EPTOn August 21 2016 18:42 darklycid wrote:
Maybe it worked vs soO but i feel like everything works vs soO nowadays
Maybe it worked vs soO but i feel like everything works vs soO nowadays
harsh but fair criticism unfortunately
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Penev
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harsh but fair criticism unfortunately | ||
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blamekilly
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Seedfan
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On August 21 2016 18:42 LongShot27 wrote: Do you all actually think he was going to mass cyclones from the start? It's pretty obvious he was going to mech that game, but the early ling pressure really fucked him over. He just started making units and hoped for a macro game. ? It was pretty obvious that he was going to do a hellion cyclone timing. Getting run over early on by lings didnt influence that decision | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:38 LongShot27 wrote: Difficult to counter? Were you watching the game at all? He built mass adept, because he didn't see the disruptors, Had he scouted, even slightly he could have made 2 phoenixes, with the startgate he had, that would have been ready before Myungsik got to his base. He could have cut adepts and made pure immortal stalker with blink on the twilight HE ALREADY HAD. States had complete map control for the first 8 minutes of the game. Myungsik's entire army was three pheonixes, that did 0 harass. They did no harass because Stats stayed home with units in his mineral lines, as he should. That's what the phoenixes are for, that's why there were only three. And you can't just make stalkers and a few phoenixes, that'd be terrible. Myungsik had an adept/immortal army himself, that murders Stats if he just makes stalkers. And where exactly would the money for phoenixes come from, considering the dark shrine investment and continued immortal/stalker production + blink research? You make it sound like Stats was on fully flowing 6 gas economy the whole time. Anything Stats does, Myungsik can counter with his standing army and tech he has. Blink stalkers? Immortal/adept wins. Phoenixes? Not enough on the ground, and Myungsik can just keep making phoenixes with the air control he already has. You're saying he should have made a stalker/phoenix army, but that would have been a horrible choice here. And there wasn't enough money for stalkers, phoenixes, immortals AND adepts. Which is what he'd have needed here. Stats' best shot would have been to skip immortal production in favor of an almost pure adept/archon army and hope he can win with numbers. Phoenixes would be useless in that fight at least, and archons can tank a disruptor hit, as well as micro out of it much better. And this is if he scouts disruptors. As it was, Myungsik was most definitely was not behind. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:43 Seedfan wrote: ? It was pretty obvious that he was going to do a hellion cyclone timing. Getting run over early on by lings didnt influence that decision It sure influenced the decision to build 15 cyclones. | ||
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Durnuu
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
viewers: omgwtf was that duz Dream even play. hes dreaming he playin in test mapzlawlzors" *new strategy owns* viewers: HOLY SHIET CANT WAIT TO TRY THIS OUT ON SILVER LEAGUE LADDER DREAM IS UHMAzinggggggGGG stfu noobs | ||
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Seedfan
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:45 sc2chronic wrote: *new strategy doesnt work* viewers: omgwtf was that duz Dream even play. hes dreaming he playin in test mapzlawlzors" *new strategy owns* viewers: HOLY SHIET CANT WAIT TO TRY THIS OUT ON SILVER LEAGUE LADDER DREAM IS UHMAzinggggggGGG stfu noobs Good arguments. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:44 LongShot27 wrote: It sure influenced the decision to build 15 cyclones. The old Elfi 'if an all-in doesn't succeed, just continue' | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:45 sc2chronic wrote: *new strategy doesnt work* viewers: omgwtf was that duz Dream even play. hes dreaming he playin in test mapzlawlzors" *new strategy owns* viewers: HOLY SHIET CANT WAIT TO TRY THIS OUT ON SILVER LEAGUE LADDER DREAM IS UHMAzinggggggGGG stfu noobs you seem a bit triggered. that is good | ||
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Penev
28512 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:44 Durnuu wrote: I expect TY to win that one considering how Classic vs GuMiho went. It's not TvT tho More importantly TL writer predicted just that | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:44 Olli wrote: They did no harass because Stats stayed home with units in his mineral lines, as he should. That's what the phoenixes are for, that's why there were only three. And you can't just make stalkers and a few phoenixes, that'd be terrible. Myungsik had an adept/immortal army himself, that murders Stats if he just makes stalkers. And where exactly would the money for phoenixes come from, considering the dark shrine investment and continued immortal/stalker production? You make it sound like Stats was on fully flowing 6 gas economy the whole time. Anything Stats does, Myungsik can counter with his standing army and tech he has. Blink stalkers? Immortal/adept wins. Phoenixes? Not enough on the ground, and Myungsik can just keep making phoenixes with the air control he already has. You're saying he should have made a stalker/phoenix army, but that would have been a horrible choice here. And there wasn't enough money for stalkers, phoenixes, immortals AND adepts. Which is what he'd have needed here. Stats' best shot would have been to skip immortal production in favor of an almost pure adept/archon army and hope he can win with numbers. Phoenixes would be useless in that fight at least, and archons can tank a disruptor hit, as well as micro out of it much better. Are you telling me you actually think Blink stalker, immortal, archon, pheonix loses to mass adept, stalkers without blink, 2 disruptors, immortals and archons. Cause if you do, holy shit. | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:45 sc2chronic wrote: *new strategy doesnt work* viewers: omgwtf was that duz Dream even play. hes dreaming he playin in test mapzlawlzors" *new strategy owns* viewers: HOLY SHIET CANT WAIT TO TRY THIS OUT ON SILVER LEAGUE LADDER DREAM IS UHMAzinggggggGGG stfu noobs salty much? | ||
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Ej_
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MLuneth
Australia557 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:45 sc2chronic wrote: *new strategy doesnt work* viewers: omgwtf was that duz Dream even play. hes dreaming he playin in test mapzlawlzors" *new strategy owns* viewers: HOLY SHIET CANT WAIT TO TRY THIS OUT ON SILVER LEAGUE LADDER DREAM IS UHMAzinggggggGGG stfu noobs Hey bro I'll have you know that I'm masters and I'm gonna try all of Myungsik builds, not just the noobs who're like this lmao but I get the feeling you don't ladder much at all  | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On August 21 2016 18:47 Ej_ wrote: I don't understand the argument that Dream's build was good in anyway. I thought we had established that all mech builds vs Zerg are shit. The build wasn't good, he lost the game to the zergling harass at the beginning, tilted a bit and just didn't know exactly what to do. | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1711 Posts
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Seedfan
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