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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-30 02:40:42
April 30 2017 02:39 GMT
#941
The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50%

Agree 100% with this. It's why I dislike current TvT so much, because people like Inno can lose to people like aLive. TY and Inno are two of the best Terrans, but their TvT is pretty much equal to that of Gumiho, aLive, and Ryung.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 30 2017 02:40 GMT
#942
nothing will ever top neeb vs showtime on apotheosis tho
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
April 30 2017 02:41 GMT
#943
On April 30 2017 11:39 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50%

Agree 100% with this. It's why I dislike current TvT so much, because people like Inno can lose to people like aLive. TY and Inno are two of the best Terrans, but their TvT is pretty much equal to that of Gumiho, aLive, and Ryung.

Who would you consider the top 5 best TvT players of ~2012-2014?
Writermaru pls
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 30 2017 02:41 GMT
#944
On April 30 2017 11:39 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50%

Agree 100% with this. It's why I dislike current TvT so much, because people like Inno can lose to people like aLive. TY and Inno are two of the best Terrans, but their TvT is pretty much equal to that of Gumiho, aLive, and Ryung.


aLive's pretty good. Don't knock the invisible man. Now INno losing to KeeN...
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 30 2017 02:43 GMT
#945
aLive's pretty good. Don't knock the invisible man. Now INno losing to KeeN...

Wait he lost to Keen? That's just shameful.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 30 2017 02:43 GMT
#946
On April 30 2017 11:39 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50%

Agree 100% with this. It's why I dislike current TvT so much, because people like Inno can lose to people like aLive. TY and Inno are two of the best Terrans, but their TvT is pretty much equal to that of Gumiho, aLive, and Ryung.


Gumi, aLive, and Ryung are legit great at TvT to be fair, it's just the other matchups they struggle with.

But yeah seeing Inno/TY/Maru lose to the GomTvT terrans is annoying because you know those probably will get 0-3'd by a protoss afterwoods
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 30 2017 02:43 GMT
#947
damn this game is tense
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 30 2017 02:44 GMT
#948
This game of ping pong is pretty amusing.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
April 30 2017 02:44 GMT
#949
On April 30 2017 11:43 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 11:39 pvsnp wrote:
The thing that makes a matchup good for me is when you get consistant tiers of players. Like in HoTS players like Rain, Zest, sOs etc would look unbeatable vs most other protoss. When disruptor-blink meta became massive in Korea almost all top PvPers were at like 50%

Agree 100% with this. It's why I dislike current TvT so much, because people like Inno can lose to people like aLive. TY and Inno are two of the best Terrans, but their TvT is pretty much equal to that of Gumiho, aLive, and Ryung.


Gumi, aLive, and Ryung are legit great at TvT to be fair, it's just the other matchups they struggle with.

But yeah seeing Inno/TY/Maru lose to the GomTvT terrans is annoying because you know those probably will get 0-3'd by a protoss afterwoods

Outside of the historically great TvTers - who are all either retired to declined in skill to the point where they aren't considered overall great anymore - TvT has always been pretty damn scrappy. So, with all of the historically great ones gone/worse, it's no surprise to see things are close.
Writermaru pls
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
April 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#950
How to resolve PvP: give both players 10 distruptors and nothing else. Watch in amusement.
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
April 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#951
boomshakalaka
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#952
OH SHIT
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#953
Worth noting, whenever I'm watching a PvP and the players go disruptor it makes me want to stop watching. At that point I have no clue who's gonna win, and if there's one thing thats frustrating to watch it's garanteed coinflip.

Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
April 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#954
Goddamn this match is weird
Writermaru pls
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#955
Neeb is really good at bowling.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#956
from 7 to 4 disruptor deficit to 5 to 2 disruptor lead
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-30 02:47:15
April 30 2017 02:46 GMT
#957
Showtime should've rebuilt those phoenixes. Neeb is much better than him at pure stalker/disruptor PvP. He'd have a better chance in the Korean meta where disruptors are moving out of favour again.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
April 30 2017 02:47 GMT
#958
purification nova
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 30 2017 02:48 GMT
#959
showtime has no gas
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
April 30 2017 02:48 GMT
#960
gg
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