The very first WCS Global event of the year 2017 is here, Intel Extreme Masters World Championship in Katowice, a tournament featuring 76 total players, $250.000,00 in prize and a format last seen on IEMs in the 7th season.
The first day of action will include the games from the Brackets 1 and 2, featuring 32 contenders to join the already 12 players defined for the group stage.
10:30AM Preshow 11:00AM Ro64 Bracket I 12:10PM Ro64 Bracket I 01:20PM Ro64 Bracket I 02:30PM Ro64 Bracket I 03:40PM Ro64 Bracket I 04:50PM Ro64 Bracket I 06:05PM Ro64 Bracket II 07:15PM Ro64 Bracket II 08:25PM Ro64 Bracket II 09:30PM Ro64 Bracket II
*All times are in CET, local time. Matches will be play continuously, starting time may vary.
Will this be streamed with full production, or just some nerds in a basement?
And wow, there is a Czech stream? There are any Czech people casting SC2? Why nobody asked me?
And one more topic of conversation: who the hell is Sinistro and how come he saves e-sports with 300 posts while the 5-figure slackers just watch? Way to go man!
CZ/SK stream must be a new thing, didn't see it before either - I'll most likely stick to classic ENG cast but good to know ESL is thinking about our part of the world.
to the brackets - expecting Stats(duh) and either Harstem or Snute(also duh) to qualify anything else would be a huge surprise
Someone taking my job...not sure whether to cry with joy or be scared !! Thanks for the thread Sinistro hit me up on PMs if you need any help or if you can't do the rest of the days.
On February 27 2017 02:57 opisska wrote: Will this be streamed with full production, or just some nerds in a basement?
And wow, there is a Czech stream? There are any Czech people casting SC2? Why nobody asked me?
And one more topic of conversation: who the hell is Sinistro and how come he saves e-sports with 300 posts while the 5-figure slackers just watch? Way to go man!
Pande is a 5 figure guy. He does enough to cover the rest of us.
On February 27 2017 02:57 opisska wrote: Will this be streamed with full production, or just some nerds in a basement?
And wow, there is a Czech stream? There are any Czech people casting SC2? Why nobody asked me?
And one more topic of conversation: who the hell is Sinistro and how come he saves e-sports with 300 posts while the 5-figure slackers just watch? Way to go man!
Pande is a 5 figure guy. He does enough to cover the rest of us.
I was gonna post it but then it was already done. I was debating of what kind of thread to do for the qualifiers but hey someone did it we all happy!
On February 27 2017 02:57 opisska wrote: Will this be streamed with full production, or just some nerds in a basement?
And wow, there is a Czech stream? There are any Czech people casting SC2? Why nobody asked me?
And one more topic of conversation: who the hell is Sinistro and how come he saves e-sports with 300 posts while the 5-figure slackers just watch? Way to go man!
Pande is a 5 figure guy. He does enough to cover the rest of us.
I was gonna post it but then it was already done. I was debating of what kind of thread to do for the qualifiers but hey someone did it we all happy!
Sorry, I just didn't see anything done to the event and made one (events submission too, but that is another story). The CZ info was on liquipedia, I believe it is right, or maybe whoever did that just copy/pasted the template from somewhere else.
Nothing personal against Stats but I really hope he gets knocked out early. He's in the GSL semifinals already; he doesn't need to do well at Katowice nearly as much as a ton of other players do.
Can someone explain how these qualifiers work? In particular, why do some people have to go through a server qualifier while others go through this offline qualifier? Can they do both?
On February 27 2017 17:57 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone explain how these qualifiers work? In particular, why do some people have to go through a server qualifier while others go through this offline qualifier? Can they do both?
In theory you could do both, but realistically it's better to qualify through the online (server) qualifiers, because qualifying through those means you get paid travel and accommodation while your or you team have to pay the expenses if you go to the offline qualifiers. People who go through the offline qualifiers are mostly those who didn't make it online.
On February 27 2017 17:57 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone explain how these qualifiers work? In particular, why do some people have to go through a server qualifier while others go through this offline qualifier? Can they do both?
In theory you could do both, but realistically it's better to qualify through the online (server) qualifiers, because qualifying through those means you get paid travel and accommodation while your or you team have to pay the expenses if you go to the offline qualifiers. People who go through the offline qualifiers are mostly those who didn't make it online.
How is it that Jin Air players didn't get flown to Katowice?
On February 27 2017 17:57 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone explain how these qualifiers work? In particular, why do some people have to go through a server qualifier while others go through this offline qualifier? Can they do both?
In theory you could do both, but realistically it's better to qualify through the online (server) qualifiers, because qualifying through those means you get paid travel and accommodation while your or you team have to pay the expenses if you go to the offline qualifiers. People who go through the offline qualifiers are mostly those who didn't make it online.
How is it that Jin Air players didn't get flown to Katowice?
Hell if I know. Maybe Jin Air didn't feel like covering the travel expenses.
On February 27 2017 02:57 opisska wrote: Will this be streamed with full production, or just some nerds in a basement?
And wow, there is a Czech stream? There are any Czech people casting SC2? Why nobody asked me?
And one more topic of conversation: who the hell is Sinistro and how come he saves e-sports with 300 posts while the 5-figure slackers just watch? Way to go man!
Pande is a 5 figure guy. He does enough to cover the rest of us.
I was gonna post it but then it was already done. I was debating of what kind of thread to do for the qualifiers but hey someone did it we all happy!
Sorry, I just didn't see anything done to the event and made one (events submission too, but that is another story). The CZ info was on liquipedia, I believe it is right, or maybe whoever did that just copy/pasted the template from somewhere else.
Don't worry it fine! I was just saying it great thank you! Just let me know if you need any information or what not. I can do the group stage if you don't want to etc.
Only one terran today sucks. >.< Hurried up to get things done so I can enjoy the show (no wife/work for today but beer) only to see my terrans were stacked in bracket #2... Anyhow, go Zergs! Gonna figure out who I'll cheer for! Yay~
On February 27 2017 18:41 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Only one terran today sucks. >.< Hurried up to get things done so I can enjoy the show (no wife/work for today but beer) only to see my terrans were stacked in bracket #2... Anyhow, go Zergs! Gonna figure out who I'll cheer for! Yay~
On February 27 2017 19:10 Ej_ wrote: here's the analysis of this game: -protoss went sg -> charge/archon/immortal -had no glaives -had no adepts -??? -died to hydra all-in
Don't forget that time where he lost 50 probes to 3 hydras and 5 lings.
On February 27 2017 19:10 Ej_ wrote: here's the analysis of this game: -protoss went sg -> charge/archon/immortal -had no glaives -had no adepts -??? -died to hydra all-in
On February 27 2017 19:10 Ej_ wrote: here's the analysis of this game: -protoss went sg -> charge/archon/immortal -had no glaives -had no adepts -??? -died to hydra all-in
Don't forget that time where he lost 50 probes to 3 hydras and 5 lings.
On February 27 2017 18:41 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Only one terran today sucks. >.< Hurried up to get things done so I can enjoy the show (no wife/work for today but beer) only to see my terrans were stacked in bracket #2... Anyhow, go Zergs! Gonna figure out who I'll cheer for! Yay~
On February 27 2017 18:41 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Only one terran today sucks. >.< Hurried up to get things done so I can enjoy the show (no wife/work for today but beer) only to see my terrans were stacked in bracket #2... Anyhow, go Zergs! Gonna figure out who I'll cheer for! Yay~
Don't worry. bracket #2 will be played today.
#3 and #4 are tomorrow.
wow big day of SC2 incoming. Intended to play a bit but I guess I'll be a viewer rather than a player today
On February 27 2017 19:21 Penev wrote: I'm not familiar with Dana, new foreign hope?
Hm, not sure, he has been around forever :D
Didn't manage to stick in my memory somehow and he's a Polish zerg even
Well he played lots of online cups back then, did pretty well and joined mYinsanity in HotS, but then he kinda went away I think. No big offline results or anything.
On February 27 2017 19:30 Elentos wrote: 140 units for 9? Cost efficiency confirmed.
140 lings for 9 carriers maybe.
Sounds legit.
And then he won with 1 adept because there were no other units left on the map
Lost all his lings in basetrade, had nothing but Vipers left, killed all the carriers with them and had to try blinding cloud the single adept for the rest of the game to force a draw.
On February 27 2017 19:30 Elentos wrote: 140 units for 9? Cost efficiency confirmed.
140 lings for 9 carriers maybe.
Sounds legit.
And then he won with 1 adept because there were no other units left on the map
Lost all his lings in basetrade, had nothing but Vipers left, killed all the carriers with them and had to try blinding cloud the single adept for the rest of the game to force a draw.
Only problem is that units affected by blinding cloud still have melee range so it wouldn't prevent the adept from attacking
On February 27 2017 19:30 Elentos wrote: 140 units for 9? Cost efficiency confirmed.
140 lings for 9 carriers maybe.
Sounds legit.
And then he won with 1 adept because there were no other units left on the map
Lost all his lings in basetrade, had nothing but Vipers left, killed all the carriers with them and had to try blinding cloud the single adept for the rest of the game to force a draw.
Only problem is that units affected by blinding cloud still have melee range so it wouldn't prevent the adept from attacking
On February 27 2017 19:30 Elentos wrote: 140 units for 9? Cost efficiency confirmed.
140 lings for 9 carriers maybe.
Sounds legit.
And then he won with 1 adept because there were no other units left on the map
Lost all his lings in basetrade, had nothing but Vipers left, killed all the carriers with them and had to try blinding cloud the single adept for the rest of the game to force a draw.
Only problem is that units affected by blinding cloud still have melee range so it wouldn't prevent the adept from attacking
You're right, obviously he kept abducting the adept away from the buildings.
On February 27 2017 20:03 Penev wrote: I know Apollo has had some unfortunate pr but I wouldn't mind him actually be a commentator again, he was very good at that
He was fantastic at it. But he's a higher-up now at ESL. Odds are outside of hosting Blizzcon we won't see him much at events because his focus is behind the scenes.
So we have several days of ToD, Tastosis, Kaelaris and the whole band doing SC2? What a delight! I am almost sorry that I will lose some of it due to skiing (hopefully - I have some cold and I was given a stern talk about how now I am absolutely forbidden to ignore colds because it could trigger the process that kills my brain ...)
On February 27 2017 20:40 Elentos wrote: I love it when Rotti pretends he doesn't go stargate every game
Unless I clearly scout something completely outrageous, such as 4gate or proxy zealots, I play with the mindset that the stargate is somewhere. It might as well be a starting building instead of the nexus.
On February 27 2017 20:41 opisska wrote: The only thing the bile does is shorten the duration of FF a little in exchange for a lot of wasted damage.
The space control and sieging mechanic of it is pretty good though.
Yeah sure, I meant the "bile breaks FF" mechanics. It's just pretty slow, the FF still does a lot of work before it gets broken. But that's not a complaint, just an observation. I like my ravagers a lot
On February 27 2017 21:01 Elentos wrote: Shoutout to the guy handling the production.
he has more APM than the pros
Since I really started play SC (years ago), my APM in everything else increased a lot.I learned hotkeys for tools in photoshop and that has sped my editing by orders.
On February 27 2017 21:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: how did they distribute the players among the brackets ? Having one bracket with 50% T and another one with 1 T was pretty unlikely
They called up Dreamhack to borrow their seeding algorithm to maximise salt
On February 27 2017 21:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: how did they distribute the players among the brackets ? Having one bracket with 50% T and another one with 1 T was pretty unlikely
They called up Dreamhack to borrow their seeding algorithm to maximise salt
On February 27 2017 21:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: how did they distribute the players among the brackets ? Having one bracket with 50% T and another one with 1 T was pretty unlikely
They called up Dreamhack to borrow their seeding algorithm to maximise salt
ha ha !
They put Stats in 1 and thw rest of good players in #3
To be fair though Harstem threw it by letting Lambo transition to lurkers so easily. With the amounts of FF immortals adepts he had he had more than enough to at least pressure more when he was posturing outside Lambo's third ; he even scouted how few units Lambo had at that moment with a hallucinated phoenix.
qualifying matches should indeed have been bo5 though. I understand that the players thought it was the case going into the series since that's the tacit rule
On February 27 2017 21:40 [PkF] Wire wrote: qualifying matches should indeed have been bo5 though. I understand that the players thought it was the case going into the series since that's the tacit rule
It's also what it said on Liquipedia until we learned it's bo3.
On February 27 2017 21:40 [PkF] Wire wrote: qualifying matches should indeed have been bo5 though. I understand that the players thought it was the case going into the series since that's the tacit rule
to be fair Stats never really had to engineer a comeback ; it was a complete all-in that should have killed more probes before DTs could defend. It could have worked with a few things going better, but it didn't and the counter was bound to kill.
On February 27 2017 22:01 [PkF] Wire wrote: really love PiG, think he's my favorite caster right now
You hurt my feelings
why ? He's analytical, he mostly says sensible things and knows the game. Besides, I like the flow of his voice. So overall I really like it when he's around.
On February 27 2017 22:01 [PkF] Wire wrote: really love PiG, think he's my favorite caster right now
You hurt my feelings
why ? He's analytical, he mostly says sensible things and knows the game. Besides, I like the flow of his voice. So overall I really like it when he's around.
On February 27 2017 22:01 [PkF] Wire wrote: really love PiG, think he's my favorite caster right now
You hurt my feelings
why ? He's analytical, he mostly says sensible things and knows the game. Besides, I like the flow of his voice. So overall I really like it when he's around.
My favorite caster is Ej
you can't dominate shitposting and casting at the same time... can you ?
On February 27 2017 22:15 Elentos wrote: Stats probably wants Group C too...
just like everyone no ?
Yeah but Stats is the best player in the open bracket so for him the group he gets put in would matter the least. I guess he still wouldn't want A or D though.
On February 27 2017 23:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: good game by Bly overall, perfectly capitalizing on Snute's mistake - should definitely not have counterattacked
Should also probably have stopped droning after 70.
On February 27 2017 23:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: good game by Bly overall, perfectly capitalizing on Snute's mistake - should definitely not have counterattacked
Should also probably have stopped droning after 70.
worst thing is he did both at the same time ; counterattacking and adding a superfluous round of drones...
By the way, props to the production so far. I think it's really great that, while they focus on one series, they also had their analysts in the other matches in the earlier rounds. I feel for once I can watch a big tournament and it's not completely necessary to have 6 other streams open to get everything.
On February 27 2017 23:17 Elentos wrote: By the way, props to the production so far. I think it's really great that, while they focus on one series, they also had their analysts in the other matches in the earlier rounds. I feel for once I can watch a big tournament and it's not completely necessary to have 6 other streams open to get everything.
I agree it's been great stuff so far, hope they keep it up
On February 27 2017 23:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The happiness for Snute and sadness for Bly . Really shows how much energy players invest into tournaments like this.
that's a big part of why we love that game so much. The amount of emotions it can generate is just staggering.
On February 27 2017 23:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The happiness for Snute and sadness for Bly . Really shows how much energy players invest into tournaments like this.
that's a big part of why we love that game so much. The amount of emotions it can generate is just staggering.
It's super harsh as well. That little opening in the wall escalated very fast
On February 27 2017 23:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The happiness for Snute and sadness for Bly . Really shows how much energy players invest into tournaments like this.
that's a big part of why we love that game so much. The amount of emotions it can generate is just staggering.
It's super harsh as well. That little opening in the wall escalated very fast
I've sorta learnt to like how unforgiving and cruel SC2 can be. Once you've accepted that it's just in the nature of the game to be harsh and sometimes frustrating I feel you deal with the inevitable losses far more easily.
On February 27 2017 23:41 Elentos wrote: Wow 3 no shows for bracket 2 RIP
really ? wtf
maybe HateMe and Chess are stuck in the same train or sth :p
Trains are pretty reliable nowadays in Poland, but god forbid they use some road-based transport from the north towards Katowice, that road is hell on Earth.
On February 27 2017 23:41 Elentos wrote: Wow 3 no shows for bracket 2 RIP
really ? wtf
maybe HateMe and Chess are stuck in the same train or sth :p
Trains are pretty reliable nowadays in Poland, but god forbid they use some road-based transport from the north towards Katowice, that road is hell on Earth.
We should ask TLO, afaik he is the train specialist
On February 27 2017 23:58 Ej_ wrote: what does actually win between ultra and cyclon now? ultras obviously can never close in, but they have so much armor
Well I think we can conclude that it's not cyclones.
On February 28 2017 00:28 Elentos wrote: Polt vs Strange was almost 7 games in a best of 5.
Strange got robbed though, amirite?
Strange was robbed. fucking polt
Terran man...
YoGo, O'Gaming caster, was behind Polt during the serie. When Polt got the first draw he was laughing his ass off since he knew he was robbing Strange :D
What was that about Elazer and Korean Terrans Rotti said? I wasn't paying attention at the start, I only heard "TY or Maru or one of those crazy Terrans"
On February 28 2017 00:28 Elentos wrote: Polt vs Strange was almost 7 games in a best of 5.
Strange got robbed though, amirite?
Strange was robbed. fucking polt
Terran man...
YoGo, O'Gaming caster, was behind Polt during the serie. When Polt got the first draw he was laughing his ass off since he knew he was robbing Strange :D
Tbf Strange saw the draw timer unlike everyone watching the stream and he still decided not to try to kill Polt's last building before it ran out.
On February 28 2017 00:28 Elentos wrote: Polt vs Strange was almost 7 games in a best of 5.
Strange got robbed though, amirite?
Strange was robbed. fucking polt
Terran man...
YoGo, O'Gaming caster, was behind Polt during the serie. When Polt got the first draw he was laughing his ass off since he knew he was robbing Strange :D
Tbf Strange saw the draw timer unlike everyone watching the stream and he still decided not to try to kill Polt's last building before it ran out.
Well we need to generate salt. Salt fuels shitposting. Shitposting brings out salt. It's the endless cycle of TL - kinda like the infinite cycle in the SC2 storyline.
On February 28 2017 01:03 intotheheart wrote: Well we need to generate salt. Salt fuels shitposting. Shitposting brings out salt. It's the endless cycle of TL - kinda like the infinite cycle in the SC2 storyline.
"storyline" is a buzzword for when you can't describe the tournament games
On February 28 2017 01:03 intotheheart wrote: Well we need to generate salt. Salt fuels shitposting. Shitposting brings out salt. It's the endless cycle of TL - kinda like the infinite cycle in the SC2 storyline.
On February 28 2017 01:03 intotheheart wrote: Well we need to generate salt. Salt fuels shitposting. Shitposting brings out salt. It's the endless cycle of TL - kinda like the infinite cycle in the SC2 storyline.
the epitome of a virtuous circle... right ?
Possibly but I wouldn't know - virtue and shitposting don't go hand in hand too often.
On February 28 2017 01:04 intotheheart wrote: Storyline is great for shitposting about so I'll give it a pass.
Come on, how often does a champion even have great games of SC2?
every single GSL actually, most of premier tournament winners outside 2014
I don't always find I enjoy every series though, but watching SC2 is subjective as hell.
Most games are pretty mediocre imo. My subjective opinion is the truth though
most of the times I can find things I find entertaining in a game. Most of the games have very little rewatching value though.
I think what a lot of sc2 games lack is a clear development of tension. Back and forth action, lots of player interactions where every single one adds up to something bigger, etc. The pacing is not enjoyable for me a lot of the time.
On February 28 2017 01:04 intotheheart wrote: Storyline is great for shitposting about so I'll give it a pass.
Come on, how often does a champion even have great games of SC2?
every single GSL actually, most of premier tournament winners outside 2014
I don't always find I enjoy every series though, but watching SC2 is subjective as hell.
Most games are pretty mediocre imo. My subjective opinion is the truth though
most of the times I can find things I find entertaining in a game. Most of the games have very little rewatching value though.
I think what a lot of sc2 games lack is a clear development of tension. Back and forth action, lots of player interactions where every single one adds up to something bigger, etc. The pacing is not enjoyable for me a lot of the time.
interview with DaNa up: http://cybersport.pl/84114/wywiad-dana-na-iem-katowice-2017/ "I played for fun, expected to drop out in the first match already" "DnS made a lot of simple mistakes, like a Master player" "When I was active, there was a lot of small teams around. Now no minor team pays a good salary. If I wanted to play, I'd have to be signed by a team like Team Liquid." "I will use it [the 600 dolar prize money] to travel to England and will earn some cash there."
On February 28 2017 01:32 Ej_ wrote: interview with DaNa up: http://cybersport.pl/84114/wywiad-dana-na-iem-katowice-2017/ "I played for fun, expected to drop out in the first match already" "DnS made a lot of simple mistakes, like a Master player" "When I was active, there was a lot of small teams around. Now no minor team pays a good salary. If I wanted to play, I'd have to be signed by a team like Team Liquid." "I will use it [the 600 dolar prize money] to travel to England and will earn some cash there."
On February 28 2017 01:32 Ej_ wrote: interview with DaNa up: http://cybersport.pl/84114/wywiad-dana-na-iem-katowice-2017/ "I played for fun, expected to drop out in the first match already" "DnS made a lot of simple mistakes, like a Master player" "When I was active, there was a lot of small teams around. Now no minor team pays a good salary. If I wanted to play, I'd have to be signed by a team like Team Liquid." "I will use it [the 600 dolar prize money] to travel to England and will earn some cash there."
How does he wanna earn cash in England?
the same way the Polish have been doing it for generations: washing the dishes
On February 28 2017 01:32 Ej_ wrote: interview with DaNa up: http://cybersport.pl/84114/wywiad-dana-na-iem-katowice-2017/ "I played for fun, expected to drop out in the first match already" "DnS made a lot of simple mistakes, like a Master player" "When I was active, there was a lot of small teams around. Now no minor team pays a good salary. If I wanted to play, I'd have to be signed by a team like Team Liquid." "I will use it [the 600 dolar prize money] to travel to England and will earn some cash there."
On February 28 2017 01:47 [PkF] Wire wrote: those mine hits were good. I can't help wondering if the - kinda retarded - yolo shade in would have won the game with the mine nerf though.
I think even with the mine nerf this stupid YOLO shade would have gone horribly wrong.
On February 28 2017 02:06 starkiller123 wrote: Well uthermal will get destroyed in the group stage, it will be nice to see to see a reaper abuser get beaten down by some koreans
On February 28 2017 02:06 starkiller123 wrote: Well uthermal will get destroyed in the group stage, it will be nice to see to see a reaper abuser get beaten down by some koreans
On February 28 2017 02:11 DJHelium wrote: Any must watch games so far?
I had a lot of fun watching Snute vs DnS g3 but I'm unsure the game was genuinely good. The O'gaming cast on the other hand was hilarious. Other than that not too many highlights worthy games.
On February 28 2017 02:34 Lexender wrote: I missed Uthermal vs Pili, how was it?
quite brutal :
- first game (Newkirk) PiliPili took some unnecessary damage from mines drops after a stargate opener but got a big economy while uThermal was gearing for a tank / marine push. The tank / marine push didn't do much and Pili looked ahead, but he began doing mistakes and ended up shading in 7 mines and losing everything.
- second game (Bel'shir Vestige) PiliPili goes for a blink stalker all-in with a prism, but uThermal probably smelt it and has a very good defensive setup with tanks in both bases and repels the all-in easily. PiliPili then attempts to get a 3rd, DTs and disruptors, but he gets too much damage from uThermal constant dropping and can't do anything when he finally pushes into the natural.
On February 28 2017 02:42 DJHelium wrote: I don't like this build at all on this map, a big part is being annoying with the first lings, pulling back the reaper and denying the scout.
is it possible he expected a cc first with no scout ?
That was a well-timed and well-executed push from Heromarine and Elazer just made some mistakes like letting his reinforcements get cut off and killed for nothing. Good bane hits but it wasn't enough.
Even if Elazer makes it out of the loser bracket (and he should) I don't envy his chances going forward if that is the best he can do against Terran. There are bigger and scarier Terrans than Heromarine waiting in the Ro24.
On February 28 2017 03:36 Schelim wrote: it's so stupid that building a buttload of Adepts and just running into bases is a viable midgame build. the fun factor is negative, Tasteless.
PiliPili made a lot of mistakes and really should have been punished for that, but I disagree with the way Dayshi attacked (a drop in the main that got repelled by overcharge and a push with a little force at the third that got destroyed with the main army). A full-out push at the 3rd would have killed Pili.
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
On February 28 2017 03:36 Schelim wrote: it's so stupid that building a buttload of Adepts and just running into bases is a viable midgame build. the fun factor is negative, Tasteless.
is that much different from shift-click drops?
Even worse, shift click liberators. At least you "have" to stim with your drops.
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. first goes to the Ro8, 2nd and 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. Top 2 go to the Ro8, 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. first goes to the Ro8, 2nd and 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
both scnd and thrd places have to play that extra match, only the first go through to the QF
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. first goes to the Ro8, 2nd and 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
both scnd and thrd places have to play that extra match, only the first go through to the QF
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. first goes to the Ro8, 2nd and 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
both scnd and thrd places have to play that extra match, only the first go through to the QF
Slow.
at least I have proof of your fuck up in wire's post
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. first goes to the Ro8, 2nd and 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
both scnd and thrd places have to play that extra match, only the first go through to the QF
Slow.
at least I have proof of your fuck up in wire's post
Wire is trying to frame me for something that never happened
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. first goes to the Ro8, 2nd and 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
both scnd and thrd places have to play that extra match, only the first go through to the QF
Slow.
at least I have proof of your fuck up in wire's post
Wire is trying to frame me for something that never happened
nice try
I like that I miss italicized "fuck up" btw, I'm in full fail mode :p
On February 28 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote: Tbh I hope for both of these guys that they don't make it to the group stage because that'd be some pretty brutal shit.
how does the group stage work btw ? Round robin (everyone plays everyone) ?
Yup. first goes to the Ro8, 2nd and 3rd place has to play an extra match in the Ro12.
both scnd and thrd places have to play that extra match, only the first go through to the QF
Slow.
at least I have proof of your fuck up in wire's post
Wire is trying to frame me for something that never happened I secretly think adepts should be buffed though
i see that even after years, dayshi in pvt is dayshi in pvt : when he doesn't know what to do, he just pick up unit in his medivac to find the best way to suicide
On February 28 2017 03:57 [PkF] Wire wrote: as the french casters are saying Dayshi is a good player to watch because when he gets an advantage he is totally incapable of converting it properly.
So French casters say "When ahead, think of what Dayshi would do, and then do the opposite of that"?
On February 28 2017 03:57 [PkF] Wire wrote: as the french casters are saying Dayshi is a good player to watch because when he gets an advantage he is totally incapable of converting it properly.
So French casters say "When ahead, think of what Dayshi would do, and then do the opposite of that"?
On February 28 2017 03:57 [PkF] Wire wrote: as the french casters are saying Dayshi is a good player to watch because when he gets an advantage he is totally incapable of converting it properly.
So as we know Dayshi can turn an easily won game into a hard fought battle (and sometimes into a loss even) but can he confuse his opponent when incredibly far behind ?
On February 28 2017 04:03 [PkF] Wire wrote: the French stream is a bit ahead, but Dayshi is going to hate life soon
Dayshi always hates his life when he plays vs Protoss.
DAE remember a game where a Protoss warped in adepts in plain sight in Dayshi's main and after he didn't react to it and lost he complained about adepts on twitter?
Actually never mind, that's every 4th Dayshi TvP and way too unspecific.
On February 28 2017 04:04 Penev wrote: this should be unthrowable from Pili now
I don't think unthrowable is a reality in SC2
"Unthrowable" is an abstract construct going off the implication that "From the point a game is deemed as 'unthrowable', both players will play the remainder of the game out perfectly."
On February 28 2017 04:04 Penev wrote: this should be unthrowable from Pili now
I don't think unthrowable is a reality in SC2
"Unthrowable" is an abstract construct going off the implication that "From the point a game is deemed as 'unthrowable', both players will play the remainder of the game out perfectly."
a throw is when you have a clear step 1, step 2, step 3 plan that you can easily execute that makes it impossible for an opponent to win and then you lose.
So I'd consider an unthrowable game a game that your opponent will GG out of no matter what you actually choose to do.
On February 28 2017 04:04 Penev wrote: this should be unthrowable from Pili now
I don't think unthrowable is a reality in SC2
"Unthrowable" is an abstract construct going off the implication that "From the point a game is deemed as 'unthrowable', both players will play the remainder of the game out perfectly."
a throw is when you have a clear step 1, step 2, step 3 plan that you can easily execute that makes it impossible for an opponent to win and then you lose.
So I'd consider an unthrowable game a game that your opponent will GG out of no matter what you actually choose to do.
problem is you can always decide to leave (IdrA-style) so that there is always a course of action that leads to you losing
there are situations that are "unthrowable" at the top level but even then we saw some incredible comebacks getting engineered between pros so it's really tricky to even attempt to define that concept
On February 28 2017 04:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: uThermal so hardcore he's still there practicing next to Dayshi. Some koreans are getting beat next weekend
On February 28 2017 04:11 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think Elazer will wreck Pili, but who knows ? It's going to be an interesting series for sure.
never underestimate carriers, Elazer recently lost to ArT going skytoss
So Pili is a skytoss guy ?
everyone is a skytoss guy, it doesn't take a Zest to play a style that requires 90apm
did we actually see skytoss games among Koreans ?
most of games on Echo, Daybreak and Proxima
really ? I'm surprised I thought at some point Z had found some solutions with neural etc
you can win macro games, but it relies on protoss clumping all air under the MS for fungal+parasitic bomb
so the situation is quite reminiscent of broodlord infestor : - the reliable way to win is to hydra/bane all-in instead of soultrain - you can win macro games if the P clumps everything and you get money fungals + PB (you could win macro games with good archon toilets)
On February 28 2017 04:11 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think Elazer will wreck Pili, but who knows ? It's going to be an interesting series for sure.
never underestimate carriers, Elazer recently lost to ArT going skytoss
So Pili is a skytoss guy ?
everyone is a skytoss guy, it doesn't take a Zest to play a style that requires 90apm
did we actually see skytoss games among Koreans ?
most of games on Echo, Daybreak and Proxima
really ? I'm surprised I thought at some point Z had found some solutions with neural etc
you can win macro games, but it relies on protoss clumping all air under the MS for fungal+parasitic bomb
so the situation is quite reminiscent of broodlord infestor : - the reliable way to win is to hydra/bane all-in instead of soultrain - you can win macro games if the P clumps everything and you get money fungals + PB (you could win macro games with good archon toilets)
not even since baneling toilet was a thing that existed actually airtoss could beat BL/inf in WoL too, albeit the games rarely happened (iirc it was MC doing towards the end of WoL)
On February 28 2017 04:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
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On February 28 2017 04:15 Ej_ wrote:
On February 28 2017 04:13 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 28 2017 04:11 Ej_ wrote:
On February 28 2017 04:11 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think Elazer will wreck Pili, but who knows ? It's going to be an interesting series for sure.
never underestimate carriers, Elazer recently lost to ArT going skytoss
So Pili is a skytoss guy ?
everyone is a skytoss guy, it doesn't take a Zest to play a style that requires 90apm
did we actually see skytoss games among Koreans ?
most of games on Echo, Daybreak and Proxima
really ? I'm surprised I thought at some point Z had found some solutions with neural etc
"solutions" that rely on the opponent not having an observer
The trick is to neural a probe and build your own deathfleet
I can see this working on Honorgrounds. The map is so freaking big, so many bases
Stephano once had a game on this map vs Gungfubanda on his stream where he had an opportunity to do that, but he gave up on it since he would never catch up on upgrades (and he was winning by abusing runbys and drops with cracklings anyway)
On February 28 2017 04:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: double stargate, so carriers should get some screentime
Unless phoenix/adept all-in
unlikely with +1 air
+1 air actually used to be part of that build. I mean I haven't seen it forever but I remember at the height of it people made +1 air to shrek the hydras harder.
Pili didn't have a twilight right ? Somehow I thought he had glaives researched. And it's definitely a carrier build now so we'll see how Elazer deals with it
On February 28 2017 04:36 [PkF] Wire wrote: Pili didn't have a twilight right ? Somehow I thought he had glaives researched. And it's definitely a carrier build now so we'll see how Elazer deals with it
On February 28 2017 04:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: double stargate, so carriers should get some screentime
Unless phoenix/adept all-in
unlikely with +1 air
+1 air actually used to be part of that build. I mean I haven't seen it forever but I remember at the height of it people made +1 air to shrek the hydras harder.
On February 28 2017 04:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: 1) skytoss does indeed look disgusting 2) I don't see what a +10 health to hydras will do to help
tbf you are supposed to get carapace upgrades on hydras so interceptors just tickle them, then health buff could help.
but in the end just nerf the fucking carrier. It's a 0 micro unit that literally nobody likes.
wait and see then
I don't think nobody likes the carrier. It's an iconic unit after all. But in sc2 it kept navigating between impractical and overpowered and I actually don't think you can find a sweet spot for this unit balance wise.
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