On May 31 2017 21:34 Elentos wrote: Please no full mirror Ro8, group D pls
Full mirror ro8 would be amazing. Guarantees no mirror final and the hype of "best terran" vs "best protoss/zerg".
Except all mirrors are horrible.
Mirrors allow you to crown a "king" of each race. Only become horrible when the metas are bad (leading to rng wins). In gsl ro8 they will be playing their absolute best.
What
For example, having a TvT upper bracket allows the hype of saying whoever gets to the final is the best terran (e.g. ty at iem).
That's dumb. It only makes the person the best at their mirror (out of the available competition), not the best of their race.
And Classic vs Stats was horrible in the group stage, so sure they can have a horrible match.
It's called hype, its not always accurate but it works
I prefer when we get hyped without lying to ourselves.
On May 31 2017 21:34 MarianoSC2 wrote: Rogue should learn ZvT from the EU Zergs. If he does that he will be unstoppable. All the korean Zergs should in fact
Yh those EU zergs with their one terran they ever to play against. Experts in the matchup
Well they certainly are more expert than those koreans keep going at the terrans with bane/ling when they have so much more powerful units in their arsenal (rhavager/infestor into ultra and blord if needed). Korean Zergs have the skill and all but are just awful at ZvT lets just finally admit it
No they aren't. They just have to play people like ty, inno, byun, maru, alive etc. The only eu terran worth mentioning is uthermal. Even keen, ryung, gumiho etc are far above any EU terran.
At wesg Maru either 2-0'd or 3-0'd every foreigner he met. And he's considered slumping by korean standards (and everyone on here)
Yeah I see the point and I agree with uthermal being the only terran that could be considered top EU but there are a lot of mediocre zergs getting the best of not only uthermal but heromarine, sould maybe... Korean Zergs >>> EU Zergs and if they started playing the "right way" against those korean terrans they would find much more success. Instead they are sticking to the style they are most familiar with which is dumb because they are not using those current Zerg strenghts at all in the matchup. They are great players, just not at ZvT and its their own fault.
The "right way" may not be enough though. Unless the EU zergs can beat Korean terrans, I can't justify the same builds working. The eu terrans do not have the macro or control that kr players do. Not even close
I mean we saw Solar destroy maru at super cup with infestors and roaches iirc, only to get equally rekt by alive.
On May 31 2017 21:34 Elentos wrote: Please no full mirror Ro8, group D pls
Full mirror ro8 would be amazing. Guarantees no mirror final and the hype of "best terran" vs "best protoss/zerg".
Except all mirrors are horrible.
Mirrors allow you to crown a "king" of each race. Only become horrible when the metas are bad (leading to rng wins). In gsl ro8 they will be playing their absolute best.
What
For example, having a TvT upper bracket allows the hype of saying whoever gets to the final is the best terran (e.g. ty at iem).
That's dumb. It only makes the person the best at their mirror (out of the available competition), not the best of their race.
And Classic vs Stats was horrible in the group stage, so sure they can have a horrible match.
It's called hype, its not always accurate but it works
I prefer when we get hyped without lying to ourselves.
Are you really not hyped about having the winner of the best zvz play the best pvper? and then the terran champion in the final?
Plus it guarantees no mirror final. Always a good thing
On May 31 2017 21:34 MarianoSC2 wrote: Rogue should learn ZvT from the EU Zergs. If he does that he will be unstoppable. All the korean Zergs should in fact
Yh those EU zergs with their one terran they ever to play against. Experts in the matchup
Well they certainly are more expert than those koreans keep going at the terrans with bane/ling when they have so much more powerful units in their arsenal (rhavager/infestor into ultra and blord if needed). Korean Zergs have the skill and all but are just awful at ZvT lets just finally admit it
No they aren't. They just have to play people like ty, inno, byun, maru, alive etc. The only eu terran worth mentioning is uthermal. Even keen, ryung, gumiho etc are far above any EU terran.
At wesg Maru either 2-0'd or 3-0'd every foreigner he met. And he's considered slumping by korean standards (and everyone on here)
Yeah I see the point and I agree with uthermal being the only terran that could be considered top EU but there are a lot of mediocre zergs getting the best of not only uthermal but heromarine, sould maybe... Korean Zergs >>> EU Zergs and if they started playing the "right way" against those korean terrans they would find much more success. Instead they are sticking to the style they are most familiar with which is dumb because they are not using those current Zerg strenghts at all in the matchup. They are great players, just not at ZvT and its their own fault.
The "right way" may not be enough though. Unless the EU zergs can beat Korean terrans, I can't justify the same builds working. The eu terrans do not have the macro or control that kr players do. Not even close
I mean we saw Solar destroy maru at super cup with infestors and roaches iirc, only to get equally rekt by alive.
Nah the EU Zergs will never regularly beat Korean terrans, thats not about style... the skill gap is too big there. I have seen Nerchio kick some korean terran ass online but that was because they were not used to EU zerg style and they were not prepared at all. I am only comparing EU zerg vs EU terran and Korea Zerg vs Korean Terran. Imagine that EU zergs would go bling muta against uthernal lets say the only EU top terran. Top terran can easily counter that with his superior bio micro... not saying thermy would have 100 percent winrate but he would oh so happy going up against this style believe me. Its the same in korea only the Korean zergs are actually playing into korean terran strenghts by sticking to these senseless builds :/
On May 31 2017 21:34 Elentos wrote: Please no full mirror Ro8, group D pls
Full mirror ro8 would be amazing. Guarantees no mirror final and the hype of "best terran" vs "best protoss/zerg".
Except all mirrors are horrible.
Mirrors allow you to crown a "king" of each race. Only become horrible when the metas are bad (leading to rng wins). In gsl ro8 they will be playing their absolute best.
What
For example, having a TvT upper bracket allows the hype of saying whoever gets to the final is the best terran (e.g. ty at iem).
That's dumb. It only makes the person the best at their mirror (out of the available competition), not the best of their race.
And Classic vs Stats was horrible in the group stage, so sure they can have a horrible match.
It's called hype, its not always accurate but it works
I prefer when we get hyped without lying to ourselves.
Are you really not hyped about having the winner of the best zvz play the best pvper? and then the terran champion in the final?
Not by default, no. Depends on which players it turn out to be.
On May 31 2017 21:34 MarianoSC2 wrote: Rogue should learn ZvT from the EU Zergs. If he does that he will be unstoppable. All the korean Zergs should in fact
Yh those EU zergs with their one terran they ever to play against. Experts in the matchup
Well they certainly are more expert than those koreans keep going at the terrans with bane/ling when they have so much more powerful units in their arsenal (rhavager/infestor into ultra and blord if needed). Korean Zergs have the skill and all but are just awful at ZvT lets just finally admit it
No they aren't. They just have to play people like ty, inno, byun, maru, alive etc. The only eu terran worth mentioning is uthermal. Even keen, ryung, gumiho etc are far above any EU terran.
At wesg Maru either 2-0'd or 3-0'd every foreigner he met. And he's considered slumping by korean standards (and everyone on here)
Yeah I see the point and I agree with uthermal being the only terran that could be considered top EU but there are a lot of mediocre zergs getting the best of not only uthermal but heromarine, sould maybe... Korean Zergs >>> EU Zergs and if they started playing the "right way" against those korean terrans they would find much more success. Instead they are sticking to the style they are most familiar with which is dumb because they are not using those current Zerg strenghts at all in the matchup. They are great players, just not at ZvT and its their own fault.
The "right way" may not be enough though. Unless the EU zergs can beat Korean terrans, I can't justify the same builds working. The eu terrans do not have the macro or control that kr players do. Not even close
I mean we saw Solar destroy maru at super cup with infestors and roaches iirc, only to get equally rekt by alive.
Nah the EU Zergs will never regularly beat Korean terrans, thats not about style... the skill gap is too big there. I have seen Nerchio kick some korean terran ass online but that was because they were not used to EU zerg style and they were not prepared at all. I am only comparing EU zerg vs EU terran and Korea Zerg vs Korean Terran. Imagine that EU zergs would go bling muta against uthernal lets say the only EU top terran. Top terran can easily counter that with his superior bio micro... not saying thermy would have 100 percent winrate but he would oh so happy going up against this style believe me. Its the same in korea only the Korean zergs are actually playing into korean terran strenghts by sticking to these senseless builds :/
Serral plays a lot of LBM and from watching streams uthermal and heromarine don't seem to win often vs him. It's a stylistic thing I don't think one playstyle is superior over the other.
On May 31 2017 21:34 MarianoSC2 wrote: Rogue should learn ZvT from the EU Zergs. If he does that he will be unstoppable. All the korean Zergs should in fact
Yh those EU zergs with their one terran they ever to play against. Experts in the matchup
Well they certainly are more expert than those koreans keep going at the terrans with bane/ling when they have so much more powerful units in their arsenal (rhavager/infestor into ultra and blord if needed). Korean Zergs have the skill and all but are just awful at ZvT lets just finally admit it
No they aren't. They just have to play people like ty, inno, byun, maru, alive etc. The only eu terran worth mentioning is uthermal. Even keen, ryung, gumiho etc are far above any EU terran.
At wesg Maru either 2-0'd or 3-0'd every foreigner he met. And he's considered slumping by korean standards (and everyone on here)
Yeah I see the point and I agree with uthermal being the only terran that could be considered top EU but there are a lot of mediocre zergs getting the best of not only uthermal but heromarine, sould maybe... Korean Zergs >>> EU Zergs and if they started playing the "right way" against those korean terrans they would find much more success. Instead they are sticking to the style they are most familiar with which is dumb because they are not using those current Zerg strenghts at all in the matchup. They are great players, just not at ZvT and its their own fault.
The "right way" may not be enough though. Unless the EU zergs can beat Korean terrans, I can't justify the same builds working. The eu terrans do not have the macro or control that kr players do. Not even close
I mean we saw Solar destroy maru at super cup with infestors and roaches iirc, only to get equally rekt by alive.
Nah the EU Zergs will never regularly beat Korean terrans, thats not about style... the skill gap is too big there. I have seen Nerchio kick some korean terran ass online but that was because they were not used to EU zerg style and they were not prepared at all. I am only comparing EU zerg vs EU terran and Korea Zerg vs Korean Terran. Imagine that EU zergs would go bling muta against uthernal lets say the only EU top terran. Top terran can easily counter that with his superior bio micro... not saying thermy would have 100 percent winrate but he would oh so happy going up against this style believe me. Its the same in korea only the Korean zergs are actually playing into korean terran strenghts by sticking to these senseless builds :/
Whats the sample size on this. I haven't seen dark, soo, byul, or solar constantly losing to terrans as far as I know. In race wars terran and zerg were almost equal against eachother (terran winning 1 extra map I believe).
Also, comparing "eu zerg vs eu terran" to "kr zerg vs kr terran" isn't exactly fair. Eu terran is very weak due to a lack of decent players (in comparison to eu zerg). Not necessarily playstyle. Whereas top kr terrans outnumber the kr zergs right now I bet. Eu zerg will always dominate eu terran until they get better.
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