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On October 30 2016 14:02 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 14:00 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On October 30 2016 13:44 ionONE wrote:I agree with Hider. Sc2 casting feels like the movie Groundhog Day with Bill Murray you know the jokes, the humor, nobody is going out of there way to bring something interesting to the table ... everyone more or less agrees with each other. "Why do you think he will win, i just feel like it ... he is the best player" ... "Violet is very active on the korean ladder" eh cool? (games played, win rates = does that really make him "good"?!, trends) Montecristo or Thorin tend to challenge established views by well thought out arguments. Even if they are wrong, the result is an interesting discussion on the desk. The ability to analyse or predict at a deeper level, (chooses this map cause win rate is 90 % in the last 10 games beating bisu, stork and jangbi but he lost to stats for this reason, why is this map suiting the players style ... used buildorders, tendences, scouting pattern etc.) Forming an opinion on certain issues in the game and scene (The AWP Nerf) www.youtube.com While I agree with you about the caster's being predictable regarding humor and player's, I have to disagree about the deep analysis. Tasteless is great at deep analysis on maps and matchups. He also knows a lot about some player's preferred styles. Monte and Thorin may speak their minds a bit more freely, but they do not provide the deep analysis you mentioned in the same paragraph. Perhaps you weren't referring to those two when you mentioned deep analysis and deeper level of prediction, but it seemed like it. Honestly, I don't care what the casters say or do. I'm not watching these games because of them. I do enjoy some of their banter, and they provide some insight, but I watch these tournaments because of the nerd ballers wrecking keyboards and faces. Do I care that they pander to Blizzard and dare not speak against their overlords and masters? No. Do I care that they don't speak openly, and instead guard their words very carefully? No. But that is just me, and I am only one man. Probably meant to be Artosis there.
Lol yeah thanks, although Tasteless isn't exactly inept to the game. He does provide better comic relief than Geoff.
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are the vods out yet? 8:30am start time is too early
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We're watching the games we missed... it's such a treat to watch Snute beat people with BLM ... and such a terrible sight when it doesn't work 
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On October 30 2016 14:00 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Artosis is great at deep analysis on maps and matchups. He also knows a lot about some player's preferred styles.
Artosis will say stuff like .. "now if he doesn't get a robotics facility by the four and a half minute mark while on 2 bases it means "XXX" or "Marines can get 2-shotted unless they get upgraded due to blah blah blah" ..
or some such thing that i won't know immediately whereas a GM player probably will know these things.
i feel like Tasteless and Artosis include stuff in their casts that is helpful for every level of player. Silvers, Platinums, Masters and GMs are all really approaching the game very differently. This means that particularly vocal self absorbed egocentric players at level "X" will scream and yell that the cast does not cater enough towards them becase Tastosis will spend time catering to players not at whatever level they play the game at.
in a way the casters can never win no matter what they do. there will always be some group screaming they are not being catered to well enough.
in pro wrestling the hard core fans moan and bitch about absolutely everything non-stop. and guess what? they tune into Monday Night RAW every week for 3 hours to surrender 3 hours of their life to the WWE. its no wonder the WWE has decided to tune out these hard core people.. they never go away.. they never stop watching.. they never stop complaining.
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Can someone directly link me to the VODs please? The Blizzcon site won't load up for
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On October 30 2016 17:41 Edpayasugo wrote:
Can someone directly link me to the VODs please? The Blizzcon site won't load up for
Go to twitch.tv/starcraft, they should have all VODs up separately by now.
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On October 30 2016 09:34 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +
The "Koreans retiring" (or becoming irrelevant like Parting, for example) is more important. A smaller player pool means less training partners and therefore less variety in your training
So foreigners have a higher quality and pool of players? Obviously they don't, and that theory only supports the opposite, that foreigners should continue to get worse because they historically have had shit practice partners. Again you seem to be implying that I am not aware that koreans don't have as good conditions to improve as fast. No what is insanity in this discussion is implying that they are getting worse despite practicising.
I've never said that koreans became worse nor did I say anything about foreigners. Also I didn't say it's only important to have good practice partners in order to improve. It is of course but I emphasized the variety of training partners which challenges different areas of skill. With declining variety some areas wont be practiced and therefore become worse.
And again: I don't think that the skill-variety in Korea has shrinked enough to be impactful enough to let the skill of the Korean SC2 scene decline - yet.
Non-optimal conditions =/ you get worse when practicising.
I didn't say that, too. Non-optimal conditions (too few training variety) don't let you get worse per se. They do, if you're near the skill cap because your training quality/variety does get worse.
Oviously the skill of foreigners wasn't and still is not as near the to the skill cap as the Korean's. So they can improve faster as you said because they keep being challenged in a broad variety of areas of skill.
Show nested quote +In comparison to HotS it's hard to judge, if players in LotV are better or worse now because LotV still isn't figured out (and wont be soon because of big changes) so stuff doesn't get perfected as much yet. This is a discussion of mechanics.
Different ingame situations demand different mechanical skills. Hard multitasking isn't the same skill as intense micro. Intense stalker micro isn't the same as good disruptor micro. Microing Marines against Roach/Ravager is different to microing them agains ling/bling. So I'd say that another game does indeed differ in it's required mechanical skills.
Apart from that, I think it's just nonsense to take Torins claim about skill being only defined via mechanics as a foundation for a discussion about skill in SC2.
By this definition Marineking wouldn't have been the kong he was, NesTea wouldn't have been as successful, Innovation wouldn't have lost that GSL finals against Soulkey, Maru would've dominating even more and Goody wouldn't have been able to become a progamer.
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artosis and tasteless are the best casters to grace the game, by far
they break down the game for the layman who is tuning in for the first time, but they're also incredibly entertaining and good to listen to if you've been watching for a long time
best casters by very far
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Nerchio-TY game 2 was one of the best of the year!!
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On October 30 2016 20:04 opisska wrote:
Nerchio-TY game 2 was one of the best of the year!!
Yep high quality starcraft there :D
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So does anybody know how the ro8 bracket will be drawn? For example against who will Dark play? Second place of which group?
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On October 30 2016 21:09 Musicus wrote:
So does anybody know how the ro8 bracket will be drawn? For example against who will Dark play? Second playce of which group?
Nope, afaik they are yet to announce it.
On October 30 2016 20:04 opisska wrote:
Nerchio-TY game 2 was one of the best of the year!!
Reminded me of zest vs teaja in the same map. Great comeback but it's sad to see such a favourite player throw a game like that at the same time XD
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On October 30 2016 21:11 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 21:09 Musicus wrote:
So does anybody know how the ro8 bracket will be drawn? For example against who will Dark play? Second playce of which group? Nope, afaik they are yet to announce it.
Kinda weird, they should tell us beforehand, otherwise some people will scream rigged.
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On October 30 2016 21:26 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 21:11 Fango wrote:On October 30 2016 21:09 Musicus wrote:
So does anybody know how the ro8 bracket will be drawn? For example against who will Dark play? Second playce of which group? Nope, afaik they are yet to announce it. Kinda weird, they should tell us beforehand, otherwise some people will scream rigged.
I find it almost better when the bracket is not known while the Ro16 is played, so that the players don't gamble on second place to get a favourite opponent. Not that I am against this strategy, but they get unreasonable backlash for it and that I don't like.
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On October 30 2016 21:29 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 21:26 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 21:11 Fango wrote:On October 30 2016 21:09 Musicus wrote:
So does anybody know how the ro8 bracket will be drawn? For example against who will Dark play? Second playce of which group? Nope, afaik they are yet to announce it. Kinda weird, they should tell us beforehand, otherwise some people will scream rigged. I find it almost better when the bracket is not known while the Ro16 is played, so that the players don't gamble on second place to get a favourite opponent. Not that I am against this strategy, but they get unreasonable backlash for it and that I don't like.
If anyone would lose a match on purpose to get second plance instead of first, that would be so fucking crazy and risky, I would almost be okay with it, if a player had to balls to try it.
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On October 30 2016 21:32 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 21:29 opisska wrote:On October 30 2016 21:26 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 21:11 Fango wrote:On October 30 2016 21:09 Musicus wrote:
So does anybody know how the ro8 bracket will be drawn? For example against who will Dark play? Second playce of which group? Nope, afaik they are yet to announce it. Kinda weird, they should tell us beforehand, otherwise some people will scream rigged. I find it almost better when the bracket is not known while the Ro16 is played, so that the players don't gamble on second place to get a favourite opponent. Not that I am against this strategy, but they get unreasonable backlash for it and that I don't like. If anyone would lose a match on purpose to get second plance instead of first, that would be so fucking crazy and risky, I would almost be okay with it, if a player had to balls to try it.
Unfortunately, a lot other wouldn't, as evidenced by every situation ever someone was under such suspicion.
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On October 30 2016 21:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 21:32 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 21:29 opisska wrote:On October 30 2016 21:26 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 21:11 Fango wrote:On October 30 2016 21:09 Musicus wrote:
So does anybody know how the ro8 bracket will be drawn? For example against who will Dark play? Second playce of which group? Nope, afaik they are yet to announce it. Kinda weird, they should tell us beforehand, otherwise some people will scream rigged. I find it almost better when the bracket is not known while the Ro16 is played, so that the players don't gamble on second place to get a favourite opponent. Not that I am against this strategy, but they get unreasonable backlash for it and that I don't like. If anyone would lose a match on purpose to get second plance instead of first, that would be so fucking crazy and risky, I would almost be okay with it, if a player had to balls to try it. Unfortunately, a lot other wouldn't, as evidenced by every situation ever someone was under such suspicion.
Hm yeah, if it would really happen I would also not be happy I guess, but I'm just 100% sure that nobody would try this at blizzcon. At easier tournaments like DH, this would be a legit concern though.
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