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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 14 2016 08:41 GMT
#441
On December 14 2016 17:39 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 17:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2016 17:35 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 17:33 Charoisaur wrote:
I think classics mistake was not making an oracle. observers just don't cut it vs lurkers, he lost so many units for free because he had no detection and then he had to use his robotics build time for obs instead of immos.

Yeah I thought we'd already established months ago that the optimal detection for lurkers is oracles. Then again after the first time he saw lurkers he didn't have much time to get a stargate.


He had the time to get 3 robos and power several cycles of immortals, so he could have gotten a stargate and oracles. I think he forgot considering the fact that he stuck to a single observer for so long after the lurkers were out.

I remember in HSC there were a bunch of late game PvPs were high level Protoss players died because Patience had a mothership and they only had one observer.

I feel like outside of PvT they just don't bother with multiple obs anymore.


I'm still waiting for PvP to become mass blink DT with blink stalkers to snipe observers.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 08:41:41
December 14 2016 08:41 GMT
#442
On December 14 2016 17:39 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 17:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2016 17:35 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 17:33 Charoisaur wrote:
I think classics mistake was not making an oracle. observers just don't cut it vs lurkers, he lost so many units for free because he had no detection and then he had to use his robotics build time for obs instead of immos.

Yeah I thought we'd already established months ago that the optimal detection for lurkers is oracles. Then again after the first time he saw lurkers he didn't have much time to get a stargate.


He had the time to get 3 robos and power several cycles of immortals, so he could have gotten a stargate and oracles. I think he forgot considering the fact that he stuck to a single observer for so long after the lurkers were out.

I remember in HSC there were a bunch of late game PvPs were high level Protoss players died because Patience had a mothership and they only had one observer.

I feel like outside of PvT they just don't bother with multiple obs anymore.

to be fair robo build time is really valuable.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 14 2016 08:42 GMT
#443
2 base immortal all in, is that you Parting?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 14 2016 08:43 GMT
#444
Old school map

Old school strats
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 14 2016 08:43 GMT
#445
On December 14 2016 17:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 17:39 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 17:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2016 17:35 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 17:33 Charoisaur wrote:
I think classics mistake was not making an oracle. observers just don't cut it vs lurkers, he lost so many units for free because he had no detection and then he had to use his robotics build time for obs instead of immos.

Yeah I thought we'd already established months ago that the optimal detection for lurkers is oracles. Then again after the first time he saw lurkers he didn't have much time to get a stargate.


He had the time to get 3 robos and power several cycles of immortals, so he could have gotten a stargate and oracles. I think he forgot considering the fact that he stuck to a single observer for so long after the lurkers were out.

I remember in HSC there were a bunch of late game PvPs were high level Protoss players died because Patience had a mothership and they only had one observer.

I feel like outside of PvT they just don't bother with multiple obs anymore.

to be fair robo build time is really valuable.


Pigbaby knew the way.

And this game is basically a LotV-updated version of every HotS PvZ on Overgrowth.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
December 14 2016 08:44 GMT
#446
imagine how easy this hold would've been if ByuL hadn't overdroned by around 12 workers
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
December 14 2016 08:45 GMT
#447
These ravager engagements are top notch
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
December 14 2016 08:47 GMT
#448
why do the casters think Byul is ahead? it's 2 base vs 2 base and that always favors toss
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
mCon.Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands891 Posts
December 14 2016 08:47 GMT
#449
Wtf is Byul doing.

just make sure that toss can't make a third...
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 14 2016 08:47 GMT
#450
This is a good series.

C'mon ByuL. Fight for the 2-0!
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mCon.Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands891 Posts
December 14 2016 08:48 GMT
#451
On December 14 2016 17:47 Charoisaur wrote:
why do the casters think Byul is ahead? it's 2 base vs 2 base and that always favors toss



Because he could take a third while Classic couldn't if Byul didn't threw his army into a protoss natural.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 14 2016 08:48 GMT
#452
On December 14 2016 17:47 Charoisaur wrote:
why do the casters think Byul is ahead? it's 2 base vs 2 base and that always favors toss


The army supplies favoured him enough that he was ahead before that attack into the pylons.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
December 14 2016 08:50 GMT
#453
Classic criminally misreading this game.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 14 2016 08:51 GMT
#454
Against ling/bane/ravager I don't really like disruptors that much
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 14 2016 08:51 GMT
#455
This is online, correct?
maru lover forever
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 14 2016 08:52 GMT
#456
On December 14 2016 17:51 Incognoto wrote:
This is online, correct?


No. In OGN studio.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 08:53:26
December 14 2016 08:53 GMT
#457
On December 14 2016 17:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 17:51 Incognoto wrote:
This is online, correct?


No. In OGN studio.


Nice!
maru lover forever
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 14 2016 08:54 GMT
#458
Great series so far!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 14 2016 08:54 GMT
#459
1-1,nice
maru lover forever
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
December 14 2016 08:54 GMT
#460
that was an amazing game
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