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Aegwynn
Profile Joined September 2015
Italy460 Posts
June 19 2017 16:30 GMT
#681
On June 20 2017 01:21 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 01:18 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:16 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

I understand it with CS GO.
I don't understand it with LoL/DotA
at all...

It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players)


You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant.

lol sc2 is as balanced as it gets.


Not really. Cs involves 2 teams with almost the same resources, and then they swap halves each map to ensure nothing broken can happen.

sc2 has had many stages of imbalance across all races

Sure maybe sc2 may not be 100% perfectly balanced.
But people make the balance of sc2 appear to be much more of a problem than it is. It really is a non-issue when talking about the popularity of the game.


In terms of esports it is an issue though. With csgo anything clearly broken doesn't effect results and both teams get the same stuff. In sc2 if one race is OP we get mass mirror matchups and awful games should players choose the broken strat.

who likes watching blink or adept allins when they killed 90% of terran for example?

Mass mirror matchups happens not because of balance, it happens because of the player pool & brackets.
Balance is also not a decider at all considering view counts. Moba heroes are imbalanced as hell, same vetoes & picks between 20 characters every single game but people still watches it.
I played all three mobas & cs:go in the past, never liked watching it. I think they're all extremely boring. I don't know if there is any other game which is more fun to watch than Sc.
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
June 19 2017 16:30 GMT
#682
On June 20 2017 01:27 Diabolique wrote:
I don't want Serral to win. His talking makes me nervous. He is such a nice guy up to the moment when he starts talking. His voice is very weird.

Go Diego!


What? Are you serious?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
June 19 2017 16:31 GMT
#683
On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

I understand it with CS GO.
I don't understand it with LoL/DotA
at all...

It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players)


You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant.

imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame


Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced

im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr


I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak

And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol

even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era.

Statistically, the worst era was TvP earlier this year at almost 60-40 in favor of terran though. I'd say that was a "serious balance problem"
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 19 2017 16:31 GMT
#684
On June 20 2017 01:30 raff100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 01:27 Diabolique wrote:
I don't want Serral to win. His talking makes me nervous. He is such a nice guy up to the moment when he starts talking. His voice is very weird.

Go Diego!


What? Are you serious?

He talks like a Zerg. Not like a Human.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 19 2017 16:32 GMT
#685
2 aussies calling the zvz seems fitting
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 19 2017 16:33 GMT
#686
Quivering roach warrens of dooooom
Neosteel Enthusiast
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#687
ILLEGAL ROACH SKIN

DISQUALIFY HIM
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#688
skin :c
why even
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#689
Serral, the Unstoppable Force
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#690
On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

I understand it with CS GO.
I don't understand it with LoL/DotA
at all...

It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players)


You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant.

imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame


Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced

im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr


I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak

And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol

even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era.


Why keep people talking about "balance", you are right it is basically a nonissue. What is an actual issue is if the design is actually fun/interesting. Unit interactions are important. It might be "balanced" but that doesn't matter if people think it is not enjoyable.

We talked about csgo for example, what is so nice about coutnerstrike? A big + is that the economy + round structure functions in a way that there is minimal snowballing. So there are lots and lots of ways to come back into a game if you are the better team at that day.
Lots of other things to talk about, but probably doesn't belong here.


Serral is pretty good
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Gurbak
Profile Joined January 2017
France622 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#691
drama?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#692
pay2win
Liquipedia"Expert"
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15982 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#693
Serral is looking so strong right now. I'd like to see how he does against top koreans
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#694
Huh, don't know how much I like that last bit if it was seriously a complaint. =/
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#695
I didn't see the roach skin, it was there?
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#696
Serral, please, do not talk.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#697
On June 20 2017 01:34 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see the roach skin, it was there?

no
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 19 2017 16:35 GMT
#698
On June 20 2017 01:34 Ej_ wrote:
ILLEGAL ROACH SKIN

DISQUALIFY HIM

FIRST AGAIN FIRECAKE

NOW AGAINST ELAZER

THIS KID IS A DISGRACE
why even
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
June 19 2017 16:35 GMT
#699
On June 20 2017 01:34 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see the roach skin, it was there?

nope
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
June 19 2017 16:35 GMT
#700
Mm


iz nais
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
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