EPTlol pretty much
[WCS] DreamHack Austin 2017 - Page 45
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
lol pretty much | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Damn, how can you even make anything out in PvP!? Unless there's a significant skill differential (and there isn't here), PvP is a huge crapshoot. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
zealots rujnning around reking shit and 2 armies staring at each other | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 10:52 pvsnp wrote: Unless there's a significant skill differential (and there isn't here), PvP is a huge crapshoot. Completely disagree. As dumb as ping pong looks sometimes, the better player wins overwhelmingly often. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 10:58 iamho wrote: Is Neeb still living in Korea? No. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Completely disagree. As dumb as ping pong looks sometimes, the better player wins overwhelmingly often. 'Better' counts as a skill differential does it not? If one player is 'better' enough to reliably defeat the other, then that would qualify as 'significant' in my eyes. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:00 pvsnp wrote: 'Better' counts as a skill differential does it not? If one player is 'better' enough to reliably defeat the other, then that would qualify as 'significant' in my eyes. lmfao | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
fiesta baby | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:00 pvsnp wrote: 'Better' counts as a skill differential does it not? Yeah but I don't think the skill differential needs to be that big to make a difference. Smaller than most other match-ups I think. I don't see how it qualifies as a crapshoot. | ||
Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:00 pvsnp wrote: 'Better' counts as a skill differential does it not? If one player is 'better' enough to reliably defeat the other, then that would qualify as 'significant' in my eyes. What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time? | ||
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Topin
Peru10121 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time? Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote: Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game. That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote: Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game. Matches between even players do tend to be difficult to predict. And while PvP does have more opportunities for comeback than most match-ups that doesn't make the outcomes any more random. Better players tend also to be better at coming back. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote: Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes... Looks like it. Though really, how long can a bo5 between TRUE and Cham really take? Half an hour? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Looks like it. Though really, how long can a bo5 between TRUE and Cham really take? Half an hour? Cham winning: 15 minutes. TRUE winning: 5. Yeah math adds up. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote: Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes... They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:16 Soularion wrote: They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is. Scheduling is an issue for SC for sure, but it's not as bad as the DotA ones rofl. | ||
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