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On August 21 2016 19:02 LongShot27 wrote:
Im done, your ignorance is straight up shocking. Enjoy your day.
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On August 21 2016 19:00 Olli wrote:
You said earlier you'd want a blink stalker, immortal, archon, phoenix army, so let's do the math. 50 gas per stalker, 150 for blink, 100 for resonating glaives, 150 for the dark shrine, 100 gas for each immortal, 100 gas for each phoenix. Keep in mind he'd have to have more than 3 phoenixes, otherwise Myungsik just has air control even without producing more phoenixes himself. That's 400 gas at least. Stalkers are useless in low numbers, so let's say instead of 10 adepts, he makes 10 stalkers. That's 500 gas. Now how many archons and immortals would you like in that army? It's at least 250 gas for one archon.
This isn't even counting the extremely high mineral cost of that army. Seriously, you're talking about something that's almost a 4 base army.
On August 21 2016 18:55 LongShot27 wrote:
Stargate was already built, twilight was already built. 350 gas. Make 10 less adepts and make stalkers instead. Which he could do if he didn't scout like an idiot.
On August 21 2016 18:53 Olli wrote:
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You're arguing as if he'd had them running the entire time, which he didn't.
On August 21 2016 18:51 LongShot27 wrote:
probably the 6 assimilators he had
On August 21 2016 18:50 Olli wrote:
I'm telling you Stats couldn't have made that army, because he couldn't have. Where the hell does Stats take all that gas from?
On August 21 2016 18:47 LongShot27 wrote:
Are you telling me you actually think Blink stalker, immortal, archon, pheonix loses to mass adept, stalkers without blink, 2 disruptors, immortals and archons. Cause if you do, holy shit.
On August 21 2016 18:44 Olli wrote:
They did no harass because Stats stayed home with units in his mineral lines, as he should. That's what the phoenixes are for, that's why there were only three. And you can't just make stalkers and a few phoenixes, that'd be terrible. Myungsik had an adept/immortal army himself, that murders Stats if he just makes stalkers. And where exactly would the money for phoenixes come from, considering the dark shrine investment and continued immortal/stalker production? You make it sound like Stats was on fully flowing 6 gas economy the whole time.
Anything Stats does, Myungsik can counter with his standing army and tech he has. Blink stalkers? Immortal/adept wins. Phoenixes? Not enough on the ground, and Myungsik can just keep making phoenixes with the air control he already has.
You're saying he should have made a stalker/phoenix army, but that would have been a horrible choice here. And there wasn't enough money for stalkers, phoenixes, immortals AND adepts. Which is what he'd have needed here. Stats' best shot would have been to skip immortal production in favor of an almost pure adept/archon army and hope he can win with numbers. Phoenixes would be useless in that fight at least, and archons can tank a disruptor hit, as well as micro out of it much better.
On August 21 2016 18:38 LongShot27 wrote:
Difficult to counter? Were you watching the game at all? He built mass adept, because he didn't see the disruptors, Had he scouted, even slightly he could have made 2 phoenixes, with the startgate he had, that would have been ready before Myungsik got to his base. He could have cut adepts and made pure immortal stalker with blink on the twilight HE ALREADY HAD. States had complete map control for the first 8 minutes of the game. Myungsik's entire army was three pheonixes, that did 0 harass.
On August 21 2016 18:32 Olli wrote:
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That's so, so wrong. Disruptors are AMAZING, they're an absolute game ender unless you can hard counter them, which you can only do with phoenixes or your own disruptors and blink. Stats had neither, because Myungsik had map control and Stats never intended to get blink.
Even if they had been scouted, they'd have been very difficult to counter. The only reason why you don't see them nowadays is because you usually die to straight up attacks while teching to them. But Stats never had map control this game.
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That's so, so wrong. Disruptors are AMAZING, they're an absolute game ender unless you can hard counter them, which you can only do with phoenixes or your own disruptors and blink. Stats had neither, because Myungsik had map control and Stats never intended to get blink.
Even if they had been scouted, they'd have been very difficult to counter. The only reason why you don't see them nowadays is because you usually die to straight up attacks while teching to them. But Stats never had map control this game.
Difficult to counter? Were you watching the game at all? He built mass adept, because he didn't see the disruptors, Had he scouted, even slightly he could have made 2 phoenixes, with the startgate he had, that would have been ready before Myungsik got to his base. He could have cut adepts and made pure immortal stalker with blink on the twilight HE ALREADY HAD. States had complete map control for the first 8 minutes of the game. Myungsik's entire army was three pheonixes, that did 0 harass.
They did no harass because Stats stayed home with units in his mineral lines, as he should. That's what the phoenixes are for, that's why there were only three. And you can't just make stalkers and a few phoenixes, that'd be terrible. Myungsik had an adept/immortal army himself, that murders Stats if he just makes stalkers. And where exactly would the money for phoenixes come from, considering the dark shrine investment and continued immortal/stalker production? You make it sound like Stats was on fully flowing 6 gas economy the whole time.
Anything Stats does, Myungsik can counter with his standing army and tech he has. Blink stalkers? Immortal/adept wins. Phoenixes? Not enough on the ground, and Myungsik can just keep making phoenixes with the air control he already has.
You're saying he should have made a stalker/phoenix army, but that would have been a horrible choice here. And there wasn't enough money for stalkers, phoenixes, immortals AND adepts. Which is what he'd have needed here. Stats' best shot would have been to skip immortal production in favor of an almost pure adept/archon army and hope he can win with numbers. Phoenixes would be useless in that fight at least, and archons can tank a disruptor hit, as well as micro out of it much better.
Are you telling me you actually think Blink stalker, immortal, archon, pheonix loses to mass adept, stalkers without blink, 2 disruptors, immortals and archons. Cause if you do, holy shit.
I'm telling you Stats couldn't have made that army, because he couldn't have. Where the hell does Stats take all that gas from?
probably the 6 assimilators he had
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You're arguing as if he'd had them running the entire time, which he didn't.
Stargate was already built, twilight was already built. 350 gas. Make 10 less adepts and make stalkers instead. Which he could do if he didn't scout like an idiot.
You said earlier you'd want a blink stalker, immortal, archon, phoenix army, so let's do the math. 50 gas per stalker, 150 for blink, 100 for resonating glaives, 150 for the dark shrine, 100 gas for each immortal, 100 gas for each phoenix. Keep in mind he'd have to have more than 3 phoenixes, otherwise Myungsik just has air control even without producing more phoenixes himself. That's 400 gas at least. Stalkers are useless in low numbers, so let's say instead of 10 adepts, he makes 10 stalkers. That's 500 gas. Now how many archons and immortals would you like in that army? It's at least 250 gas for one archon.
This isn't even counting the extremely high mineral cost of that army. Seriously, you're talking about something that's almost a 4 base army.
Im done, your ignorance is straight up shocking. Enjoy your day.
I too hate it when reasonable arguments ruin my day
