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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 16 2016 11:26 GMT
#4321
On May 16 2016 20:23 Thezzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:21 Incognoto wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:20 Alchemik wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:19 Incognoto wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:17 Incognoto wrote:
how much armor do 3 amor + plating ultralisks have?

8 i think


so basically 3+3 marines do

1 damage per shot (3+3 marines have 9 attack, right?) :/

not sure about marauders, but 2 attacks mean that there is a 16 reduction in attack as well


so basically bio does nothing to ultralisks

yes, marines don't do much, that's been established since the first day of beta

what else is new?


actually i think that in hots and before, ultras has less than 8 armor

even if they had 7 armor instead (which is only -1), suddenly marine dps vs ultras is doubled. that's hardly something you can neglect

e: i'm not whining >_< just trying to grasp some numbers that's all. literally the only unit stats i know are cost and the attack marines have. that's IT


Before a fully upgraded Ultralisk had 6 armor, same as fully upgraded Battlecruiser.
Which meant Marine shots did 3 damage. Marauders had a single attack which was 26 damage vs Armored, so 20 vs an Ultralisk.


holy cow

that is absolutely enormous lol

maru lover forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 16 2016 11:27 GMT
#4322
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
May 16 2016 11:27 GMT
#4323
It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now....

Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 16 2016 11:27 GMT
#4324
On May 16 2016 20:24 Jer99 wrote:
Why is this on on a Monday :/


it's holiday in france, that's why

it doesn't make sense though, would have been better to finish this yeserday
maru lover forever
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
May 16 2016 11:27 GMT
#4325
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

Then pls focus on the liberator
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 16 2016 11:28 GMT
#4326
On May 16 2016 20:27 kaykoose wrote:
It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now....


well you should start to relativise a bit, he just made a semi final right now

that's far from being a bad result (without considering bracket luck etc of course)
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 16 2016 11:29 GMT
#4327
When do they announce the starting line up for tomorrow's Proleague?
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19371 Posts
May 16 2016 11:29 GMT
#4328
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

This is how one survives 4 gas/late game zerg.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SK_Terran
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 16 2016 11:30 GMT
#4329
On May 16 2016 20:27 kaykoose wrote:
It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now....


he's getting old man, which reminds me when is he doing his military service?
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 11:30:34
May 16 2016 11:30 GMT
#4330
On May 16 2016 20:29 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

This is how one survives 4 gas/late game zerg.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SK_Terran

is there a single Terran anymore that does it without getting plagued to death?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
May 16 2016 11:30 GMT
#4331
On May 16 2016 20:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:27 kaykoose wrote:
It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now....


he's getting old man, which reminds me when is he doing his military service?


well not that soon, his contract with envy is for serveral years
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13011 Posts
May 16 2016 11:30 GMT
#4332
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days.
It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD
WriterMaru
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 11:32:02
May 16 2016 11:31 GMT
#4333
On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days.
It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD

maek lib


ofc its easy to survive to ultras, thats why all zergs in korea die during the hive transition
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 11:34:29
May 16 2016 11:32 GMT
#4334
On May 16 2016 20:27 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:24 Jer99 wrote:
Why is this on on a Monday :/


it's holiday in france, that's why

it doesn't make sense though, would have been better to finish this yeserday

most of europe too, i think. no clue about murica and others.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 16 2016 11:33 GMT
#4335
I'm looking over marauder stats, I have no idea how they calculate damage

Base:
5 (+1) (x2) = 12

Bonus:
+5 vs Armored

So vs Armored it's:
5+6 (x2) = 22

With +3 it becomes:

So vs Armored it's:
5+3+6 (x2) = 28

Right?
maru lover forever
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19371 Posts
May 16 2016 11:34 GMT
#4336
On May 16 2016 20:30 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:29 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

This is how one survives 4 gas/late game zerg.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SK_Terran

is there a single Terran anymore that does it without getting plagued to death?

It's certainly not as common as mech switching, but I think that's because the build is so intense. But there are still games where SK Terran is very successful. I believe Hiya was the last player to win with the build earlier this year. Hiya doesn't like to play traditional TvZ.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 11:36:18
May 16 2016 11:35 GMT
#4337
Ok Polt did a good run considering his current level, but it has to stop at some point.

It would have been an embarrassment if he got to the finals.


On May 16 2016 20:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:23 Thezzy wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:21 Incognoto wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:20 Alchemik wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:19 Incognoto wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:17 Incognoto wrote:
how much armor do 3 amor + plating ultralisks have?

8 i think


so basically 3+3 marines do

1 damage per shot (3+3 marines have 9 attack, right?) :/

not sure about marauders, but 2 attacks mean that there is a 16 reduction in attack as well


so basically bio does nothing to ultralisks

yes, marines don't do much, that's been established since the first day of beta

what else is new?


actually i think that in hots and before, ultras has less than 8 armor

even if they had 7 armor instead (which is only -1), suddenly marine dps vs ultras is doubled. that's hardly something you can neglect

e: i'm not whining >_< just trying to grasp some numbers that's all. literally the only unit stats i know are cost and the attack marines have. that's IT


Before a fully upgraded Ultralisk had 6 armor, same as fully upgraded Battlecruiser.
Which meant Marine shots did 3 damage. Marauders had a single attack which was 26 damage vs Armored, so 20 vs an Ultralisk.

so marauders used to do 10x the amount of damage to ultralisks before lotv. wow


I think you're forgetting the bonus vs armored, fully upgraded marauders do 8 + 5 twice against amoured units, so basically 10 dmg per attack (instead of 20) (edit : against ultra, I mean)

Actually marauders are still totally relevant against ultra, if you have enough space to kite...
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
May 16 2016 11:35 GMT
#4338
On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days.
It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD

of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't
Infiiiniity
Profile Joined April 2015
45 Posts
May 16 2016 11:36 GMT
#4339
On May 16 2016 20:35 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table

there's a couple of answers there

- push properly
- transition harder
- macro properly before so you can have liberators

Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine
Nothing has changed it seems

Pls stop balance whining

It's not balance whine it's design whining

it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die

both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV

Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days.
It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD

of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't


No not really. Ultras can be killed with the right tools. Right now, the transition is incredibly hard for terran. That's a design flaw imo, not balance necessarily.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 16 2016 11:36 GMT
#4340
why are they spacing out these matches so much

why is this on a monday fucking hell
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