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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 02 2016 20:50 GMT
#2021
Vipers are also great if you have cotruptors alongside them, because they don't get attack priority and stay alive even if you botch it slightly.

Also pretty useful when it's raining or snowing and you need to drive.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
March 02 2016 20:50 GMT
#2022
Snute reminds me of Tomas Haake, the drummer of Meshuggah. He is sitting there, completely relaxed, doing something completely impossible. If I were Major I'd just be shaking my head.

Check out Haake in the meantime...


Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
March 02 2016 20:51 GMT
#2023
On March 03 2016 05:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:36 Hider wrote:
Demuslim needs to shut up about the whole Major copying Koreans down to a teeth. YES he likes to study korean build orders, but his mid/late game is not comparable to any top koreans at all.

Also which pro player doesn't study korean builds lol


Demuslim I guess lol. Always perceived him as more of an intuitive than analytical player that "studies" the game.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
March 02 2016 20:52 GMT
#2024
On March 03 2016 05:48 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:46 Heartland wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


thanks, I've seen lots of Vipers... but almost always they get a-moved into the fight and die


I have actually never seen this in a pro game before this series in ZvT, I think. But the first game made it really clear that Major has probably neither and he doesn't really have the training in splitting out the green ones.

On the other hand, on ladder, I build vipers every single game the opponent has any air, in any matchup


Haven't seen too many pro games lately: What do the Zerg normally build against this amount of Liberators?
In my games, I'm just totally fucked against Liberators without Vipers.
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
March 02 2016 20:52 GMT
#2025
Snute always been the king of spellcasters, because thats one key point of what made him the SH man
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
March 02 2016 20:52 GMT
#2026
Watching Happy mech last year made me want to give up starcraft when I was recapping a 7 hour Happy vs SH zerg group
It's possibly the worst thing I've ever had to do in my life
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 02 2016 20:53 GMT
#2027
On March 03 2016 05:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Watching Happy mech last year made me want to give up starcraft when I was recapping a 7 hour Happy vs SH zerg group
It's possibly the worst thing I've ever had to do in my life

HAHAHA wow your life sounds miserable.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 20:54:10
March 02 2016 20:53 GMT
#2028
On March 03 2016 05:52 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:48 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:46 Heartland wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


thanks, I've seen lots of Vipers... but almost always they get a-moved into the fight and die


I have actually never seen this in a pro game before this series in ZvT, I think. But the first game made it really clear that Major has probably neither and he doesn't really have the training in splitting out the green ones.

On the other hand, on ladder, I build vipers every single game the opponent has any air, in any matchup


Haven't seen too many pro games lately: What do the Zerg normally build against this amount of Liberators?
In my games, I'm just totally fucked against Liberators without Vipers.

Well, either they make vipers in addition to infestors, corruptors, queens and maybe ravagers, or they suicide into the liberators and everything goes pop. Mostly the latter.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
March 02 2016 20:53 GMT
#2029
Major has no idea what he is doing. It's disgusting to watch. He's literally just letting Snute build this crazy strong army when he can be and should be attacking yet he gives Snute all the time in the world to make a perfect composition.

Although that's always been the big difference between Europeans/other players and Koreans. The killer instinct. I guarantee any top tier Terran after denying that fourth for so long and having a fourth then even fifth yourself go into crazy aggro-mode.

Despite Liberators being good units Terran will never be the sit back and build the ultimate army race...that died with mech really. Give me that mid game advantage and even I would've had a better shot at taking that game with an endless rally push.


So bad.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 02 2016 20:54 GMT
#2030
On March 03 2016 05:51 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:36 Hider wrote:
Demuslim needs to shut up about the whole Major copying Koreans down to a teeth. YES he likes to study korean build orders, but his mid/late game is not comparable to any top koreans at all.

Also which pro player doesn't study korean builds lol


Demuslim I guess lol. Always perceived him as more of an intuitive than analytical player that "studies" the game.

He should have studied Byun when Byun played on NA and farmed Demuslim for like 15 straight wins one day
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Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
March 02 2016 20:54 GMT
#2031
On March 03 2016 05:52 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:48 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:46 Heartland wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


thanks, I've seen lots of Vipers... but almost always they get a-moved into the fight and die


I have actually never seen this in a pro game before this series in ZvT, I think. But the first game made it really clear that Major has probably neither and he doesn't really have the training in splitting out the green ones.

On the other hand, on ladder, I build vipers every single game the opponent has any air, in any matchup


Haven't seen too many pro games lately: What do the Zerg normally build against this amount of Liberators?
In my games, I'm just totally fucked against Liberators without Vipers.

Against lotsa liberators you get corruptor viper.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
March 02 2016 20:54 GMT
#2032
so how is snute - major going on ?
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 20:54:45
March 02 2016 20:54 GMT
#2033
On March 03 2016 05:53 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:52 Swisslink wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:48 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:46 Heartland wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


thanks, I've seen lots of Vipers... but almost always they get a-moved into the fight and die


I have actually never seen this in a pro game before this series in ZvT, I think. But the first game made it really clear that Major has probably neither and he doesn't really have the training in splitting out the green ones.

On the other hand, on ladder, I build vipers every single game the opponent has any air, in any matchup


Haven't seen too many pro games lately: What do the Zerg normally build against this amount of Liberators?
In my games, I'm just totally fucked against Liberators without Vipers.

Well, either they make vipers in addition to infestors, corruptors, queens and maybe ravagers, or they suicide into the liberators and everything goes pop.

Dark played with corruptors instead of mutas in ZvT sometimes in HotS, wouldn't that style do great in the current meta ? -even though Dark was like the only one to manage to make that composition work...
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
March 02 2016 20:55 GMT
#2034
Yeah this is the only one I really disagreed on even before the tournament


You didn't disagree with Harstem, Major, Sortof?

Major was considered one of the worst players before this tournament. Harstem and Sortof in the middle. (It should obviously be the other way around).
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 02 2016 20:55 GMT
#2035
On March 03 2016 05:52 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:48 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:46 Heartland wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


thanks, I've seen lots of Vipers... but almost always they get a-moved into the fight and die


I have actually never seen this in a pro game before this series in ZvT, I think. But the first game made it really clear that Major has probably neither and he doesn't really have the training in splitting out the green ones.

On the other hand, on ladder, I build vipers every single game the opponent has any air, in any matchup


Haven't seen too many pro games lately: What do the Zerg normally build against this amount of Liberators?
In my games, I'm just totally fucked against Liberators without Vipers.


When my opponent goes for mass liberator late game I go mass ultra/ling and pray for the best
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 02 2016 20:55 GMT
#2036
I rally that 17 worker all my games vs zerg on this map
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 02 2016 20:55 GMT
#2037
On March 03 2016 05:54 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:51 Hider wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:36 Hider wrote:
Demuslim needs to shut up about the whole Major copying Koreans down to a teeth. YES he likes to study korean build orders, but his mid/late game is not comparable to any top koreans at all.

Also which pro player doesn't study korean builds lol


Demuslim I guess lol. Always perceived him as more of an intuitive than analytical player that "studies" the game.

He should have studied Byun when Byun played on NA and farmed Demuslim for like 15 straight wins one day

How are there so few pro-gamers on ladder?
kiss kiss fall in love
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 02 2016 20:56 GMT
#2038
On March 03 2016 05:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:53 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:52 Swisslink wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:48 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:46 Heartland wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


thanks, I've seen lots of Vipers... but almost always they get a-moved into the fight and die


I have actually never seen this in a pro game before this series in ZvT, I think. But the first game made it really clear that Major has probably neither and he doesn't really have the training in splitting out the green ones.

On the other hand, on ladder, I build vipers every single game the opponent has any air, in any matchup


Haven't seen too many pro games lately: What do the Zerg normally build against this amount of Liberators?
In my games, I'm just totally fucked against Liberators without Vipers.

Well, either they make vipers in addition to infestors, corruptors, queens and maybe ravagers, or they suicide into the liberators and everything goes pop.

Dark played with corruptors instead of mutas in ZvT sometimes in HotS, wouldn't that style do great in the current meta ? -even though Dark was like the only one to manage to make that composition work...


It was a ling/bling style though, not roach/ravager. I find them very hard to pull off straight up in LotV because of the 12 worker + larva nerf combo.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12912 Posts
March 02 2016 20:56 GMT
#2039
On March 03 2016 05:53 Grizvok wrote:
Major has no idea what he is doing. It's disgusting to watch. He's literally just letting Snute build this crazy strong army when he can be and should be attacking yet he gives Snute all the time in the world to make a perfect composition.

Although that's always been the big difference between Europeans/other players and Koreans. The killer instinct. I guarantee any top tier Terran after denying that fourth for so long and having a fourth then even fifth yourself go into crazy aggro-mode.

Despite Liberators being good units Terran will never be the sit back and build the ultimate army race...that died with mech really. Give me that mid game advantage and even I would've had a better shot at taking that game with an endless rally push.


So bad.

It's not a matter of killer instinct lol. You can't always take frontal fights.
The real problem Major has is that he doesn't know how to deal with Snute's army cost effectively.
It's not even a perfect composition yet from Snute...
Sad indeed tho
WriterMaru
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 20:56:54
March 02 2016 20:56 GMT
#2040
On March 03 2016 05:55 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:54 Shellshock wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:51 Hider wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:36 Hider wrote:
Demuslim needs to shut up about the whole Major copying Koreans down to a teeth. YES he likes to study korean build orders, but his mid/late game is not comparable to any top koreans at all.

Also which pro player doesn't study korean builds lol


Demuslim I guess lol. Always perceived him as more of an intuitive than analytical player that "studies" the game.

He should have studied Byun when Byun played on NA and farmed Demuslim for like 15 straight wins one day

How are there so few pro-gamers on ladder?

this was way back when Demuslim was still living in the EG house and he and Byun just had a high as shit mmr on NA

plus it was NA server
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