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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16085 Posts
May 16 2016 11:36 GMT
#4341
On May 16 2016 20:35 Gwavajuice wrote:
Ok Polt did a good run considering his current level, but it has to stop at some point.

It would have been an embarrassment if he got to the finals.


Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:23 Thezzy wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:21 Incognoto wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:20 Alchemik wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:19 Incognoto wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:17 Incognoto wrote:
how much armor do 3 amor + plating ultralisks have?

8 i think


so basically 3+3 marines do

1 damage per shot (3+3 marines have 9 attack, right?) :/

not sure about marauders, but 2 attacks mean that there is a 16 reduction in attack as well


so basically bio does nothing to ultralisks

yes, marines don't do much, that's been established since the first day of beta

what else is new?


actually i think that in hots and before, ultras has less than 8 armor

even if they had 7 armor instead (which is only -1), suddenly marine dps vs ultras is doubled. that's hardly something you can neglect

e: i'm not whining >_< just trying to grasp some numbers that's all. literally the only unit stats i know are cost and the attack marines have. that's IT


Before a fully upgraded Ultralisk had 6 armor, same as fully upgraded Battlecruiser.
Which meant Marine shots did 3 damage. Marauders had a single attack which was 26 damage vs Armored, so 20 vs an Ultralisk.

so marauders used to do 10x the amount of damage to ultralisks before lotv. wow


I think you're forgetting the bonus vs armored, fully upgraded marauders do 8 + 5 twice against amoured units, so basically 10 dmg per attack (instead of 20) (edit : against ultra, I mean)

Actually marauders are still totally relevant against ultra, if you have enough space to kite...

not if zerg has fungals
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 16 2016 11:37 GMT
#4342
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
May 16 2016 11:38 GMT
#4343
good one by Showtime
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
May 16 2016 11:38 GMT
#4344
On May 16 2016 20:36 Infiiiniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:35 Alchemik wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days.
It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD

of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't


No not really. Ultras can be killed with the right tools. Right now, the transition is incredibly hard for terran. That's a design flaw imo, not balance necessarily.

what he's saying is that the game is over once you get ultras and it's very, very easy to get ultras, both of which are complete bullshit
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 16 2016 11:38 GMT
#4345
On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good

"just don't move out, don't move out, don't move out..." - Showtime's internal monologue
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
May 16 2016 11:38 GMT
#4346
Nice banter
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
May 16 2016 11:38 GMT
#4347
On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good

is that like the Starcraft version of "imagine they're all naked"?
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
May 16 2016 11:38 GMT
#4348
On May 16 2016 20:33 Incognoto wrote:
I'm looking over marauder stats, I have no idea how they calculate damage

Base:
5 (+1) (x2) = 12

Bonus:
+5 vs Armored

So vs Armored it's:
5+6 (x2) = 22

With +3 it becomes:

So vs Armored it's:
5+3+6 (x2) = 28

Right?


The +1 is the damage bonus you get from upgrades.
Marauders do 5 damage, +5 against Armored, twice.
So vs a Roach with 0 upgrades they do 10 damage, then reduced by armor.
Upgrades only give +1 so +3 means its 8 damage, + 5 against armored, twice.
That is 13x2 = 26, like the old damage but on two attacks.
Ultra has 8 armor and gets hit twice, so its 26 - 16 = 10 damage from a +3 Marauder per volley.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
May 16 2016 11:38 GMT
#4349
On May 16 2016 20:38 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good

is that like the Starcraft version of "imagine they're all naked"?

wtf
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 16 2016 11:39 GMT
#4350
On May 16 2016 20:38 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good

"just don't move out, don't move out, don't move out..." - Showtime's internal monologue

i want to make a flowchart representing showtime's decision making
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 16 2016 11:39 GMT
#4351
On May 16 2016 20:38 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good

is that like the Starcraft version of "imagine they're all naked"?

yes
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Tankz123
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark228 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 11:52:06
May 16 2016 11:39 GMT
#4352
go masa!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 16 2016 11:40 GMT
#4353
"I think I'm kinda a defensive player"


no fucking shit
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
May 16 2016 11:40 GMT
#4354
Why are the other casters shitting on Nate so much? It's kind of disgusting they bring up Nate's stream when Nate's casting in official capacity is very balanced. Maybe they're threatened by Nate's level of play-by-play casting ability.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
May 16 2016 11:40 GMT
#4355
On May 16 2016 20:40 Ej_ wrote:
"I think I'm kinda a defensive player"


no fucking shit

euphemism
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
May 16 2016 11:41 GMT
#4356
On May 16 2016 20:36 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are they spacing out these matches so much

why is this on a monday fucking hell


Class in 1h...

Plus all broadcasts started at 6~7am for me lol
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 16 2016 11:41 GMT
#4357
On May 16 2016 20:40 plogamer wrote:
Why are the other casters shitting on Nate so much? It's kind of disgusting they bring up Nate's stream when Nate's casting in official capacity is very balanced. Maybe they're threatened by Nate's level of play-by-play casting ability.

because most of the time on his stream he complains about ultralisks and it shows in his casts sometimes
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16085 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 11:42:46
May 16 2016 11:42 GMT
#4358
On May 16 2016 20:41 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:40 plogamer wrote:
Why are the other casters shitting on Nate so much? It's kind of disgusting they bring up Nate's stream when Nate's casting in official capacity is very balanced. Maybe they're threatened by Nate's level of play-by-play casting ability.

because most of the time on his stream he complains about ultralisks and it shows in his casts sometimes

to be fair, it's hard not to complain about ultras
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 16 2016 11:42 GMT
#4359
oh damn poopi has been temp banned
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
May 16 2016 11:42 GMT
#4360
On May 16 2016 20:38 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:36 Infiiiniity wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:35 Alchemik wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days.
It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD

of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't


No not really. Ultras can be killed with the right tools. Right now, the transition is incredibly hard for terran. That's a design flaw imo, not balance necessarily.

what he's saying is that the game is over once you get ultras and it's very, very easy to get ultras, both of which are complete bullshit


What. He never said it's "very, very easy to get ultras". He did not even imply it.
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