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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 02 2016 20:45 GMT
#1981
SNUTED AGAIN! :D
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 02 2016 20:45 GMT
#1982
On March 03 2016 05:44 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:38 Soularion wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:36 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:35 Ej_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:33 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:31 Sif_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:26 Soularion wrote:
[quote]
pls explain how he isn't somewhere in the low 20s to high 30s


ptitdrogo #3

polt #5

come to think of it, was the PR seeded randomly like the iem bracket?


lol did they really put Major in 30?

he's clearly better than Lambo, Serral, Firecake, Pilipili, Huk, Pig, Puck, Masa, Harstem, Kelthuzad, Neeb and Elazer and probably better than Mana and Bunny as well tbh.

rofl Major isn't even close to Elazer/FireCake/Serral

well keep in mind i'm talking completely out of my HotS ass as i don't have a real clue of what happened after that in the foreigner scene, hence my sig. but yeah, i generally tend to rank players by potential, not by average performance, so Major would have to be somewhere close to the top.

The power rank was almost entirely based on their LotV results, of which MajOr has very little. He struggled in Copa America, and his qualification came with a couple of sloppy sets which made me think he had promise (which I noted in my writing) but because of his repeated failures in WCS last year I was cautious and placed him low. He's performed well today, so he ends up looking underrated, but that reasoning is completely logical and is not contradicted by the reality we have observed.

I think people shitting on the PR should try doing their own and see if they don't look silly at some points


More importantly, realising that doing a PR before writing the games is harder than doing it after you know all the results

yeah ofc I meant doing it before the tournament, it's easy to rank the losers from #32 to #17 and the winners from #16 to #1 and say "look how clever I am" lol


yep
It's just that unsurprisingly 90% of the criticism has come after the matches rather than before

You deserve some shit for Drogo at #3 though, he's looked pretty weak the weeks leading up to IEM.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
March 02 2016 20:45 GMT
#1983
On March 03 2016 05:45 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:44 Soularion wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:38 Soularion wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:36 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:35 Ej_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:33 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:31 Sif_ wrote:
[quote]

ptitdrogo #3

polt #5

come to think of it, was the PR seeded randomly like the iem bracket?


lol did they really put Major in 30?

he's clearly better than Lambo, Serral, Firecake, Pilipili, Huk, Pig, Puck, Masa, Harstem, Kelthuzad, Neeb and Elazer and probably better than Mana and Bunny as well tbh.

rofl Major isn't even close to Elazer/FireCake/Serral

well keep in mind i'm talking completely out of my HotS ass as i don't have a real clue of what happened after that in the foreigner scene, hence my sig. but yeah, i generally tend to rank players by potential, not by average performance, so Major would have to be somewhere close to the top.

The power rank was almost entirely based on their LotV results, of which MajOr has very little. He struggled in Copa America, and his qualification came with a couple of sloppy sets which made me think he had promise (which I noted in my writing) but because of his repeated failures in WCS last year I was cautious and placed him low. He's performed well today, so he ends up looking underrated, but that reasoning is completely logical and is not contradicted by the reality we have observed.

I think people shitting on the PR should try doing their own and see if they don't look silly at some points


More importantly, realising that doing a PR before writing the games is harder than doing it after you know all the results

yeah ofc I meant doing it before the tournament, it's easy to rank the losers from #32 to #17 and the winners from #16 to #1 and say "look how clever I am" lol

tbh with this tournament you'd still get a lot of controversy ranking players after the tournament is played, like- where the fuck does ShoWTimE go?

yeah even after the games it's hard to assess those things

It's been very fun, though! And I hope you guys enjoyed the writing. For the WCS recap I'll definitely take a step back from controversy, but don't worry- I have plans for Shanghai ;p
Writermaru pls
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 20:46:37
March 02 2016 20:45 GMT
#1984
On March 03 2016 05:36 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:35 Ej_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:33 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:31 Sif_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:26 Soularion wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:25 Sif_ wrote:
major #30

pls explain how he isn't somewhere in the low 20s to high 30s


ptitdrogo #3

polt #5

come to think of it, was the PR seeded randomly like the iem bracket?


lol did they really put Major in 30?

he's clearly better than Lambo, Serral, Firecake, Pilipili, Huk, Pig, Puck, Masa, Harstem, Kelthuzad, Neeb and Elazer and probably better than Mana and Bunny as well tbh.

rofl Major isn't even close to Elazer/FireCake/Serral

well keep in mind i'm talking completely out of my HotS ass as i don't have a real clue of what happened after that in the foreigner scene, hence my sig. but yeah, i generally tend to rank players by potential, not by average performance, so Major would have to be somewhere close to the top.


Major's potential isn't very high since his battle micro is subpar (and always has been). He does however look good when he outmultitasks medicore players. But when he doesn't do a ton of damage, he usually has trouble winning.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1985
Snute is impressive !!! What composure and resilience...
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1986
maj0r tries to drop so much he forgot he could make one big army and finish the game
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1987
Page 100 woohoo

Major has no answer to Snute's lategame style it seems
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1988
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
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On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


thanks, I've seen lots of Vipers... but almost always they get a-moved into the fight and die
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1989
had this pegged as one of my upset picks cause Snute seemed to have some on and off struggles vs T lately but I guess he's making it work today
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1990
what cost Major this game was being up in bases vs Zerg and having like 8 liberators total and 16
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1991
How does Snute do it? :O
kiss kiss fall in love
LastManProductions
Profile Joined September 2013
United States252 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1992
Snute is a GOD!
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1993
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split

Also abducting annoyingly sieged liberators.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
March 02 2016 20:46 GMT
#1994
On March 03 2016 05:45 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:44 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:38 Soularion wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:36 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:35 Ej_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:33 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:31 Sif_ wrote:
[quote]

ptitdrogo #3

polt #5

come to think of it, was the PR seeded randomly like the iem bracket?


lol did they really put Major in 30?

he's clearly better than Lambo, Serral, Firecake, Pilipili, Huk, Pig, Puck, Masa, Harstem, Kelthuzad, Neeb and Elazer and probably better than Mana and Bunny as well tbh.

rofl Major isn't even close to Elazer/FireCake/Serral

well keep in mind i'm talking completely out of my HotS ass as i don't have a real clue of what happened after that in the foreigner scene, hence my sig. but yeah, i generally tend to rank players by potential, not by average performance, so Major would have to be somewhere close to the top.

The power rank was almost entirely based on their LotV results, of which MajOr has very little. He struggled in Copa America, and his qualification came with a couple of sloppy sets which made me think he had promise (which I noted in my writing) but because of his repeated failures in WCS last year I was cautious and placed him low. He's performed well today, so he ends up looking underrated, but that reasoning is completely logical and is not contradicted by the reality we have observed.

I think people shitting on the PR should try doing their own and see if they don't look silly at some points


More importantly, realising that doing a PR before writing the games is harder than doing it after you know all the results

yeah ofc I meant doing it before the tournament, it's easy to rank the losers from #32 to #17 and the winners from #16 to #1 and say "look how clever I am" lol


yep
It's just that unsurprisingly 90% of the criticism has come after the matches rather than before

You deserve some shit for Drogo at #3 though, he's looked pretty weak the weeks leading up to IEM.

Yeah this is the only one I really disagreed on even before the tournament
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 02 2016 20:47 GMT
#1995
Damn I don't ever get tired of watching Snute
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 02 2016 20:47 GMT
#1996
Gooooo Snuuuute!!!!!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
March 02 2016 20:47 GMT
#1997
On March 03 2016 05:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Page 100 woohoo

France power
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
March 02 2016 20:47 GMT
#1998
On March 03 2016 05:45 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:41 Heartland wrote:
what do you use Vipers for in ZvT? Parasitic bomb?


yes, particularly against someone who stubbornly refuses to split


+ is there another counter to Liberator in big numbers?
At one point, Corrupters and Ravagers just don't do the trick anymore.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 02 2016 20:47 GMT
#1999
I feel at some point Major has to realize he has to just gather his entire army instead of having 20-30 supply dedicated to denying fringe bases and just go for the throat
Wat
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12912 Posts
March 02 2016 20:47 GMT
#2000
On March 03 2016 05:44 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 05:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:41 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:38 Soularion wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:36 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:35 Ej_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:33 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:31 Sif_ wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:26 Soularion wrote:
[quote]
pls explain how he isn't somewhere in the low 20s to high 30s


ptitdrogo #3

polt #5

come to think of it, was the PR seeded randomly like the iem bracket?


lol did they really put Major in 30?

he's clearly better than Lambo, Serral, Firecake, Pilipili, Huk, Pig, Puck, Masa, Harstem, Kelthuzad, Neeb and Elazer and probably better than Mana and Bunny as well tbh.

rofl Major isn't even close to Elazer/FireCake/Serral

well keep in mind i'm talking completely out of my HotS ass as i don't have a real clue of what happened after that in the foreigner scene, hence my sig. but yeah, i generally tend to rank players by potential, not by average performance, so Major would have to be somewhere close to the top.

The power rank was almost entirely based on their LotV results, of which MajOr has very little. He struggled in Copa America, and his qualification came with a couple of sloppy sets which made me think he had promise (which I noted in my writing) but because of his repeated failures in WCS last year I was cautious and placed him low. He's performed well today, so he ends up looking underrated, but that reasoning is completely logical and is not contradicted by the reality we have observed.

I think people shitting on the PR should try doing their own and see if they don't look silly at some points


More importantly, realising that doing a PR before writing the games is harder than doing it after you know all the results

yeah ofc I meant doing it before the tournament, it's easy to rank the losers from #32 to #17 and the winners from #16 to #1 and say "look how clever I am" lol


yep
It's just that unsurprisingly 90% of the criticism has come after the matches rather than before

I didn't know there was a PR before the actual games tho, I'm probably not the only one
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