EPT[SSL 2017] Premier Division - Week 1 - Page 18
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Elentos
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On March 20 2017 22:21 Olli wrote: You mean the ones that so far haven't had any impact at all? The liberator nerf did literally nothing, mass liberator still works the same way it did before. The mine nerf makes phoenix/adept a little better, but still doesn't address the underlying issues. Zest got build countered because he opened phoenix/adept. Every protoss has to mix in robo builds despite them being terrible, just because they'd get exploited and blind countered otherwise. That's a huge issue in any game, and funny enough it was the exact same thing that Terrans were crying their eyes out about in 2014. But hey, we can't have protoss asking for balance even after months of PvT winrates around 40%. Lib nerf did literally nothing. except making stalkers 33% more cost-efficient vs them. pre-patch winrates are completely irrelevant to current balance. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Durnuu
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On March 20 2017 22:24 Olli wrote: And the funniest thing is when people bring up Stats as the only protoss that does alright against top terrans. When it was Taeja, Mvp or Maru as the only Terran at a time in the exact same situation, people were going fucking mental about Terran being too weak. It's fucking ridiculous in this community. The community has been Terran biased since forever and even liberators couldn't change that. It's just how it is | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On March 20 2017 22:25 Durnuu wrote: The community has been Terran biased since forever and even liberators couldn't change that. It's just how it is Blame Mvp. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
You mean the ones that so far haven't had any impact at all? The liberator nerf did literally nothing, mass liberator still works the same way it did before. The mine nerf makes phoenix/adept a little better, but still doesn't address the underlying issues. Zest got build countered because he opened phoenix/adept. Every protoss has to mix in robo builds despite them being terrible, just because they'd get exploited and blind countered otherwise. That's a huge issue in any game, and funny enough it was the exact same thing that Terrans were crying their eyes out about in 2014. But hey, we can't have protoss asking for balance even after months of PvT winrates around 40%. I understand where you are coming from, but you're missing a couple major factors that have changed for Protoss since the beginning of the year: 1. PvT winrates are at 50% for the past month, not 40%, and 55% in GSL. http://aligulac.com/periods/183/ http://aligulac.com/periods/184/ http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2017_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S_Statistics 2. Stats. He's arguably the best player in the world right now, having beaten Inno, Dark, ByuN, and TY (though he narrowly lost too) in recent days. Along with the Terran nerfs, there is a very strong case for PvT being balanced quite well at the moment, even Protoss favored. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On March 20 2017 22:24 Olli wrote: And the funniest thing is when people bring up Stats as the only protoss that does alright against top terrans. When it was Taeja, Mvp or Maru as the only Terran at a time in the exact same situation, people were going fucking mental about Terran being too weak. It's fucking ridiculous in this community. same as now, people go fucking mental about protoss being to weak because Stats is the only one doing alright. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50596 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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SilentRaven
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On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote: Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine. But is there also a patch to fix Terran sympathizer's sexual dysfunction? It's always darkest before dawn...or maybe just perpetual night. | ||
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Penev
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On March 20 2017 22:26 Charoisaur wrote: same as now, people go fucking mental about protoss being to weak because Stats is the only one doing alright. Only that there are no complaints at all. Where's the reddit threads? The balance whine in LRs? Do I really need to link you to examples in 2014? We had staff meetings specifically to address the problem of ridiculous balance whine. But hey, protoss has been doing far worse for months (statistically) than Terran ever did back then and it's perfectly fine. Blizzard made one change that doesn't address the core issue and everything is great again. Terran back then was perfectly fine statistics-wise. Only that they couldn't win if protoss played correctly. It's the same now, only that protoss also isn't fine statistically. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On March 20 2017 22:30 Olli wrote: The balance whine in LRs? I thought that's what you're here for? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Terran back then was perfectly fine statistics-wise. Only that they couldn't win if protoss played correctly. It's the same now, only that protoss also isn't fine statistically. Did you just completely ignore both my post about statistics along with those statistics themselves? Protoss on Aligulac since February 16th - Now: 50% Protoss in GSL Code S: 55% versus Terran for both, obviously. I can understand the balance frustration but if you just outright bury your head in the sand and whine without any evidence to justify (and in fact evidence that directly contradicts your whining) then you aren't going to get very far. | ||
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