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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 20 2017 13:12 GMT
#321
he won IPL 4. but I get your point.

Oh yeah you're right about that. I should amend that to "recent major title."
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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 20 2017 13:12 GMT
#322
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

was protoss broken in bw during the reign of the six dragons?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 20 2017 13:13 GMT
#323
On March 20 2017 22:12 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

I'd say herO and Classic have decent chances to beat the "horsemen".


They're definitely not favored to beat any of them. Or even 50/50.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 20 2017 13:13 GMT
#324
On March 20 2017 22:12 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

was protoss broken in bw during the reign of the six dragons?


I wasn't familiar enough with the game to comment on that.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:14:40
March 20 2017 13:14 GMT
#325
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

But the "Four Horsemen" aren't what they used to be. It's more a theme than a real thing at this point.
ByuN has been lagging considerably, Maru has barely played in anything. Inno and TY are the only real "Horsemen."

The actual best players (in no particular order) are INnoVation, Stats, TY, and Dark. And that's pretty even race-wise.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
March 20 2017 13:14 GMT
#326
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

Is it even possible to think that Protoss are not favored against terrans right now without trolling? O_o I'm genuinely impressed about this level of denial...
WriterMaru
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 20 2017 13:15 GMT
#327
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.


No Gumigod, obvious troll post
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
March 20 2017 13:15 GMT
#328
On March 20 2017 22:13 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:12 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

I'd say herO and Classic have decent chances to beat the "horsemen".


They're definitely not favored to beat any of them. Or even 50/50.

herO is 50/50 with ByuN and Inno this year.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:16:02
March 20 2017 13:15 GMT
#329
??? stop Stats
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
March 20 2017 13:16 GMT
#330
blink archon value
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 20 2017 13:16 GMT
#331
Dirty micro.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 20 2017 13:16 GMT
#332
On March 20 2017 22:14 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

Is it even possible to think that Protoss are not favored against terrans right now without trolling? O_o I'm genuinely impressed about this level of denial...


I don't understand where you get the idea from that protoss is favored against Terran, it can't be due to winrates or championships or anything game-related.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 13:19:49
March 20 2017 13:18 GMT
#333
I don't understand where you get the idea from that protoss is favored against Terran, it can't be due to winrates or championships or anything game-related.

It's related to the recent lib+mine nerfs, and Stats proving that top Protosses can beat top Terrans.
Protoss might be slightly favored against Terran atm, but no more than that.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
March 20 2017 13:19 GMT
#334
That attack sure was ambitious
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
March 20 2017 13:21 GMT
#335
On March 20 2017 22:16 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:14 Poopi wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.

Is it even possible to think that Protoss are not favored against terrans right now without trolling? O_o I'm genuinely impressed about this level of denial...


I don't understand where you get the idea from that protoss is favored against Terran, it can't be due to winrates or championships or anything game-related.

ByuN is losing to protosses so Protoss is imba
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 20 2017 13:21 GMT
#336
On March 20 2017 22:18 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't understand where you get the idea from that protoss is favored against Terran, it can't be due to winrates or championships or anything game-related.

It's related to the recent lib+mine nerfs.


You mean the ones that so far haven't had any impact at all? The liberator nerf did literally nothing, mass liberator still works the same way it did before. The mine nerf makes phoenix/adept a little better, but still doesn't address the underlying issues. Zest got build countered because he opened phoenix/adept. Every protoss has to mix in robo builds despite them being terrible, just because they'd get exploited and blind countered otherwise. That's a huge issue in any game, and funny enough it was the exact same thing that Terrans were crying their eyes out about in 2014. But hey, we can't have protoss asking for balance even after months of PvT winrates around 40%.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 20 2017 13:22 GMT
#337
Pretty nice series.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 20 2017 13:22 GMT
#338
GSL finals hasn't even started and Stats is choking
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
March 20 2017 13:23 GMT
#339
this will make me pick soO for GSL finals for maximum disappointment

thanks solar
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
March 20 2017 13:23 GMT
#340
On March 20 2017 22:11 Olli wrote:
Just the fact that there are "four horsemen" of Terran and a single Protoss that can hang with them tells you the whole story. And then there's aLive, Ryung, Keen, Bunny. So many Terrans are so good all of a sudden, and so many great protoss champions are so bad. Just keep believing everything is fine.


Until we get more results, yes, I will believe that. We just had a balance update.
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