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Nayolbi
Profile Joined November 2013
325 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-30 02:19:01
April 30 2017 02:18 GMT
#901
i think it was streamed on basetrade, the cham true match
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
April 30 2017 02:18 GMT
#902
On April 30 2017 11:17 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:16 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote:
Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes...

They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is.

Scheduling is an issue for SC for sure, but it's not as bad as the DotA ones rofl.

It's impossible because of how high the variance in game time is. Not sure if I have a decent answer, honestly.
Writermaru pls
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 30 2017 02:18 GMT
#903
On April 30 2017 11:17 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:16 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote:
Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes...

They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is.

Scheduling is an issue for SC for sure, but it's not as bad as the DotA ones rofl.


Downtime wasn't even bad this time. It's just that the games ran long.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 30 2017 02:18 GMT
#904
Oh that explains it.
kiss kiss fall in love
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 30 2017 02:18 GMT
#905
On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote:
What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time?

Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game.

That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest.


ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh...

It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10102 Posts
April 30 2017 02:19 GMT
#906
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote:
Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes...

basetrade casted it
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 30 2017 02:19 GMT
#907
On April 30 2017 11:18 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:17 intotheheart wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:16 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote:
Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes...

They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is.

Scheduling is an issue for SC for sure, but it's not as bad as the DotA ones rofl.

It's impossible because of how high the variance in game time is. Not sure if I have a decent answer, honestly.

Yeah that's what I mean, they schedule an hour and a half I think for a Bo5, which isn't unreasonable but to be honest, sometimes you get 40-minute games. For the most part though, it's still not as bad as DOTA where drafts take a while, and games can actually just take forever.
kiss kiss fall in love
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 30 2017 02:19 GMT
#908
On April 30 2017 11:18 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:17 intotheheart wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:16 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote:
Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes...

They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is.

Scheduling is an issue for SC for sure, but it's not as bad as the DotA ones rofl.

It's impossible because of how high the variance in game time is. Not sure if I have a decent answer, honestly.


Remember that one proleague game that lasted like 2 and a half hours and then ended in a draw. Now thats a sceduling disaster
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
April 30 2017 02:20 GMT
#909
On April 30 2017 11:18 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote:
What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time?

Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game.

That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest.


ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh...

It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy.

Yeah I can see your point, although I feel with every meta of PvP people hate it in the moment and end up liking it afterwards. People hated HotS PvP when it was around, and now they love it. It's a hard matchup to get people to like.
Writermaru pls
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 30 2017 02:20 GMT
#910
On April 30 2017 11:19 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:18 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:17 intotheheart wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:16 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote:
Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes...

They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is.

Scheduling is an issue for SC for sure, but it's not as bad as the DotA ones rofl.

It's impossible because of how high the variance in game time is. Not sure if I have a decent answer, honestly.


Remember that one proleague game that lasted like 2 and a half hours and then ended in a draw. Now thats a sceduling disaster

J e e z, wasn't the follow-up game 1.5h or something too?
kiss kiss fall in love
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 30 2017 02:21 GMT
#911
On April 30 2017 11:18 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote:
What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time?

Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game.

That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest.


ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh...

It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy.


What's the last big PvP upset you remember? Tbh the results seem a lot more consistent than say TvT.
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
April 30 2017 02:21 GMT
#912
I don't even know how to look at this.
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 30 2017 02:23 GMT
#913
On April 30 2017 11:20 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:18 Fango wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote:
What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time?

Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game.

That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest.


ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh...

It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy.

Yeah I can see your point, although I feel with every meta of PvP people hate it in the moment and end up liking it afterwards. People hated HotS PvP when it was around, and now they love it. It's a hard matchup to get people to like.


I don't think many people miss the four-gate era. Part of it is just nostalgia of course. Even swarmhosts have more fans now than they had at the time they were plaguing tournament schedules.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
April 30 2017 02:24 GMT
#914
Wow, sick series
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 30 2017 02:24 GMT
#915
Carrier good unit. :O
kiss kiss fall in love
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
April 30 2017 02:24 GMT
#916
Just got back. Why is neeb on just stalkers vs carrier/mothership?
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
April 30 2017 02:25 GMT
#917
On April 30 2017 11:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Just got back. Why is neeb on just stalkers vs carrier/mothership?

NA strats
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 30 2017 02:25 GMT
#918
On April 30 2017 11:20 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:18 Fango wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote:
On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote:
What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time?

Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game.

That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest.


ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh...

It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy.

Yeah I can see your point, although I feel with every meta of PvP people hate it in the moment and end up liking it afterwards. People hated HotS PvP when it was around, and now they love it. It's a hard matchup to get people to like.

HotS PvP was actually so fucking great. In 2013, anyways.

Mass Muta HotS ZvZ was fun too, frankly.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 30 2017 02:25 GMT
#919
Nostalgia is a wonderful shit filter
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10102 Posts
April 30 2017 02:25 GMT
#920
On April 30 2017 11:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Just got back. Why is neeb on just stalkers vs carrier/mothership?

7k mmr strats
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
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