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On May 16 2016 20:23 Thezzy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:21 Incognoto wrote:On May 16 2016 20:20 Alchemik wrote:On May 16 2016 20:19 Incognoto wrote:On May 16 2016 20:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On May 16 2016 20:17 Incognoto wrote:
how much armor do 3 amor + plating ultralisks have? 8 i think so basically 3+3 marines do 1 damage per shot (3+3 marines have 9 attack, right?) :/ not sure about marauders, but 2 attacks mean that there is a 16 reduction in attack as well so basically bio does nothing to ultralisks yes, marines don't do much, that's been established since the first day of beta what else is new? actually i think that in hots and before, ultras has less than 8 armor even if they had 7 armor instead (which is only -1), suddenly marine dps vs ultras is doubled. that's hardly something you can neglect e: i'm not whining >_< just trying to grasp some numbers that's all. literally the only unit stats i know are cost and the attack marines have. that's IT Before a fully upgraded Ultralisk had 6 armor, same as fully upgraded Battlecruiser. Which meant Marine shots did 3 damage. Marauders had a single attack which was 26 damage vs Armored, so 20 vs an Ultralisk.
holy cow
that is absolutely enormous lol
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On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine  Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining
it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die
both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV
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It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now.... 
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On May 16 2016 20:24 Jer99 wrote:
Why is this on on a Monday :/
it's holiday in france, that's why
it doesn't make sense though, would have been better to finish this yeserday
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On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining
Then pls focus on the liberator
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On May 16 2016 20:27 kaykoose wrote:It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now....
well you should start to relativise a bit, he just made a semi final right now
that's far from being a bad result (without considering bracket luck etc of course)
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When do they announce the starting line up for tomorrow's Proleague?
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV
This is how one survives 4 gas/late game zerg.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SK_Terran
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On May 16 2016 20:27 kaykoose wrote:It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now....
he's getting old man, which reminds me when is he doing his military service?
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On May 16 2016 20:29 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV This is how one survives 4 gas/late game zerg. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SK_Terran
is there a single Terran anymore that does it without getting plagued to death?
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On May 16 2016 20:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:27 kaykoose wrote:It might be time to stop saying Polt is "playing bad." Maybe he's just bad now.... he's getting old man, which reminds me when is he doing his military service?
well not that soon, his contract with envy is for serveral years
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France12905 Posts
On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV
Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days.
It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD
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On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days. It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD
maek lib
ofc its easy to survive to ultras, thats why all zergs in korea die during the hive transition
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On May 16 2016 20:27 Incognoto wrote:it's holiday in france, that's why it doesn't make sense though, would have been better to finish this yeserday
most of europe too, i think. no clue about murica and others.
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I'm looking over marauder stats, I have no idea how they calculate damage
Base:
5 (+1) (x2) = 12
Bonus:
+5 vs Armored
So vs Armored it's:
5+6 (x2) = 22
With +3 it becomes:
So vs Armored it's:
5+3+6 (x2) = 28
Right?
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
On May 16 2016 20:30 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:29 BisuDagger wrote:On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV This is how one survives 4 gas/late game zerg. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SK_Terran is there a single Terran anymore that does it without getting plagued to death?
It's certainly not as common as mech switching, but I think that's because the build is so intense. But there are still games where SK Terran is very successful. I believe Hiya was the last player to win with the build earlier this year. Hiya doesn't like to play traditional TvZ.
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Ok Polt did a good run considering his current level, but it has to stop at some point.
It would have been an embarrassment if he got to the finals.
On May 16 2016 20:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:23 Thezzy wrote:On May 16 2016 20:21 Incognoto wrote:On May 16 2016 20:20 Alchemik wrote:On May 16 2016 20:19 Incognoto wrote:On May 16 2016 20:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On May 16 2016 20:17 Incognoto wrote:
how much armor do 3 amor + plating ultralisks have? 8 i think so basically 3+3 marines do 1 damage per shot (3+3 marines have 9 attack, right?) :/ not sure about marauders, but 2 attacks mean that there is a 16 reduction in attack as well so basically bio does nothing to ultralisks yes, marines don't do much, that's been established since the first day of beta what else is new? actually i think that in hots and before, ultras has less than 8 armor even if they had 7 armor instead (which is only -1), suddenly marine dps vs ultras is doubled. that's hardly something you can neglect e: i'm not whining >_< just trying to grasp some numbers that's all. literally the only unit stats i know are cost and the attack marines have. that's IT Before a fully upgraded Ultralisk had 6 armor, same as fully upgraded Battlecruiser. Which meant Marine shots did 3 damage. Marauders had a single attack which was 26 damage vs Armored, so 20 vs an Ultralisk. so marauders used to do 10x the amount of damage to ultralisks before lotv. wow
I think you're forgetting the bonus vs armored, fully upgraded marauders do 8 + 5 twice against amoured units, so basically 10 dmg per attack (instead of 20) (edit : against ultra, I mean)
Actually marauders are still totally relevant against ultra, if you have enough space to kite...
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On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days. It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD
of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't
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On May 16 2016 20:35 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 20:30 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:18 Penev wrote:On May 16 2016 20:16 Poopi wrote:On May 16 2016 20:13 Soularion wrote:On May 16 2016 20:12 Incognoto wrote:
yeah terran just needs a very specialized answer to ultralisks, which polt does not bring to the table there's a couple of answers there - push properly - transition harder - macro properly before so you can have liberators Always funny that 4 years later teamliquid still act like everything is fine Nothing has changed it seems Pls stop balance whining It's not balance whine it's design whining it's the same in BW, if Terran decides to keep going bio vs 4 gas Zerg they will just die both T and Z have lategame tools in LotV Bio is the only thing viable in the matchup but once zerg has ultras 80% of your pop is useless, plus it's easy to survive till ultras as shown in various matches. That's shit design for you, like broodlord infestor was back in the days. It's sc2 not BW what is that argument xD of course you're balance whining, how can you possibly say you aren't
No not really. Ultras can be killed with the right tools. Right now, the transition is incredibly hard for terran. That's a design flaw imo, not balance necessarily.
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why are they spacing out these matches so much
why is this on a monday fucking hell
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