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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 24 2016 13:45 GMT
#621
On January 24 2016 22:30 ArtyK wrote:
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On January 24 2016 22:23 A_needle_jog wrote:
On January 24 2016 22:16 sparklyresidue wrote:
Is Drogo named after Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones? Wasn't expecting these results ! Were the games good?


Games weren't of the highest quality we have ever seen in the Starcraft.


As for name I think PtitDrogo is french for "little dragon" they said on stream I believe.


Dragon in french is dragon though :p
Drogo doesn't mean anything, but if the casters said so maybe it's what he's going for i guess

Ptit is basically petit which is like saying lil' instead of little

he thinks he looks like a little drogo which is true
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
January 24 2016 13:47 GMT
#622
On January 24 2016 21:42 WrathSCII wrote:
After thinking about it, the entire viewership is completely irrelevant to the WCS system. Whatever happens, the viewer count will always range about the same value no matter what.

People do not tune in for a certain player or whatever, they tune in for the whole tournament or just Ro4 or the finals.



Yeah recently in 2015-16 the core viewerbase has been practically unshaken, when I saw an IEM last year don't remember which, I was like "Holy moly 20k for the open bracket? imagine the finals!" Then it turns out the finals only have like 10-15k more. The dedicated viewerbase was just actually watching from start to finish lol.
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
January 24 2016 13:51 GMT
#623
On January 24 2016 22:44 Elentos wrote:
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On January 24 2016 22:39 Poopi wrote:
On January 24 2016 21:40 gruff wrote:
On January 24 2016 21:35 Poopi wrote:
Gratz Drogo.
Btw where are these people telling PvZ is ultra zerg favored, didn't seem to me when Drogo composition was destroying TLO's one or looking at the scores :x.

I'm glad viOlet/Hydra didn't make it so people can see that 2 mid tier koreans are less likely to win than one of the 30 foreigners.


That's not how statistics work and not what these result shows.

Pretty sure Hydra (viOlet might have bad aligulac elo, not sure) had the highest winning chance but it was more likely that someone who isn't him wins the whole thing.

Hydra's aligulac rating is still inflated as heck from him reking worse players in HotS. He was like top 10 on aligulac before he lost to Bly which is completely absurd considering how Hydra has been playing in LotV (and yes viOlet's rating was really low).


Yeah Hydra's rating is inflated mostly because he steamrolled a ton of online tournaments. It's a little ridiculous when you look at it.

But I'm not sure how you can say viOLet's was really low considering that with the exception of one slump period in early 2014, he has consistently been between 1800 and 2000 over the last 3 years. Moreover if you look at his recent results (2015 and 2016 in this link) you'll simply see that he hasn't been playing a lot and he also hasn't been winning as much as you might think.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
January 24 2016 13:51 GMT
#624
So what happened to SGTK? He complained to Aeromi when he made the thread, now he got it and the OP isn't updated
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 24 2016 13:52 GMT
#625
I just woke up, looks like drogo cleaned up the fire?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55579 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 14:00:08
January 24 2016 13:55 GMT
#626
On January 24 2016 22:51 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 22:44 Elentos wrote:
On January 24 2016 22:39 Poopi wrote:
On January 24 2016 21:40 gruff wrote:
On January 24 2016 21:35 Poopi wrote:
Gratz Drogo.
Btw where are these people telling PvZ is ultra zerg favored, didn't seem to me when Drogo composition was destroying TLO's one or looking at the scores :x.

I'm glad viOlet/Hydra didn't make it so people can see that 2 mid tier koreans are less likely to win than one of the 30 foreigners.


That's not how statistics work and not what these result shows.

Pretty sure Hydra (viOlet might have bad aligulac elo, not sure) had the highest winning chance but it was more likely that someone who isn't him wins the whole thing.

Hydra's aligulac rating is still inflated as heck from him reking worse players in HotS. He was like top 10 on aligulac before he lost to Bly which is completely absurd considering how Hydra has been playing in LotV (and yes viOlet's rating was really low).


Yeah Hydra's rating is inflated mostly because he steamrolled a ton of online tournaments. It's a little ridiculous when you look at it.

But I'm not sure how you can say viOLet's was really low considering that with the exception of one slump period in early 2014, he has consistently been between 1800 and 2000 over the last 3 years. Moreover if you look at his recent results (2015 and 2016 in this link) you'll simply see that he hasn't been playing a lot and he also hasn't been winning as much as you might think.

Well, I didn't say viOlet's rating being low isn't justified, I just meant it's really low compared to some other players at DH so aligulac wouldn't predict him to win

On a side note, I'm curious about Drogo's Blizzcon chances now...
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 24 2016 13:59 GMT
#627
On January 24 2016 22:16 sparklyresidue wrote:
Is Drogo named after Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones? Wasn't expecting these results ! Were the games good?

Nope, Drogo is a strange way of spelling "dragon" and Ptit means "little". Source being some interview he did some time ago.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
January 24 2016 14:24 GMT
#628
On January 24 2016 21:51 Vedeynevin wrote:
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On January 24 2016 21:14 Shuffleblade wrote:
On January 24 2016 20:59 Clipped wrote:
On January 24 2016 20:53 Shuffleblade wrote:
On January 24 2016 20:45 Vedeynevin wrote:
On January 24 2016 20:38 Zergiica wrote:
On January 24 2016 20:37 Zergiica wrote:
come on bly, win this and try to prove us there is balance in lotv!



aaand it's gone, better luck next time to all of the zergs and specially terrans because if there's no skill gap you have no chance right now.


Oh please. Drogo was clearly the better player imo. Several times bly would send his entire army to deal with small harass and then drove would snipe a base with his army. He also lost a few hatches to single zealots. Don't act like balance won this for drogo.

And before you say it, I play Zerg so I'm not fucking biased.

Exactly my point about balance, WP harass, warps in 20 zealots, thats not a harass you can handle by branching off 5 roaches, Bly had to send at least half his army, which would have made it impossible for him to defend the army sniping the hatch anyway. In that situation Bly made the better choice, move whole army to get minimal losses from zealots since if you would take half there would be nothing they could do anyway.

The games were low econ, they weren't maxed out, Bly didn't have a huge army. WP harass is really really hard to deal with.
You realize 20 zealots is 40 supply right? At no point did Drogo warp in 20 zealots. Bly should have made static-D to mess with the zealot ai and kill or even damage the WP while protecting his expansions with his main army. He couldn't and that's why he repeatedly lost the econ war.

Well you are correct, it probably wasn't 20 but it was more than 10, it was at least 12. I can count for you when the cast is up. Nevertheless it wasn't a "harass" you could handle by splitting off a fraction of your army.

Man, do you even play sc2, you realize the WP can go anywhere on the map right? You can't build static D in your main, first exp, third exp and around everyone of your tech structures. That would cost huge amounts of resources. I'm guessing you didn't say the same thing about mutas in hots did you, "oh well its his own fault for not building static defense all over every base"

Complaing about balance is stupid, it was probably Blys build orders but the last game, there was just never anything Bly could have done to win that game.


Lol, apparently I wasn't clear enough. There were times he pulled his entire army back for ONE ZEALOT THAT WAS ATTACKING A BUILDING HATCH AND DIDN'T COME FROM A WARP PRISM. Obviously you have to split off more then a few units to deal with late game prisms warping in 12 zealots. But even then you don't need to pull the whole army over there.

Here lemme try....man do you even play sc2, you realize 2 roaches will kill 1 zealot right? They even added hotkeys in lotv that make it easier to split off units.

Proof or didn't happen =D
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PsychoKillerSC2
Profile Joined December 2015
6 Posts
January 24 2016 14:31 GMT
#629
On January 24 2016 21:13 Mozdk wrote:
Replays:




No have last game of final.. on map risk of seras?
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
January 24 2016 14:40 GMT
#630
First GRATZ to PTIT FUCKING DROGO! He carried high the french flag

And i'have to say that's the lack of koreans had a great impact for me. Unless when a french player was involved i wasn't really interested...
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8309 Posts
January 24 2016 14:48 GMT
#631
What was vierership numbers like? I tried to wake up in time for it but body said no...
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 15:05:02
January 24 2016 15:04 GMT
#632
I was really surprised by uthermal and ptitdrogo level during the tournament, nice to see a french player take it all, unfortunately winning the dreamhack in 2016 doesn't really mean anything
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
January 24 2016 15:05 GMT
#633
On January 24 2016 23:48 TheDougler wrote:
What was vierership numbers like? I tried to wake up in time for it but body said no...


45k ish I think total? 30k on mainstream.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
January 24 2016 15:06 GMT
#634
On January 24 2016 23:48 TheDougler wrote:
What was vierership numbers like? I tried to wake up in time for it but body said no...


With a real time and not this farce of time, the final could have outdone Dreamhack LotV winter easy.
I am not the Thorin fan, but he is right with one thing, when he talked about NA CS and EU CS: EU citizens stay late up to watch content out of NA, NA cannot (work, school, sleep) get up super early to watch EU content. Even tho I hate the new weekend events in the WCS Circuit, I expect a very strong viewernumber at Dreamhack Austin.

But on the same side, CS:GO final started at 13.00 CET (7 EST, 4 PST) with 200k viewers.

I dont think this tournament does say alot about the circuit. In the end, WCS Spring finals at Kato will do this:
A real (side-)stage, maybe a real time for the final (wasnt it last year 16.00 CET? Sunday?) and alot of games directly next to SC II: CS:GO 250k event and IEM World finals of LoL.
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 15:08:54
January 24 2016 15:08 GMT
#635
I'd say 13:00 CET is a much much better time than 11:00 CET, even if just a 2 hour difference. All things considered, there was a good crowd and decent viewership.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
January 24 2016 15:20 GMT
#636
I guess the time makes a difference but 30k for an all foreign final sounds pathetic
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
January 24 2016 15:23 GMT
#637
On January 25 2016 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote:
I guess the time makes a difference but 30k for an all foreign final sounds pathetic


It was around 45k as I said, not 30k. 30k was just the main stream.
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 15:29:15
January 24 2016 15:28 GMT
#638
On January 25 2016 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote:
I guess the time makes a difference but 30k for an all foreign final sounds pathetic


Thats about what any SC2 event is pulling these days if not less. I can't think of the last time I've seen any numbers as high/higher. Do you think it would have been 50-75k if it were two Koreans? Or one Korean and a Foreigner? I don't think it would have been much different either way.

showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
January 24 2016 15:33 GMT
#639
On January 25 2016 00:28 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote:
I guess the time makes a difference but 30k for an all foreign final sounds pathetic


Thats about what any SC2 event is pulling these days if not less. I can't think of the last time I've seen any numbers as high/higher. Do you think it would have been 50-75k if it were two Koreans? Or one Korean and a Foreigner? I don't think it would have been much different either way.



No but if WCS 2016 was all about this magic rainbow of getting casual viewers I'd expect to see an uptick in viewership for an all foreign final, not a group of numbers that's down 20% on HSC
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
January 24 2016 15:55 GMT
#640
On January 25 2016 00:33 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:28 FLuE wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote:
I guess the time makes a difference but 30k for an all foreign final sounds pathetic


Thats about what any SC2 event is pulling these days if not less. I can't think of the last time I've seen any numbers as high/higher. Do you think it would have been 50-75k if it were two Koreans? Or one Korean and a Foreigner? I don't think it would have been much different either way.



No but if WCS 2016 was all about this magic rainbow of getting casual viewers I'd expect to see an uptick in viewership for an all foreign final, not a group of numbers that's down 20% on HSC


Where did the WCS system claim to be a magic system for increasing casual viewership? I don't see the correlation between the system and casuals, casuals wouldn't know/care if it was all foreigner or all Korean, or a mix at this point in the systems existence.

The hope appears to be to prop up the scene overall around the world, so that the long term effect is to stabilize the viewership and then slowly increase interest in the game again. The first step to doing that is to try and create a more global following for a variety of players. Then you'll be able to pull viewers from all over that are fans of Koreans, Foreigners, etc. This is the same strategy used by a lot of major and minor league sports to grow their product.

Put it this way, the previous system was dying, might as well try something new but to say it somehow failed already(as you are implying) is not only shortsighted but pushing forward a false narrative to prove a point that won't be proven for another few months if not year or two.
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