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On May 16 2016 20:35 Gwavajuice wrote:Ok Polt did a good run considering his current level, but it has to stop at some point. It would have been an embarrassment if he got to the finals. Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On May 16 2016 20:23 Thezzy wrote:On May 16 2016 20:21 Incognoto wrote:On May 16 2016 20:20 Alchemik wrote:On May 16 2016 20:19 Incognoto wrote:On May 16 2016 20:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On May 16 2016 20:17 Incognoto wrote:
how much armor do 3 amor + plating ultralisks have? 8 i think so basically 3+3 marines do 1 damage per shot (3+3 marines have 9 attack, right?) :/ not sure about marauders, but 2 attacks mean that there is a 16 reduction in attack as well so basically bio does nothing to ultralisks yes, marines don't do much, that's been established since the first day of beta what else is new? actually i think that in hots and before, ultras has less than 8 armor even if they had 7 armor instead (which is only -1), suddenly marine dps vs ultras is doubled. that's hardly something you can neglect e: i'm not whining >_< just trying to grasp some numbers that's all. literally the only unit stats i know are cost and the attack marines have. that's IT Before a fully upgraded Ultralisk had 6 armor, same as fully upgraded Battlecruiser. Which meant Marine shots did 3 damage. Marauders had a single attack which was 26 damage vs Armored, so 20 vs an Ultralisk. so marauders used to do 10x the amount of damage to ultralisks before lotv. wow I think you're forgetting the bonus vs armored, fully upgraded marauders do 8 + 5 twice against amoured units, so basically 10 dmg per attack (instead of 20) (edit : against ultra, I mean) Actually marauders are still totally relevant against ultra, if you have enough space to kite...
not if zerg has fungals
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showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good
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On May 16 2016 20:36 Infiiiniity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:35 Alchemik wrote:On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine  Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days. It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't No not really. Ultras can be killed with the right tools. Right now, the transition is incredibly hard for terran. That's a design flaw imo, not balance necessarily.
what he's saying is that the game is over once you get ultras and it's very, very easy to get ultras, both of which are complete bullshit
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On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good
"just don't move out, don't move out, don't move out..." - Showtime's internal monologue
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Nice banter
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On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good
is that like the Starcraft version of "imagine they're all naked"?
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On May 16 2016 20:33 Incognoto wrote:
I'm looking over marauder stats, I have no idea how they calculate damage
Base:
5 (+1) (x2) = 12
Bonus:
+5 vs Armored
So vs Armored it's:
5+6 (x2) = 22
With +3 it becomes:
So vs Armored it's:
5+3+6 (x2) = 28
Right?
The +1 is the damage bonus you get from upgrades.
Marauders do 5 damage, +5 against Armored, twice.
So vs a Roach with 0 upgrades they do 10 damage, then reduced by armor.
Upgrades only give +1 so +3 means its 8 damage, + 5 against armored, twice.
That is 13x2 = 26, like the old damage but on two attacks.
Ultra has 8 armor and gets hit twice, so its 26 - 16 = 10 damage from a +3 Marauder per volley.
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On May 16 2016 20:38 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good is that like the Starcraft version of "imagine they're all naked"?
wtf
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On May 16 2016 20:38 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good "just don't move out, don't move out, don't move out..." - Showtime's internal monologue
i want to make a flowchart representing showtime's decision making
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On May 16 2016 20:38 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:37 Makro wrote:
showtime just has to think of masa as a zerg and everything will be good is that like the Starcraft version of "imagine they're all naked"?
yes
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"I think I'm kinda a defensive player"
no fucking shit
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Why are the other casters shitting on Nate so much? It's kind of disgusting they bring up Nate's stream when Nate's casting in official capacity is very balanced. Maybe they're threatened by Nate's level of play-by-play casting ability.
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On May 16 2016 20:40 Ej_ wrote:
"I think I'm kinda a defensive player"
no fucking shit
euphemism
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On May 16 2016 20:36 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are they spacing out these matches so much
why is this on a monday fucking hell
Class in 1h... 
Plus all broadcasts started at 6~7am for me lol
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On May 16 2016 20:40 plogamer wrote:
Why are the other casters shitting on Nate so much? It's kind of disgusting they bring up Nate's stream when Nate's casting in official capacity is very balanced. Maybe they're threatened by Nate's level of play-by-play casting ability.
because most of the time on his stream he complains about ultralisks and it shows in his casts sometimes
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On May 16 2016 20:41 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:40 plogamer wrote:
Why are the other casters shitting on Nate so much? It's kind of disgusting they bring up Nate's stream when Nate's casting in official capacity is very balanced. Maybe they're threatened by Nate's level of play-by-play casting ability. because most of the time on his stream he complains about ultralisks and it shows in his casts sometimes
to be fair, it's hard not to complain about ultras
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oh damn poopi has been temp banned
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On May 16 2016 20:38 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:36 Infiiiniity wrote:On May 16 2016 20:35 Alchemik wrote:On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days. It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't No not really. Ultras can be killed with the right tools. Right now, the transition is incredibly hard for terran. That's a design flaw imo, not balance necessarily. what he's saying is that the game is over once you get ultras and it's very, very easy to get ultras, both of which are complete bullshit
What. He never said it's "very, very easy to get ultras". He did not even imply it.
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EPT
