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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 20 2017 13:23 GMT
#341
Stats way too aggressive imo
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15930 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:24:46
March 20 2017 13:23 GMT
#342
On March 20 2017 22:21 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:18 pvsnp wrote:
I don't understand where you get the idea from that protoss is favored against Terran, it can't be due to winrates or championships or anything game-related.

It's related to the recent lib+mine nerfs.


You mean the ones that so far haven't had any impact at all? The liberator nerf did literally nothing, mass liberator still works the same way it did before. The mine nerf makes phoenix/adept a little better, but still doesn't address the underlying issues. Zest got build countered because he opened phoenix/adept. Every protoss has to mix in robo builds despite them being terrible, just because they'd get exploited and blind countered otherwise. That's a huge issue in any game, and funny enough it was the exact same thing that Terrans were crying their eyes out about in 2014. But hey, we can't have protoss asking for balance even after months of PvT winrates around 40%.

Lib nerf did literally nothing. except making stalkers 33% more cost-efficient vs them.

pre-patch winrates are completely irrelevant to current balance.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 20 2017 13:24 GMT
#343
And the funniest thing is when people bring up Stats as the only protoss that does alright against top terrans. When it was Taeja, Mvp or Maru as the only Terran at a time in the exact same situation, people were going fucking mental about Terran being too weak. It's fucking ridiculous in this community.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
March 20 2017 13:25 GMT
#344
On March 20 2017 22:24 Olli wrote:
And the funniest thing is when people bring up Stats as the only protoss that does alright against top terrans. When it was Taeja, Mvp or Maru as the only Terran at a time in the exact same situation, people were going fucking mental about Terran being too weak. It's fucking ridiculous in this community.

The community has been Terran biased since forever and even liberators couldn't change that. It's just how it is
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 20 2017 13:26 GMT
#345
On March 20 2017 22:25 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:24 Olli wrote:
And the funniest thing is when people bring up Stats as the only protoss that does alright against top terrans. When it was Taeja, Mvp or Maru as the only Terran at a time in the exact same situation, people were going fucking mental about Terran being too weak. It's fucking ridiculous in this community.

The community has been Terran biased since forever and even liberators couldn't change that. It's just how it is


Blame Mvp.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:34:37
March 20 2017 13:26 GMT
#346
You mean the ones that so far haven't had any impact at all? The liberator nerf did literally nothing, mass liberator still works the same way it did before. The mine nerf makes phoenix/adept a little better, but still doesn't address the underlying issues. Zest got build countered because he opened phoenix/adept. Every protoss has to mix in robo builds despite them being terrible, just because they'd get exploited and blind countered otherwise. That's a huge issue in any game, and funny enough it was the exact same thing that Terrans were crying their eyes out about in 2014. But hey, we can't have protoss asking for balance even after months of PvT winrates around 40%.


I understand where you are coming from, but you're missing a couple major factors that have changed for Protoss since the beginning of the year:

1. PvT winrates are at 50% for the past month, not 40%, and 55% in GSL.
http://aligulac.com/periods/183/
http://aligulac.com/periods/184/
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2017_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S_Statistics

2. Stats. He's arguably the best player in the world right now, having beaten Inno, Dark, ByuN, and TY (though he narrowly lost too) in recent days.


Along with the Terran nerfs, there is a very strong case for PvT being balanced quite well at the moment, even Protoss favored.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15930 Posts
March 20 2017 13:26 GMT
#347
On March 20 2017 22:24 Olli wrote:
And the funniest thing is when people bring up Stats as the only protoss that does alright against top terrans. When it was Taeja, Mvp or Maru as the only Terran at a time in the exact same situation, people were going fucking mental about Terran being too weak. It's fucking ridiculous in this community.

same as now, people go fucking mental about protoss being to weak because Stats is the only one doing alright.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:27:29
March 20 2017 13:26 GMT
#348
This is one of those nights that make me want to quit SC2..If even Stats can't win what hope do us mere mortal protosses have?
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#349
pande, Banner is by v1 not SSL
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#350
Zerg bros doing work
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#351
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SilentRaven
Profile Joined March 2017
52 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#352
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.


But is there also a patch to fix Terran sympathizer's sexual dysfunction?

It's always darkest before dawn...or maybe just perpetual night.

NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#353
gg all Protoss lost today
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#354
Z>T>P hierarchy established today
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#355
I have seen plenty of protoss "go mental" in weak P times, let's not generalize
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 20 2017 13:29 GMT
#356
I think we can conclude Zerg is OP again and Toss needs to be buffed. Get on it David.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:31:10
March 20 2017 13:30 GMT
#357
On March 20 2017 22:26 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:24 Olli wrote:
And the funniest thing is when people bring up Stats as the only protoss that does alright against top terrans. When it was Taeja, Mvp or Maru as the only Terran at a time in the exact same situation, people were going fucking mental about Terran being too weak. It's fucking ridiculous in this community.

same as now, people go fucking mental about protoss being to weak because Stats is the only one doing alright.


Only that there are no complaints at all. Where's the reddit threads? The balance whine in LRs? Do I really need to link you to examples in 2014? We had staff meetings specifically to address the problem of ridiculous balance whine. But hey, protoss has been doing far worse for months (statistically) than Terran ever did back then and it's perfectly fine. Blizzard made one change that doesn't address the core issue and everything is great again.

Terran back then was perfectly fine statistics-wise. Only that they couldn't win if protoss played correctly. It's the same now, only that protoss also isn't fine statistically.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 20 2017 13:30 GMT
#358
Fuck there was a SH game and I missed it!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 20 2017 13:31 GMT
#359
On March 20 2017 22:30 Olli wrote:
The balance whine in LRs?

I thought that's what you're here for?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:35:59
March 20 2017 13:32 GMT
#360
Terran back then was perfectly fine statistics-wise. Only that they couldn't win if protoss played correctly. It's the same now, only that protoss also isn't fine statistically.


Did you just completely ignore both my post about statistics along with those statistics themselves?

Protoss on Aligulac since February 16th - Now: 50%
Protoss in GSL Code S: 55%

versus Terran for both, obviously.

I can understand the balance frustration but if you just outright bury your head in the sand and whine without any evidence to justify (and in fact evidence that directly contradicts your whining) then you aren't going to get very far.
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