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Pandemona
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FrostedMiniWheats
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 Stats 2-3  SolarI know he lost to Trap recently, but ever since his rise in 2014 I've felt Solar is one of the few to really distinguish themselves in ZvP as one of the best. Think he narrowly takes it. | ||
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Elentos
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 Also guys they'll be starting the day with the SSL Classic playoffs (Brood War) before going into SC2, keep that in mind. | ||
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Elentos
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On May 29 2017 16:31 Kammalleri wrote: Where can I find SSL's vods in english? On this channel. | ||
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Penev
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But I'm not confident in this decision at all I might have to go all out on my jinxing during the series | ||
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spir00
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Elentos
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On May 29 2017 18:23 spir00 wrote: Does SC2 or BW come first? The answer is in this thread already | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 18:23 spir00 wrote: .Does SC2 or BW come first? BW comes first, however that's usually nothing to boast about. | ||
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Durnuu
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On youtube gaming for Diabolique : + Show Spoiler + https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPKWqAojxQ | ||
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Ej_
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Stats 3-1 | ||
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Charoisaur
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wow | ||
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Elentos
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On May 29 2017 18:56 Ej_ wrote: Stats is in god-like form vs Z Stats 3-1 You mean he perfected his 100/100 charge timings? :O | ||
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Heartland
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Elentos
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On May 29 2017 19:12 Heartland wrote: Why am I watching random BW? They're putting the playoffs for the SC2 and BW portions together for SSL. BW matches first, then SC2 later. | ||
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S I C K | ||
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Heartland
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On May 29 2017 19:14 highsis wrote: Why even BW? I woke at 3 am for this and I feel tricked To be fair, it's like thinking the cat did it's business on your pie but then realizing that it's an extra large blackberry instead. | ||
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On May 29 2017 19:16 Heartland wrote: To be fair, it's like thinking the cat did it's business on your pie but then realizing that it's an extra large blackberry instead. .... What? | ||
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Heartland
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It's like a reverse of a joke that Black Adder does | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 19:17 Heartland wrote: Migrate: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/523331-ssl-classic-s1-mind-vs-soulkey yes, let's complain on the BW forum that there's bw played first  | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 19:18 Heartland wrote: Everything Blackadder does is a reverse of a joke that's what makes it funnyIt's like a reverse of a joke that Black Adder does | ||
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Heartland
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On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote: one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky Grounds beams > sky beams? | ||
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Elentos
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On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote: one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky By now there are so many things in SC2 that make ground medics a bad idea. | ||
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Penev
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yes not balance wise ofc but I dislike medivacs and how they work | ||
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Phredxor
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On May 29 2017 19:31 Penev wrote: yes not balance wise ofc but I dislike medivacs and how they work You should make a club with Viper. | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote: one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 19:27 Penev wrote: one of the things bw does better: bio medics instead of beams coming from the sky but BW is missing adepts so it's not as good as sc2. I only play a game with adepts in it. | ||
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Penev
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On May 29 2017 19:36 opisska wrote: What makes it better? The inherent extra mobility of terran due to them accidentally always having dropships around is quite fun. I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech) | ||
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On May 29 2017 19:42 Penev wrote: Anyone else having problems with the stream btw? Just watch John's stream and don't be lied to about the game's state constantly https://www.twitch.tv/johnsc2 | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote: I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech) isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech? | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 19:41 Penev wrote: I have a problem with bio in SC2, I don't like that the race masses low tier units and only builds tech to support the low tier ball Instead of the other way around (low tier units supporting higher tier tech) I don't understand why the game should necessarily revolve around tiers of units. The current progression from bio through medivacs to ghosts and liberators is fine. It's not needed for every race to be forced to wait for a lot of tech buildings to be good. | ||
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Penev
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On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote: isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech? Zerg has the ling bane muta option but isn't limited to it. Plus you can (have to) transition out of it. Protoss the same really, even with adepts | ||
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Durnuu
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On May 29 2017 19:44 Charoisaur wrote: isn't it the same with the other races? Ling bane + high tech? Mass adepts + high tech? Protoss used to be (mostly) Colossus + support | ||
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Ej_
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mothership core + support | ||
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opisska
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and everyone hated that | ||
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Phredxor
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Now they're pylons + adepts. Hmm. | ||
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Durnuu
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I didn't | ||
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Charoisaur
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Pylons + support | ||
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Penev
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Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning | ||
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sparklyresidue
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On May 29 2017 20:11 Charoisaur wrote: did they just say 30 minute break?.......... yup. queue some ladder games! | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 20:13 Penev wrote: Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning In HotS I'd agree but now terran has to transition into Ghost/liberator in lategame. | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 20:13 Penev wrote: Protoss still uses lower tier to protect higher tier and not just Colossi You don't have to agree obviously but in my opinion Terran is a bit boring in regard of teching up and transitioning It's StarCraft not Civilization, the game isn't about unlocking killer tech and that's a good thing. TvT is super varied, TvZ has two main paths but with varied openings. Sure TvP is rubbish to watch, but that's a problem not on the T side. | ||
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Penev
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On May 29 2017 20:17 opisska wrote: It's StarCraft not Civilization, the game isn't about unlocking killer tech and that's a good thing. TvT is super varied, TvZ has two main paths but with varied openings. Sure TvP is rubbish to watch, but that's a problem not on the T side. you say that as if civilization isn't a professionally played game :p Look, I obviously still like SC2 or I wouldn't be here but I always thought bio is too strong and in imo limiting terran options I for one would like to see terran having to transition out of bio balls | ||
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Durnuu
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On May 29 2017 20:22 Penev wrote: you say that as if civilization isn't a professionally played game :p Look, I obviously still like SC2 or I wouldn't be here but I always thought bio is too strong and in imo limiting terran options I for one would like to see terran having to transition out of bio balls Somebody bring back Fantasy and his sexy bio into mech build | ||
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Durnuu
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Penev
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D: | ||
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AlexGPunkt
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Which hot did she mean? | ||
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Nyarly
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brilliant | ||
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Penev
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time for Stats to disappoint | ||
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Penev
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I'm worried | ||
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Penev
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it's not mass adept :D | ||
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On May 29 2017 21:13 Elentos wrote: This is gonna be a 3-0 for Solar, Stats is just not bringing his A-game. yeah looks like it | ||
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Durnuu
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On May 29 2017 21:18 Charoisaur wrote: hopefully we'll see some jaedong muta micro Don't think he needs it at this point | ||
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Vanadiel
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On May 29 2017 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote: well actually we're in throwable range now I don't see how Stats could ever broke Solar though. | ||
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e: almost protossed | ||
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Durnuu
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On May 29 2017 21:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: did he lose the obs ? yes | ||
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Musicus
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I was getting food, what happened? Man I thought I would finally see a zerg winning with Lurker play again. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 21:27 Musicus wrote: What? Solar lost? I was getting food, what happened? Man I thought I would finally see a zerg winning with Lurker play again. he won | ||
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On May 29 2017 21:27 Musicus wrote: What? Solar lost? I was getting food, what happened? Man I thought I would finally see a zerg winning with Lurker play again. he barely won after sniping the last obs | ||
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Penev
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On May 29 2017 21:27 Elentos wrote: Stats was like 1 revelation away from winning. That's insane. so close after being so behind | ||
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Musicus
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Thank god, I just saw "protossed" and "in throwable range" earlier. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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I think the last fight looked that silly because Solar was actually actively focusing on getting the obs Ofc storm archon immo is still insane | ||
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Musicus
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On May 29 2017 21:29 Musicus wrote: Thank god, I just saw "protossed" and "in throwable range" earlier. Okay, wow, that seemed so over :D | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 21:27 Elentos wrote: Stats was like 1 revelation away from winning. That's insane. maybe if he had built his stargate in his main instead of proxying it he could've made an oracle | ||
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On May 29 2017 21:30 opisska wrote: Observers could use a bit more health. With how quickly everything deals damage in SC2, I don't think there is a good argument to keep obs so fragile. oh yeah, oracle giving literally maphack for 60s isn't enough reliable detection | ||
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Elentos
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On May 29 2017 21:29 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think the last fight looked that silly because Solar was actually actively focusing on getting the obs Ofc storm archon immo is still insane Imagine if he didn't have those 2 corruptors that he couldn't afford to morph into BLs | ||
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Durnuu
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On May 29 2017 21:31 Ej_ wrote: oh yeah, oracle giving literally maphack for 60s isn't enough reliable detection Well, it wouldn't be a bad thing to nerf the oracle at the same time | ||
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EatingBomber
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On May 29 2017 21:31 [PkF] Wire wrote: With hindsight the muta switch looked cool but I wonder if it was actually a wise move. Just getting a faster infestation pit and a quicker transition to BLs would probably have done the job much easier. I think the distraction they provided was excellent, I believe Stats could have rolled Solar's ground army pretty easily | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On May 29 2017 21:32 EatingBomber wrote: I think the distraction they provided was excellent, I believe Stats could have rolled Solar's ground army pretty easily I kinda agree but spending 2000/2000 was over the top. He could have done the same distractions with a few less mutas. | ||
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EatingBomber
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On May 29 2017 21:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: I kinda agree but spending 2000/2000 was over the top. He could have done the same distractions with a few less mutas. Yeah but Solar's mutalisk control was weak | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 21:32 Durnuu wrote: Well, it wouldn't be a bad thing to nerf the oracle at the same time but how much do you have to buff observer health so it doesn't instantly die to hydras? | ||
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On May 29 2017 21:35 Charoisaur wrote: but how much do you have to buff observer health so it doesn't instantly die to hydras? A crap ton. I think it got sniped by the mutas there though to be fair. | ||
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On May 29 2017 21:43 Ingvar wrote: SSL mappool is so boring. Why do they have to play on the same maps for years? because other maps suck dick | ||
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Charoisaur
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abyssal, odyssey and ascension to aiur are good. Even I as a huge advocate for having standard maps am bored of seeing the same old maps over and over again. | ||
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Durnuu
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On May 29 2017 21:46 Charoisaur wrote: abyssal, odyssey and ascension to aiur are good. Even I as a huge advocate for having standard maps am bored of seeing the same old maps over and over again. I'd complain about them being so fucking big, but it's not like Newkirk is any better | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Haha indeed. Hopefully stats wins this game so we get the decider | ||
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Penev
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On May 29 2017 21:51 The_Red_Viper wrote: Haha indeed. Hopefully stats wins this game so we get the decider hey fellow medivac hater | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 21:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: The hellmuffin is a helluva drug As is the F2 apparently. Shame on you Solar. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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<3 On May 29 2017 21:53 Ej_ wrote: Stats making SH look useless. Maybe they play on avilo's map | ||
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On May 29 2017 21:55 opisska wrote: Solar should probably practice a little in controling the locusts before he builds any more SHs in an official match It's actually pretty hard to properly target everything with locusts as you can't hotkey them obviously so it's an awkward game of boxing your own army and splitting off the non-locusts. Then the locust AI is also another opponent and Protoss can always walk away. | ||
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Pandemona
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On May 29 2017 21:58 Pandemona wrote: Was that close to perfect from Stats or was it more Solar mistakes? His only "mistake" entire game was having the archons blocked off by his own buildings when defending 3rd nexus from locusts. Otherwise perfect game. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On May 29 2017 21:57 Ej_ wrote: It's actually pretty hard to properly target everything with locusts as you can't hotkey them obviously so it's an awkward game of boxing your own army and splitting off the non-locusts. Then the locust AI is also another opponent and Protoss can always walk away. There is a reason doubleclick exists | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 21:57 Ej_ wrote: It's actually pretty hard to properly target everything with locusts as you can't hotkey them obviously so it's an awkward game of boxing your own army and splitting off the non-locusts. Then the locust AI is also another opponent and Protoss can always walk away. You can't hotkey them at all? Why is that? But you can ctrl-click them anyway, can't you? He had them just floating around so many times, that's the one thing you can't really let happen when you have 15+ SHs and they make the main force of your army. | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:00 opisska wrote: I came after the 2nd game and after seeing games 3 and 4, I can't even believe that Solar won the first the games. First 2 games Stats played aggressive and killed himself. | ||
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Durnuu
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Control + click master race | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Ok that's probably true, something i should fix in my play | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 22:04 [PkF] Wire wrote: ok go Frost This map makes me wanna vomit. It's only slightly less repulsive than KSS. | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:05 opisska wrote: This map makes me wanna vomit. It's only slightly less repulsive than KSS. You are repulsive. | ||
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opisska
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Come tell me in the face, I know you are Polish, so it shouldn't be that far | ||
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Penev
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On May 29 2017 22:06 opisska wrote: Come tell me in the face, I know you are Polish, so it shouldn't be that far can you guys film this meeting? | ||
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Ej_
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On May 29 2017 22:06 opisska wrote: Come tell me in the face, I know you are Polish, so it shouldn't be that far Let's solve it like real men. Pick your video game. | ||
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opisska
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can I stream it on twitch from my phone? | ||
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opisska
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On May 29 2017 22:07 Ej_ wrote: Let's solve it like real men. Pick your video game. I am not a real man in any meaning of that phrase so I will happily admit that you'd probably beat me in whatever I could come up with. | ||
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you can | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:11 Penev wrote: absolutely no chance for Stats now Not even your power could have saved our liquibets. | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Thank you Solar. ByuL is going to the finals Now ByuL can get that sweet silver medal again | ||
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and INno can win another premier on the back of a kong | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:13 Ej_ wrote: Not even your power could have saved our liquibets. I gave it everything I got :/ | ||
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nice try | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 29 2017 22:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Thank you Solar. ByuL is going to the finals so ... Inno wins this season? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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He's gonna win this time  ....or at least the games will probably be good ;; | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Unless Byul learns TvT | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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hahaha ! | ||
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opisska
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And all the seasons after that | ||
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Penev
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not bad yourself, thanks | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:18 Fango wrote: At least now we know that Inno has it for sure Solar is gonna come up with the weirdest builds you'll ever see just so he can defend his title as SSL champion. | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:19 Penev wrote: Maybe Inno will just do one of his weird chokes thors have +1 armor now so that might work better. | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:22 Charoisaur wrote: thors have +1 armor now so that might work better. the eternal flying thor disagrees | ||
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He's gonna finally land and kill 38 drones. | ||
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) But hey he surely can still lose this, ZvT in the finals is nice. Though Stats vs Innovation would have been really interesting as well, a new rivalry basically | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: Innovation surely is the big favorite now (i mean he always was because he's already in the finals ) But hey he surely can still lose this, ZvT in the finals is nice. Though Stats vs Innovation would have been really interesting as well, a new rivalry basically It would also have been a TvP, that is, another reason to vomit, like if the maps weren't good enough for that. I have only a limited supply of containers lying around here! | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:46 opisska wrote: It would also have been a TvP, that is, another reason to vomit, like if the maps weren't good enough for that. I have only a limited supply of containers lying around here! I am not the biggest fan of tvp either, but stats vs innovation could be something to enjoy. They met in: (bigger series) SSL 2017 Season 1 Premier Pennant Race Day 9 05/15/2017 INnoVation KR T 2–0 P KR Stats GSL 2017 Season 1 Code S Ro8 02/22/2017 INnoVation KR T 2–3 P KR Stats IEM Season XI Gyeonggi Playoffs Final 12/18/2016 INnoVation KR T 4–0 P KR Stats IEM Season XI Gyeonggi Group Stage Group A 12/14/2016 INnoVation KR T 2–1 P KR Stats And the potential of the SSL finals would have been there, pretty cool rivalry imo. Now it's harder to define it as such though. | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:58 opisska wrote: I wonder how many adepts and phoenicians were made during those games An impressive amount. | ||
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On May 29 2017 22:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: I am not the biggest fan of tvp either, but stats vs innovation could be something to enjoy. Stats winning was the biggest chance for Inno to lose. I can't imagine him going down to byul or solar tbh :/ especially because he only has TvZ to practice for the next week or so. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16052 Posts
Solar becoming the first player since NesTea to defend a Starleague title, Byul breaking the kong curse or INnoVation winning his 4th korean premier. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 30 2017 01:32 Charoisaur wrote: Whoever wins this tournament, the storyline will be amazing. Solar becoming the first player since NesTea to defend a Starleague title, Byul breaking the kong curse or INnoVation winning his 4th korean premier. That's true. Though out of all these Byul's is the worst imo. He is no soO | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On May 30 2017 02:00 juicyjames wrote: Was this match recommended? Game 2 was good | ||
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leublix
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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