feeling of being picked last again

No one is taking that honor away from me.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
November 26 2017 20:30 GMT
#488
On November 27 2017 05:16 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2017 19:46 opisska wrote:
I suggest another round of captains' pick so that I can enjoy the familiar feeling of being picked last again

No one is taking that honor away from me.

Holy shit I forgot you are in this tournament.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 09 2017 17:52 GMT
#489
We need to un-kill the league. However I have been told that some people left and in general the interest is dwindling.

I suggest that we do a re-count of people that are actually interested in playing and then see where do we go from there, what do you guys say? Unless a wild Ej appears and tells me to stop mowing his lawn, I also suggests that everyone interested writes it here or PMs me; I'll PM all remaining players tomorrow to get a reply from everyone.

If we find enough people, I guess we could start playing next week? Are there any people physically capable of streaming (sorry, my computer is too shit for that) and willing to do so, since miz seems to have lost interest?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 18:01:00
December 09 2017 18:00 GMT
#490
I can still play LRTL, however I feel like my level is a bit too high so it's not fun for the lower-level opponents (= diamond and below). Maybe we should implement a special rule about that (idk what exactly, maybe use the handicap implemented in SC2 or something).
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 18:07:49
December 09 2017 18:06 GMT
#491
On December 10 2017 03:00 Durnuu wrote:
I can still play LRTL, however I feel like my level is a bit too high so it's not fun for the lower-level opponents (= diamond and below). Maybe we should implement a special rule about that (idk what exactly, maybe use the handicap implemented in SC2 or something).


Well, that we have to discuss. I still consider this Ej's league, so if he shows interest, I'll let all decisions on him, if he wants to.

However my personal opinion is that something could be done. I can see possible changes in-game (handicap) and in the way matchups are chosen - which loses the "PL feel" , but could make for more fun games. However that really depends on what teams we get in the end, because if each team had like one master, then it would be boring to have the same matchups every week.

edit: also I am in a rather similar position, but reversed - I am too bad for most of the players to have fun with
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
December 09 2017 18:14 GMT
#492
I'm ready
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
December 09 2017 20:37 GMT
#493
reporting in
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 09 2017 21:33 GMT
#494
I can still play
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 10 2017 11:38 GMT
#495
Can't play before the new year, but afterwards I'd still like to!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 10 2017 15:08 GMT
#496
Looks pretty good with already 17 players confirming at least some participation (some people have some time limits, I will also be away over Christmas for example).

This way, I think we can start next round next week, in particular if some more people confirm. We will probably have to change the teams though, probably just letting under-manned teams draft from TotallyNotTheOnlyPeopleWhoReallyCare would suffice, but let's do that after I catch everyone.

However, we desperately need a caster or at least a streamer - I guess the amount of people who can talk into a microphone is endless in the league, but without someone who can actually push video to twitch it is uselss.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-10 18:21:18
December 10 2017 17:13 GMT
#497
Poll: What map styles do you want to use?

Mixture of the above (we'll vote in fun/good legacy maps (6)
 
46%

Current ladder rotation (for standard games) (5)
 
38%

Old school shit (WoL beta-era maps) (2)
 
15%

Weird stuff (current LRTL maps) (0)
 
0%

All-time great maps with reasonable winrates? (0)
 
0%

13 total votes

Your vote: What map styles do you want to use?

(Vote): Old school shit (WoL beta-era maps)
(Vote): Weird stuff (current LRTL maps)
(Vote): Current ladder rotation (for standard games)
(Vote): Mixture of the above (we'll vote in fun/good legacy maps
(Vote): All-time great maps with reasonable winrates?



We need to decide on a map rotation set, please feel free to make your own recommendations and suggestions.
Of note: if we use the all-time all-star maps, the winrates would be based on their patches, not whether they'd play well in LotV.

Poll: How do we handle teams?

Redraft (8)
 
67%

Shuffle (4)
 
33%

12 total votes

Your vote: How do we handle teams?

(Vote): Redraft
(Vote): Shuffle



What I mean by redraft:
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Top (or bottom) 4 MMR players become captains, draft all teams from scratch. I think the disparity in playing skill between teams is enough to consider this option.


What is meant by shuffle:
+ Show Spoiler +
Opisska has a table of rough MMRs of every player, and is willing to shuffle teams to force a relatively even playing field.

the reshuffled would be
statsboys: 31
railgan GM 10
elentos/inf M3 7
seeker D1 6
viper D3 4
phred D3 4

dinosaurs: 29
poopi M1 9
artyk M2 8
golo D2 5
solar424 D2 5
intotheheart P2 2

twice: 30
luolis M1 9
olli 2018 M2 8
kashim/ej D1 6
argonauta D3 6
cricketer G? 1


totally: 31
durn M1 9
inflicted/ele M3 7
Ej/kashim D1 6
musicus D2 5
opisska D3 4


Poll: Playing time?

Move each match to a 14-day cycle (8)
 
67%

Move more quickly and keep the 7-day cycle (4)
 
33%

12 total votes

Your vote: Playing time?

(Vote): Move each match to a 14-day cycle
(Vote): Move more quickly and keep the 7-day cycle


14-day cycle proposal:
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Captains are given maps immediately, given 3 days to come up with a roster, players are then given a week to play,
and then the caster has 4 days to cast. Then we move on


More efficient 7-day cycle proposal:
+ Show Spoiler +
We keep the same 7-day thing, but maps are released right after the stream. Gives everyone a bit more time to play their matches.


Poll: Players playing more than one game?

Yes (5)
 
50%

No (5)
 
50%

10 total votes

Your vote: Players playing more than one game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No




What this means:
+ Show Spoiler +
A player can be fielded more than once per game, but cannot do this more than once a round. So if ith gets fielded twice (because my captain had a stroke), ith can't do this again this round. Furthermore, ith is not the ace player for that match as well. I would be allowed to be the ace in the next match, if my captain's stroke didn't go away. The spirit of this policy is to let some teams have an easier time fielding players, if too many people are too busy.


Poll: Players Shuffling?

Yes (10)
 
91%

No (1)
 
9%

11 total votes

Your vote: Players Shuffling?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



+ Show Spoiler +
The captains would be allowed to change players for certain maps depending on the needs of the game. It's often not fun for a player to go up against someone significantly better, and while this would do away with some of the blind picks of the games, it'd also make the league a bit better balanced, so captains can't throw their weakest players under the bus. It would hopefully make games individually better, as the hope is for matches to have a smaller MMR gap between them.


Regardless of shuffle or redraft, all teams have 5 players who said they would be available, so matches are Bo5.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-11 00:41:59
December 10 2017 17:58 GMT
#498
I would like to add that the rough idea for the "Players Shuffling" rule is that in a match, each captain would get to do one switch of player-for-player in the lineup for the match and only if that decreases the overall MMR gap of the matches (per viper's clever suggestion against abuse).

This is probably the most controversial question of them all, but I have come to this idea after talking with several people, who all expressed the same concern: widely imbalanced matches (D3 vs. M1) are just not fun for anyone, interestingly I heard the same opinion from both sides of the equation.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 11 2017 11:18 GMT
#499
For a league with 20 confirmed players, the vote turnout is pretty abyssal!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 11 2017 11:21 GMT
#500
Vote reasonable maps please!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
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