On April 30 2017 11:20 intotheheart wrote:
J e e z, wasn't the follow-up game 1.5h or something too?
J e e z, wasn't the follow-up game 1.5h or something too?
Soulkey vs Reality? Nah, half an hour. Real-life time, 45 minute in-game.
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:20 intotheheart wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:19 Fango wrote: On April 30 2017 11:18 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:17 intotheheart wrote: On April 30 2017 11:16 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:14 intotheheart wrote: Did they play Cham vs. TRUE offscreen or something? Yikes... They were really behind schedule. Cham vs TRUE was meant to start 30 minutes ago. I don't see anything wrong with this, as unfortunate as it is. Scheduling is an issue for SC for sure, but it's not as bad as the DotA ones rofl. It's impossible because of how high the variance in game time is. Not sure if I have a decent answer, honestly. Remember that one proleague game that lasted like 2 and a half hours and then ended in a draw. Now thats a sceduling disaster J e e z, wasn't the follow-up game 1.5h or something too? Soulkey vs Reality? Nah, half an hour. Real-life time, 45 minute in-game. | ||
AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:25 pvsnp wrote: Nostalgia is a wonderful shit filter I hate early 2014 HotS with burning passion. Cause blink stalkers. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:25 Topin wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Just got back. Why is neeb on just stalkers vs carrier/mothership? 7k mmr strats Showtime has two accounts in EU grandmaster top 10. Does that mean he has 13.8k MMR? | ||
intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:25 pvsnp wrote: Nostalgia is shit Yep. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:26 lolfail9001 wrote: I hate early 2014 HotS with burning passion. Cause blink stalkers. Still better than adepts everywhere. Or mass air. | ||
ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:27 Soularion wrote: ShoWTimE winning this would be big. Would prove he could beat Neeb, and very much help his argument for being the best protoss - and eventually the best foreigner, period. His PvZ and PvT have been better than Neeb's for a while now. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:27 Soularion wrote: ShoWTimE winning this would be big. Would prove he could beat Neeb, and very much help his argument for being the best protoss - and eventually the best foreigner, period. His PvZ and PvT have been better than Neeb's for a while now. Yeah, but it's difficult to say you're definitively better than Neeb when you've never beaten him. Most people had it as a pretty equal thing. | ||
ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:31 Soularion wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: On April 30 2017 11:27 Soularion wrote: ShoWTimE winning this would be big. Would prove he could beat Neeb, and very much help his argument for being the best protoss - and eventually the best foreigner, period. His PvZ and PvT have been better than Neeb's for a while now. Yeah, but it's difficult to say you're definitively better than Neeb when you've never beaten him. Most people had it as a pretty equal thing. Head to Head can be really misleading. GoOdy having a good h2h against Stephano for example. Winning against Neeb would help his argument, but it really shouldn't that much. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:31 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: On April 30 2017 11:27 Soularion wrote: ShoWTimE winning this would be big. Would prove he could beat Neeb, and very much help his argument for being the best protoss - and eventually the best foreigner, period. His PvZ and PvT have been better than Neeb's for a while now. Yeah, but it's difficult to say you're definitively better than Neeb when you've never beaten him. Most people had it as a pretty equal thing. Head to Head can be really misleading. GoOdy having a good h2h against Stephano for example. Winning against Neeb would help his argument, but it really shouldn't that much. Head to head, especially when it involves a likely leap from Ro8 to the finals of this tournament, is a pretty key thing when it comes to a 50-50 argument. If ShoWTimE beats Neeb and makes the finals, that helps his argument a lot, since there's few things Neeb would be definitively better at. | ||
Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:20 Soularion wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:18 Fango wrote: On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote: What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time? Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game. That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest. ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh... It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy. Yeah I can see your point, although I feel with every meta of PvP people hate it in the moment and end up liking it afterwards. People hated HotS PvP when it was around, and now they love it. It's a hard matchup to get people to like. The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50% | ||
pvsnp
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
sweet got home just in time for rubber match | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:36 Fango wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:20 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:18 Fango wrote: On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote: What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time? Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game. That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest. ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh... It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy. Yeah I can see your point, although I feel with every meta of PvP people hate it in the moment and end up liking it afterwards. People hated HotS PvP when it was around, and now they love it. It's a hard matchup to get people to like. The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50% Neeb was the consistent top-tier of PvP :^) | ||
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Waxangel
United States33403 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:38 Waxangel wrote: I wonder what the Neeb vs Showtime map score is in ONLY disruptor vs disruptor games That's easy. The games Neeb won were all disruptor games, and the games he lost weren't. ![]() | ||
Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 30 2017 11:37 Soularion wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2017 11:36 Fango wrote: On April 30 2017 11:20 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:18 Fango wrote: On April 30 2017 11:11 Soularion wrote: On April 30 2017 11:08 pvsnp wrote: What are you arguing in favor of here? If two players are completely 50-50 and one isn't better than another, should one still win a majority of the time? Simply that PvP between even players is difficult to predict because disruptors can erase huge chunks of an army in an instant. Being "ahead" means less when one mistake will still lose you the game. That's pretty reasonable, although I think people overstate how 'bad' that is. I find it pretty exciting, and I still think the player who wins was the player who played better. Plus, game 2/3 have been pretty decision-oriented and not very disruptor-YOLO-fest. ngl, this era of PvP is horrible to watch for me (and I loved it in HoTS even when no one else did).The mass adepts, or disruptor 50/50, or carrier insta win. It's just so...uugh... It just feels like there's almost no real strategy involved. I really hate that it's so easy for a lesser player to beat an amazing player just because the meta involves it being coinflippy. Yeah I can see your point, although I feel with every meta of PvP people hate it in the moment and end up liking it afterwards. People hated HotS PvP when it was around, and now they love it. It's a hard matchup to get people to like. The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50% Neeb was the consistent top-tier of PvP :^) Only when he was the first do to it. Once all the koreans started using it they all ended up about the same | ||
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