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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28532 Posts
May 29 2017 10:42 GMT
#41
Anyone else having problems with the stream btw?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-29 10:46:13
May 29 2017 10:43 GMT
#42
On May 29 2017 19:42 Penev wrote:
Anyone else having problems with the stream btw?

Just watch John's stream and don't be lied to about the game's state constantly
https://www.twitch.tv/johnsc2
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
May 29 2017 10:44 GMT
#43
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 29 2017 10:47 GMT
#44
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)


I don't understand why the game should necessarily revolve around tiers of units. The current progression from bio through medivacs to ghosts and liberators is fine. It's not needed for every race to be forced to wait for a lot of tech buildings to be good.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28532 Posts
May 29 2017 11:02 GMT
#45
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Zerg has the ling bane muta option but isn't limited to it. Plus you can (have to) transition out of it. Protoss the same really, even with adepts
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
May 29 2017 11:05 GMT
#46
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 29 2017 11:05 GMT
#47
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support

mothership core + support
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 29 2017 11:06 GMT
#48
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


and everyone hated that
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
May 29 2017 11:07 GMT
#49
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


Now they're pylons + adepts. Hmm.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
May 29 2017 11:08 GMT
#50
On May 29 2017 20:06 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


and everyone hated that

I didn't
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
May 29 2017 11:11 GMT
#51
did they just say 30 minute break?..........
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
May 29 2017 11:12 GMT
#52
On May 29 2017 20:05 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support

mothership core + support

Pylons + support
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28532 Posts
May 29 2017 11:13 GMT
#53
On May 29 2017 20:06 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


and everyone hated that

Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi

You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning
I Protoss winner, could it be?
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
May 29 2017 11:14 GMT
#54
On May 29 2017 20:11 Charoisaur wrote:
did they just say 30 minute break?..........

yup.
queue some ladder games!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
May 29 2017 11:16 GMT
#55
On May 29 2017 20:13 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 20:06 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


and everyone hated that

Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi

You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning

In HotS I'd agree but now terran has to transition into Ghost/liberator in lategame.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 29 2017 11:17 GMT
#56
On May 29 2017 20:13 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 20:06 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


and everyone hated that

Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi

You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning


It's StarCraft not Civilization, the game isn't about unlocking killer tech and that's a good thing. TvT is super varied, TvZ has two main paths but with varied openings. Sure TvP is rubbish to watch, but that's a problem not on the T side.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28532 Posts
May 29 2017 11:22 GMT
#57
On May 29 2017 20:17 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 20:13 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 20:06 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


and everyone hated that

Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi

You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning


It's StarCraft not Civilization, the game isn't about unlocking killer tech and that's a good thing. TvT is super varied, TvZ has two main paths but with varied openings. Sure TvP is rubbish to watch, but that's a problem not on the T side.

you say that as if civilization isn't a professionally played game :p

Look, I obviously still like SC2 or I wouldn't be here but I always thought bio is too strong and in imo limiting terran options

I for one would like to see terran having to transition out of bio balls
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-29 11:28:34
May 29 2017 11:26 GMT
#58
On May 29 2017 20:22 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2017 20:17 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 20:13 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 20:06 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote:
On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote:
one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky


What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun.

I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball

Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech)

isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech?

Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support


and everyone hated that

Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi

You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning


It's StarCraft not Civilization, the game isn't about unlocking killer tech and that's a good thing. TvT is super varied, TvZ has two main paths but with varied openings. Sure TvP is rubbish to watch, but that's a problem not on the T side.

you say that as if civilization isn't a professionally played game :p

Look, I obviously still like SC2 or I wouldn't be here but I always thought bio is too strong and in imo limiting terran options

I for one would like to see terran having to transition out of bio balls

Somebody bring back Fantasy and his sexy bio into mech build
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
May 29 2017 11:27 GMT
#59
What we really need is a Civilization mod with only Adepts
Liquipedia"Expert"
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
May 29 2017 11:31 GMT
#60
Poor INno, getting bullied like that.
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