Innovation with maybe his third Starleague championship or Solar with the back to back SSL championship Both great storylines. Storylines worth telling
Solar is smart and creative, but that only takes you so far against The Machine. INnoVation will take some hits but this is a Bo7 so his sheer mechanics will overwhelm Solar in the long run.
I am selling my cheering to the highest bidder. I will:
1) Obnoxiously cheer during the whole game for said player 2) 'Interpret' facts to the benefit of said player 3) meme annoyingly for the benefit of said player (but not annoyingly enough to get banned)
As payment I accept the same back in some future instance of my choosing.
On June 10 2017 18:24 Heartland wrote: I am selling my cheering to the highest bidder. I will:
1) Obnoxiously cheer during the whole game for said player 2) 'Interpret' facts to the benefit of said player 3) meme annoyingly for the benefit of said player (but not annoyingly enough to get banned)
As payment I accept the same back in some future instance of my choosing.
I want you to do all of that for Solar, because it would be hilarious seeing you try as he gets comically outplayed
On June 10 2017 18:24 Heartland wrote: I am selling my cheering to the highest bidder. I will:
1) Obnoxiously cheer during the whole game for said player 2) 'Interpret' facts to the benefit of said player 3) meme annoyingly for the benefit of said player (but not annoyingly enough to get banned)
As payment I accept the same back in some future instance of my choosing.
I want you to do all of that for Solar, because it would be hilarious seeing you try as he gets comically outplayed
On June 10 2017 18:24 Heartland wrote: I am selling my cheering to the highest bidder. I will:
1) Obnoxiously cheer during the whole game for said player 2) 'Interpret' facts to the benefit of said player 3) meme annoyingly for the benefit of said player (but not annoyingly enough to get banned)
As payment I accept the same back in some future instance of my choosing.
I want you to do all of that for Solar, because it would be hilarious seeing you try as he gets comically outplayed
That sounds like a bid! Any other takers?
How do you determine which bid is the highest when you have already set the price?
However if we should talk bidding, I can send you a real bottle of Tropicana in late July if you give me your postal address (provided that I am not stopped from going to Korea by my health)
On June 10 2017 18:24 Heartland wrote: I am selling my cheering to the highest bidder. I will:
1) Obnoxiously cheer during the whole game for said player 2) 'Interpret' facts to the benefit of said player 3) meme annoyingly for the benefit of said player (but not annoyingly enough to get banned)
As payment I accept the same back in some future instance of my choosing.
I want you to do all of that for Solar, because it would be hilarious seeing you try as he gets comically outplayed
That sounds like a bid! Any other takers?
How do you determine which bid is the highest when you have already set the price?
I was thinking that we could tweak the payment, ie, cheer for a longer time, in a more delusional way, etc, etc.
ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
This doesn't work? Did you try to clear your cache?
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
This doesn't work? Did you try to clear your cache?
How do you clear the cache?
It depends on your browser. I don't know which browser you are using.
If you are using Chrome, go to your setting and privacy to clear your cache.
Sorry, I give up. The whole year, I had problems watching SSL. Usually, none of the streams worked for me and I had to go to gaming.youtube and search for a stream there to be able to watch it. Today, even that stream stopped working. I have no problem with watching other youtube videos or anything on twitch.
And I do not have the interest to experiment with anything ... I have literally a keyboard at a computer a few meters from the TV, where I am broadcasting it, so I almost do not see, what is written there.
So I give up. If SSL is so interested that their broadcasts are watched by a minimum number of people, so be it. So I promise, I will never again try watching SSL until they switch to twitch or until they do some changes with the infrastructure. Long live GSL!
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
This doesn't work? Did you try to clear your cache?
How do you clear the cache?
It depends on your browser. I don't know which browser you are using.
If you are using Chrome, go to your setting and privacy to clear your cache.
Sorry, I give up. The whole year, I had problems watching SSL. Usually, none of the streams worked for me and I had to go to gaming.youtube and search for a stream there to be able to watch it. Today, even that stream stopped working. I have no problem with watching other youtube videos or anything on twitch.
And I do not have the interest to experiment with anything ... I have literally a keyboard at a computer a few meters from the TV, where I am broadcasting it, so I almost do not see, what is written there.
So I give up. If SSL is so interested that their broadcasts are watched by a minimum number of people, so be it. So I promise, I will never again try watching SSL until they switch to twitch or until they do some changes with the infrastructure. Long live GSL!
I am pretty sure their youtube streams aren't region-locked. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
This doesn't work? Did you try to clear your cache?
How do you clear the cache?
It depends on your browser. I don't know which browser you are using.
If you are using Chrome, go to your setting and privacy to clear your cache.
Sorry, I give up. The whole year, I had problems watching SSL. Usually, none of the streams worked for me and I had to go to gaming.youtube and search for a stream there to be able to watch it. Today, even that stream stopped working. I have no problem with watching other youtube videos or anything on twitch.
And I do not have the interest to experiment with anything ... I have literally a keyboard at a computer a few meters from the TV, where I am broadcasting it, so I almost do not see, what is written there.
So I give up. If SSL is so interested that their broadcasts are watched by a minimum number of people, so be it. So I promise, I will never again try watching SSL until they switch to twitch or until they do some changes with the infrastructure. Long live GSL!
I am pretty sure their youtube streams aren't region-locked. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I think it is your browser setting.
If it were region-locked he'd probably see something like "not available in your region"
On June 10 2017 20:03 Diabolique wrote: ENOUGH! Now, none of the streams works for me, it is only saying, none of the streams recognized ... so I cannot watch it. Stupid SSL and their decision to broadcast it only for 1k viewers.
Does YouTube also not work for you?
YouTube works fine for me. Except the SSL streams.
This doesn't work? Did you try to clear your cache?
How do you clear the cache?
It depends on your browser. I don't know which browser you are using.
If you are using Chrome, go to your setting and privacy to clear your cache.
Sorry, I give up. The whole year, I had problems watching SSL. Usually, none of the streams worked for me and I had to go to gaming.youtube and search for a stream there to be able to watch it. Today, even that stream stopped working. I have no problem with watching other youtube videos or anything on twitch.
And I do not have the interest to experiment with anything ... I have literally a keyboard at a computer a few meters from the TV, where I am broadcasting it, so I almost do not see, what is written there.
So I give up. If SSL is so interested that their broadcasts are watched by a minimum number of people, so be it. So I promise, I will never again try watching SSL until they switch to twitch or until they do some changes with the infrastructure. Long live GSL!
I am pretty sure their youtube streams aren't region-locked. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I think it is your browser settings.
Yeah, maybe just try on a new browser, so Chrome, Mozilla or whatever.
Making lots of mutas seems like a really, really bad idea against Inno. Every time I see it with ByuL and now with Solar the Zerg just immediately dies to the next push.
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations become the standard.
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard.
But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor.
Though it must be said that Inno can be a lot more unpredictable than people like to give him credit for. His planning is excellent and he does well in series with lots of prep time. It's in-game on-the-fly sort of stuff that he struggles with.
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard.
But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor.
For a lot of them there's no evidence that they weren't his builds. They were created in team houses after all, which makes it impossible to say if it was him who came up with a build, or if he perfected something a B-teamer came up with.
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard.
But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor.
For a lot of them there's no evidence that they weren't his builds. They were created in team houses after all, which makes it impossible to say if it was him who came up with a build, or if he perfected something a B-teamer came up with.
Well by that logic can we really say anyone invents any build? It could just be that their no-name friend came up with the BO and they are merely the first executing it on TV.
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard.
But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor.
On top of my head: he made drilling claws rush vs Protoss, +1 armor mech timing vs Terran, hellion/banshee with 2 ravens vs Zerg, modern (LotV timing) hellbat banshee with both bio and mech followups, 2fact cyclone/hellion vs Zerg before 3.8 and after 3.8, mass cyclone vs Protoss
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard.
But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor.
For a lot of them there's no evidence that they weren't his builds. They were created in team houses after all, which makes it impossible to say if it was him who came up with a build, or if he perfected something a B-teamer came up with.
Well by that logic can we really say anyone invents any build? It could just be that their no-name friend came up with the BO and they are merely the first executing it on TV.
Probably not. But popularizing a build to the point where everyone copies it after you did it a few times because you made it look so strong is an achievement in itself.
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard.
But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor.
On top of my head: he made drilling claws rush vs Protoss, +1 armor mech timing vs Terran, hellion/banshee with 2 ravens vs Zerg, modern (LotV timing) hellbat banshee with both bio and mech followups, 2fact cyclone/hellion vs Zerg before 3.8 and after 3.8, mass cyclone vs Protoss
Hmm, that's more than I thought but I do remember him using all of those builds pretty extensively.
Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything
The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard.
But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor.
Though it must be said that Inno can be a lot more unpredictable than people like to give him credit for. His planning is excellent and he does well in series with lots of prep time. It's in-game on-the-fly sort of stuff that he struggles with.
Who is the inventor? The first player who tries a build on ladder? On a televised game? In a private teamhouse game? Hard to define, pointless to argue.
Whoever popularises a build - that's what matters more, and that's what Inno does well.
Inventor or innovator - call it whatever you want.
So yeah Inno has won at least one premier championship every year since 2013: 2013: WCS Season 1 2014: GSL Season 3 2015: GSL Season 3 2016: IEM Gyeonggi (just barely and technically in WCS 2017) 2017: SSL Season 1
On June 10 2017 21:28 pvsnp wrote: So yeah Inno has won at least one premier championship every year since 2013: 2013: WCS Season 1 2014: GSL Season 3 2015: GSL Season 3 2016: IEM Gyeonggi (just barely and technically in WCS 2017) 2017: SSL Season 1
On June 10 2017 21:47 Liquid`Snute wrote: lots of zerg defense failure and some weird z build design in this series. but hydra ling bane on frost was cool
Snute not impressed by Solar's continuation of the 0 Zerg championship streak
On June 10 2017 21:55 DieuCure wrote: INnoVation vs Byul would have been way way better
We sure about that? ByuL and finals don't go well together. And sure ByuL looked way better in the Round Robin against INno than Solar did today. But so did Solar.
I had to do some work and because powerpoint is the most stupid software in existence (seriously, no text wrapping around images in 2017?!), it took me much longer than expected and I missed it.
So, did Heartland cheer with endless unfounded bias for Solar or not?
On June 10 2017 23:07 opisska wrote: I had to do some work and because powerpoint is the most stupid software in existence (seriously, no text wrapping around images in 2017?!), it took me much longer than expected and I missed it.
So, did Heartland cheer with endless unfounded bias for Solar or not?
I was quite weak, sorry. I just didn't have it in me.
It was more like Innovation beat himself in that series...
I don't know how you can count wins vs soo and byul and not count the loss to soulkey.
I think he was referring to the present day, that no Zerg could have beaten INnoVation in SSL Season 1 Finals, whether it be soO or ByuL or Dark, etc.
Soulkey wasn't included because he's busy with BW.
You are right, but stuchiu means that "it was more like innovation beat himself in that series" could be said about soO and Byul in their series.
Personally i think all that matters are the results. Meaning that the idea of "innovation only wins vs kongs" is just a funny narrative and not a real explanation for things. I obviously still think that nerves can affect the outcome of matches.
It was more like Innovation beat himself in that series...
I don't know how you can count wins vs soo and byul and not count the loss to soulkey.
come on man, you gotta admit that whenever Innovation won a finals, he made his opponents look hopeless: 4-0 vs SOS in WCS Final, 4-2 in GSL final and 4-1 in IEM final vs Soo, 4-2 in GSL final vs ByuL, 4-0 in IEM final vs Stats and 4-1 in SSL final vs Solar, i mean they were all completely hopeless that made those series look boring. Even in the only final Inno lost that was against Soulkey, he also dominated the first 3 games then thrown away his win, everyone could see that.
It was more like Innovation beat himself in that series...
I don't know how you can count wins vs soo and byul and not count the loss to soulkey.
come on man, you gotta admit that whenever Innovation won a finals, he made his opponents look hopeless: 4-0 vs SOS in WCS Final, 4-2 in GSL final and 4-1 in IEM final vs Soo, 4-2 in GSL final vs ByuL, 4-0 in IEM final vs Stats and 4-1 in SSL final vs Solar, i mean they were all completely hopeless that made those series look boring. Even in the only final Inno lost that was against Soulkey, he also dominated the first 3 games then thrown away his win, everyone could see that.
And then there was the 0-3 loss against TaeJa at DH..
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