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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 19 2017 15:53 GMT
#581
On June 20 2017 00:48 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:46 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


Adepts are stupid, but so are libs and mines...

Major cant warp in 20 supply of mines in your base every cooldown tho


I want to be able to warp banelings
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16098 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 15:54:06
June 19 2017 15:53 GMT
#582
On June 20 2017 00:52 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:49 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:48 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


I think the problem is that in order to do equivalent damage as terran you have to doomdrop, which is allin. If neeb loses the prism they're even, but if it gets into the main then GG unless terran counterattacks

He isn't even if he loses the prism. Losing the prism is a huge blow

is losing 150minerals that big of a deal? 1,5 zealot?

No idea since im not toss.

not the ressource loss but the fact that terran doesn't have to deal with the prism for the next at least 2 minutes is huge.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 19 2017 15:54 GMT
#583
On June 20 2017 00:50 Ludwigvan wrote:
how many viewers did they have yesterday?

Same as today ... 20k+- in all streams together.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 15:55:00
June 19 2017 15:54 GMT
#584
On June 20 2017 00:51 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015

protoss shouldn't be able to harass workers? But terran is allowed to do constant drop harass?


Adept harass will end the game though if not dealt with instantly.

A single prism can warp in 20 supply of adepts at once and kill 30 workers before terran can get back. A single medivac kills a few workers and then dies to overcharge/pheonixes mostly

lol adepts only kill workers and a dispatch of bio could deal with them ez while a missed terran doomdrop kills everything in ur base including all buildings, not all race could fly. not to mention terran has mules.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 19 2017 15:54 GMT
#585
On June 20 2017 00:53 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:48 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:46 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


Adepts are stupid, but so are libs and mines...

Major cant warp in 20 supply of mines in your base every cooldown tho


I want to be able to warp banelings

From under overlords right in your opponent's main?

Sounds good.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 19 2017 15:54 GMT
#586
On June 20 2017 00:52 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:49 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:48 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


I think the problem is that in order to do equivalent damage as terran you have to doomdrop, which is allin. If neeb loses the prism they're even, but if it gets into the main then GG unless terran counterattacks

He isn't even if he loses the prism. Losing the prism is a huge blow

is losing 150minerals that big of a deal? 1,5 zealot?

No idea since im not toss.


The mineral investment of prism is nothing. Its the threat of counterattack keeping terran at home. Otherwise major would mass his forces and snipe the 4th
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 19 2017 15:55 GMT
#587
ok zvz I can do something else for at least one hour
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
June 19 2017 15:55 GMT
#588
On June 20 2017 00:53 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:49 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:48 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


I think the problem is that in order to do equivalent damage as terran you have to doomdrop, which is allin. If neeb loses the prism they're even, but if it gets into the main then GG unless terran counterattacks

He isn't even if he loses the prism. Losing the prism is a huge blow


Not that big a blow tbh. They'd still be about even given neeb was up in supply.

No excuse for a single dropship killing 30 workers so fast. It would take a 3/4 medivac commitment from Major to do equivalent damage. And if he loses that its gg


that's very game specific though. major's proxy didn't really work out too well. if they were even, losing a prism is a big deal and he probably can't afford to warp in that many adepts / has to cut other stuuf to be able to.
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 19 2017 15:56 GMT
#589
On June 20 2017 00:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ok zvz I can do something else for at least one hour

How are you so sure it's not just 15 minutes?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 19 2017 15:56 GMT
#590
I love that the manufacturers of peripherials understand that the greatest invention of our civilization is colorful lights.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 19 2017 15:56 GMT
#591
On June 20 2017 00:56 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ok zvz I can do something else for at least one hour

How are you so sure it's not just 15 minutes?

ads, talking, etc
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 19 2017 15:58 GMT
#592
On June 20 2017 00:54 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:51 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015

protoss shouldn't be able to harass workers? But terran is allowed to do constant drop harass?


Adept harass will end the game though if not dealt with instantly.

A single prism can warp in 20 supply of adepts at once and kill 30 workers before terran can get back. A single medivac kills a few workers and then dies to overcharge/pheonixes mostly

lol adepts only kill workers and a dispatch of bio could deal with them ez while a missed terran doomdrop kills everything in ur base including all buildings, not all race could fly.


You just described it exactly. A terran has to DOOMDROP, aka go ALLIN to do equiv dmg. A single warp prism is like 200 minerals, hardly allin. the risk-reward is too good for protoss not to try warp in 15 adepts in the main. If terran is out of position you kill 30 workers and win, an equivalent single medivac will kill a couple workers and maybe a pylon.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
June 19 2017 15:58 GMT
#593
On June 20 2017 00:48 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:46 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


Adepts are stupid, but so are libs and mines...

Major cant warp in 20 supply of mines in your base every cooldown tho


Because he doesn't proxy enough factories
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 19 2017 15:59 GMT
#594
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13326 Posts
June 19 2017 16:00 GMT
#595
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

People wanna see some 360 noscopes
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 19 2017 16:00 GMT
#596
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

People like to watch games they are interested in.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
June 19 2017 16:00 GMT
#597
On June 20 2017 00:58 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:54 yht9657 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:51 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015

protoss shouldn't be able to harass workers? But terran is allowed to do constant drop harass?


Adept harass will end the game though if not dealt with instantly.

A single prism can warp in 20 supply of adepts at once and kill 30 workers before terran can get back. A single medivac kills a few workers and then dies to overcharge/pheonixes mostly

lol adepts only kill workers and a dispatch of bio could deal with them ez while a missed terran doomdrop kills everything in ur base including all buildings, not all race could fly.


You just described it exactly. A terran has to DOOMDROP, aka go ALLIN to do equiv dmg. A single warp prism is like 200 minerals, hardly allin. the risk-reward is too good for protoss not to try warp in 15 adepts in the main. If terran is out of position you kill 30 workers and win, an equivalent single medivac will kill a couple workers and maybe a pylon.

Uhem, if toss puts 15 gates on cooldown and 40 supply that can't shoot up in your main, go ahead and eliminate him with scv pull.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 19 2017 16:00 GMT
#598
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

More people play CS GO

so more people watch CS GO
Neosteel Enthusiast
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 19 2017 16:00 GMT
#599
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

People like to watch games they also play.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16098 Posts
June 19 2017 16:00 GMT
#600
On June 20 2017 00:58 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:54 yht9657 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:51 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015

protoss shouldn't be able to harass workers? But terran is allowed to do constant drop harass?


Adept harass will end the game though if not dealt with instantly.

A single prism can warp in 20 supply of adepts at once and kill 30 workers before terran can get back. A single medivac kills a few workers and then dies to overcharge/pheonixes mostly

lol adepts only kill workers and a dispatch of bio could deal with them ez while a missed terran doomdrop kills everything in ur base including all buildings, not all race could fly.


You just described it exactly. A terran has to DOOMDROP, aka go ALLIN to do equiv dmg. A single warp prism is like 200 minerals, hardly allin. the risk-reward is too good for protoss not to try warp in 15 adepts in the main. If terran is out of position you kill 30 workers and win, an equivalent single medivac will kill a couple workers and maybe a pylon.

how is a doomdrop allin? you load up medivacs, scan the main, if protoss is in position you don't drop if he's out of position you unload and kill buildings/workers then load in and fly away once the protoss army comes back.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
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