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THATS A NEXUS FIRST OH WAIT HE HAS GATEWAY AND GAS
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Gonna be proxy Cyclone :D
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valdes is killin it tonight.
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Austria24422 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:47 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2016 18:44 Olli wrote:On August 21 2016 18:38 LongShot27 wrote:On August 21 2016 18:32 Olli wrote:On August 21 2016 18:29 LongShot27 wrote:On August 21 2016 18:24 Olli wrote:On August 21 2016 18:24 LongShot27 wrote:On August 21 2016 18:23 Olli wrote:
Well he wasn't behind so this wasn't a comeback He was way, way behind. Lost almost 10 probes on one base, never got his third, had to all in, won because states cant split for shit. He was always going to attack, and techwise he was massively ahead. That's perfectly fine. The dark shrine did essentially nothing as well, that alone balanced it out. It was always going to be a disruptor attack after gaining air control and proxying the robo bay. He lost 7 workers and a pylon powering his robo for 2 dt's. His attack was delayed for more than a minute while Stats was nearly full saturated on a third. MyungSik was incredibly far behind on the same tech. Disruptors are useless tech in PvP unless they unscouted which these were. MyungSik made the one play that could win him that game, and it worked. That's so, so wrong. Disruptors are AMAZING, they're an absolute game ender unless you can hard counter them, which you can only do with phoenixes or your own disruptors and blink. Stats had neither, because Myungsik had map control and Stats never intended to get blink. Even if they had been scouted, they'd have been very difficult to counter. The only reason why you don't see them nowadays is because you usually die to straight up attacks while teching to them. But Stats never had map control this game. Difficult to counter? Were you watching the game at all? He built mass adept, because he didn't see the disruptors, Had he scouted, even slightly he could have made 2 phoenixes, with the startgate he had, that would have been ready before Myungsik got to his base. He could have cut adepts and made pure immortal stalker with blink on the twilight HE ALREADY HAD. States had complete map control for the first 8 minutes of the game. Myungsik's entire army was three pheonixes, that did 0 harass. They did no harass because Stats stayed home with units in his mineral lines, as he should. That's what the phoenixes are for, that's why there were only three. And you can't just make stalkers and a few phoenixes, that'd be terrible. Myungsik had an adept/immortal army himself, that murders Stats if he just makes stalkers. And where exactly would the money for phoenixes come from, considering the dark shrine investment and continued immortal/stalker production? You make it sound like Stats was on fully flowing 6 gas economy the whole time. Anything Stats does, Myungsik can counter with his standing army and tech he has. Blink stalkers? Immortal/adept wins. Phoenixes? Not enough on the ground, and Myungsik can just keep making phoenixes with the air control he already has. You're saying he should have made a stalker/phoenix army, but that would have been a horrible choice here. And there wasn't enough money for stalkers, phoenixes, immortals AND adepts. Which is what he'd have needed here. Stats' best shot would have been to skip immortal production in favor of an almost pure adept/archon army and hope he can win with numbers. Phoenixes would be useless in that fight at least, and archons can tank a disruptor hit, as well as micro out of it much better. Are you telling me you actually think Blink stalker, immortal, archon, pheonix loses to mass adept, stalkers without blink, 2 disruptors, immortals and archons. Cause if you do, holy shit.
I'm telling you Stats couldn't have made that army, because he couldn't have. Where the hell does Stats take all that gas from?
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havent been watching much starcraft last 1½ month - can anyone explain why all the terrans seem to be going gas first harass builds tvp - never seems to work out - why not just open fe?
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On August 21 2016 18:50 Seedfan wrote:
havent been watching much starcraft last 1½ month - can anyone explain why all the terrans seem to be going gas first harass builds tvp - never seems to work out - why not just open fe?
because fuck playing vs mass adept
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I'm going to criticize the losing build and copy the winning one
and I'm zerg
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On August 21 2016 18:49 darklycid wrote:
Gonna be proxy Cyclone :D
More likely to make tanks at least after he sees sg as mass cyclone get hard countered by mass pheonix
e nvm I forgot marines
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On August 21 2016 18:50 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2016 18:47 LongShot27 wrote:On August 21 2016 18:44 Olli wrote:On August 21 2016 18:38 LongShot27 wrote:On August 21 2016 18:32 Olli wrote:On August 21 2016 18:29 LongShot27 wrote:On August 21 2016 18:24 Olli wrote:On August 21 2016 18:24 LongShot27 wrote:On August 21 2016 18:23 Olli wrote:
Well he wasn't behind so this wasn't a comeback He was way, way behind. Lost almost 10 probes on one base, never got his third, had to all in, won because states cant split for shit. He was always going to attack, and techwise he was massively ahead. That's perfectly fine. The dark shrine did essentially nothing as well, that alone balanced it out. It was always going to be a disruptor attack after gaining air control and proxying the robo bay. He lost 7 workers and a pylon powering his robo for 2 dt's. His attack was delayed for more than a minute while Stats was nearly full saturated on a third. MyungSik was incredibly far behind on the same tech. Disruptors are useless tech in PvP unless they unscouted which these were. MyungSik made the one play that could win him that game, and it worked. That's so, so wrong. Disruptors are AMAZING, they're an absolute game ender unless you can hard counter them, which you can only do with phoenixes or your own disruptors and blink. Stats had neither, because Myungsik had map control and Stats never intended to get blink. Even if they had been scouted, they'd have been very difficult to counter. The only reason why you don't see them nowadays is because you usually die to straight up attacks while teching to them. But Stats never had map control this game. Difficult to counter? Were you watching the game at all? He built mass adept, because he didn't see the disruptors, Had he scouted, even slightly he could have made 2 phoenixes, with the startgate he had, that would have been ready before Myungsik got to his base. He could have cut adepts and made pure immortal stalker with blink on the twilight HE ALREADY HAD. States had complete map control for the first 8 minutes of the game. Myungsik's entire army was three pheonixes, that did 0 harass. They did no harass because Stats stayed home with units in his mineral lines, as he should. That's what the phoenixes are for, that's why there were only three. And you can't just make stalkers and a few phoenixes, that'd be terrible. Myungsik had an adept/immortal army himself, that murders Stats if he just makes stalkers. And where exactly would the money for phoenixes come from, considering the dark shrine investment and continued immortal/stalker production? You make it sound like Stats was on fully flowing 6 gas economy the whole time. Anything Stats does, Myungsik can counter with his standing army and tech he has. Blink stalkers? Immortal/adept wins. Phoenixes? Not enough on the ground, and Myungsik can just keep making phoenixes with the air control he already has. You're saying he should have made a stalker/phoenix army, but that would have been a horrible choice here. And there wasn't enough money for stalkers, phoenixes, immortals AND adepts. Which is what he'd have needed here. Stats' best shot would have been to skip immortal production in favor of an almost pure adept/archon army and hope he can win with numbers. Phoenixes would be useless in that fight at least, and archons can tank a disruptor hit, as well as micro out of it much better. Are you telling me you actually think Blink stalker, immortal, archon, pheonix loses to mass adept, stalkers without blink, 2 disruptors, immortals and archons. Cause if you do, holy shit. I'm telling you Stats couldn't have made that army, because he couldn't have. Where the hell does Stats take all that gas from?
probably the 6 assimilators he had
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On August 21 2016 18:51 Penev wrote:
I'm going to criticize the losing build and copy the winning one
and I'm zerg
stargate is my favorite ZvZ opening, the muta noobs never expect it
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lmfao budget noah's ark, 1 of each
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Poll: Recommend TY vs Classic ?★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3) 11% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★★★ - Good game (9) 32% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (10) 36% ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (6) 21% 28 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Classic ? (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
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(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
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EPT
