EPT[DreamHack] Leipzig Day 3
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Aeromi
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Poll: Heart Bly (72) PtitDrogo (58) 130 total votes Your vote: Heart | ||
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Aeromi
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GO PTITDROGO | ||
Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Now it's going to be all contaminated with French bias | ||
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Paljas
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On January 24 2016 06:22 Shellshock wrote: I feel like OP is going to be biased as fuck TL quality standards | ||
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Aeromi
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On January 24 2016 06:22 Shellshock wrote: I feel like OP is going to be biased as fuck Hater. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On January 24 2016 06:22 Shellshock wrote: I feel like OP is going to be biased as fuck Don't worry I'm saving it. | ||
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Mozdk
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I believe Drogo will take it pretty easily, but the magic of BlyOnFire might surprise me. I can't wait to watch either way. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 24 2016 06:37 Musicus wrote: 11 AM CET, now we can finally compare the viewership of a foreign event with GSL. I wonder if we can break 20k :/. If we can get 17k watching Bisu vs Effort at 9am we should be able to get 20k, at least i hope so haha | ||
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IceBerrY
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Elentos
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On January 24 2016 07:51 The_Red_Viper wrote: If we can get 17k watching Bisu vs Effort at 9am we should be able to get 20k, at least i hope so haha Eh, it's 11 AM on a Sunday. Not a good time on that day of the week for me personally. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 24 2016 07:58 Elentos wrote: Eh, it's 11 AM on a Sunday. Not a good time on that day of the week for me personally. How is it a bad time? I don't see how someone would blame the timeslot IF we don't get enough viewers. I mean sure a little bit later would be better, but that spot is for csgo apparently. | ||
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Elentos
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On January 24 2016 08:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: How is it a bad time? I don't see how someone would blame the timeslot IF we don't get enough viewers. I mean sure a little bit later would be better, but that spot is for csgo apparently. Depends on what is considered "enough viewers" for the grand finals of the first big WCS tournament in LotV. In theory should be way more than the previous days. But I'm not sure it'll happen. I mean, if I lived West of the Atlantic Ocean I wouldn't stay up till 5 AM to watch this live when I can watch VODs at a more convenient time. | ||
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Arvendilin
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On January 24 2016 07:52 IceBerrY wrote: Hoping for some nice macro games! ahahahaahahahaha...... hahahahaha bly.... hahahaha | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 24 2016 08:20 Elentos wrote: Depends on what is considered "enough viewers" for the grand finals of the first big WCS tournament in LotV. I mean, if I lived West of the Atlantic Ocean I wouldn't stay up till 5 AM to watch this live when I can watch VODs at a more convenient time. Well but apparently the venue closes at like 3PM, so the schedule was tricky to begin with. So you either have no sc2 at the main stage for the grand final, or you have it at 11AM  But yeah overall i think this Dreamhack wasn't worthy of the WCS lable tbh, very disappointed and if that is all we will get then i don't see it doing all too well. We need hype, we need added video content about the players, we need a big stage a lot earlier. | ||
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Fecalfeast
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Dodgin
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IceBerrY
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On January 24 2016 08:21 Arvendilin wrote: ahahahaahahahaha...... hahahahaha bly.... hahahaha ThatΒ΄s why i am hoping, even if unrealistic. :D | ||
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The_Templar
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On January 24 2016 08:52 Dodgin wrote: Is this the first time we've had just the finals of a weekend tournament on the last day? Can't say I like this trend at all Didn't that happen at IEM World last year? Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/480577-iem-season-ix-katowice-day-4 | ||
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Circumstance
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If Leipzig is supposed to be an indicator for what we should expect in Katowice, then this year is gonna be pretty fun. | ||
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imre
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On January 24 2016 08:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: How is it a bad time? I don't see how someone would blame the timeslot IF we don't get enough viewers. I mean sure a little bit later would be better, but that spot is for csgo apparently. That's bad for eu and trash for na. Decent views would be a surprise. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 24 2016 09:35 sAsImre wrote: That's bad for eu and trash for na. Decent views would be a surprise. Why is it bad for EU? That seems totally reasonable for EU to me | ||
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Bagration
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imre
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On January 24 2016 09:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: Why is it bad for EU? That seems totally reasonable for EU to me 11am on sunday for a youngish audience is fine in your book? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 24 2016 09:46 sAsImre wrote: 11am on sunday for a youngish audience is fine in your book? Yes absolutely. Especially considering that this audience watched the same tournament on a saturday evening/night. It isn't the best spot possible, but it isn't bad at all. Even less so when looking at the context (3pm deadline) | ||
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imre
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On January 24 2016 09:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yes absolutely. Especially considering that this audience watched the same tournament on a saturday evening/night. It isn't the best spot possible, but it isn't bad at all. Even less so when looking at the context (3pm deadline) The context like the venue for day 1& 2 is totally dreamhack's responsibility. Basically i expect a good chunk of our audience to be hang over, sleeping or doing family stuff. You won't attract anyone outside of the hardcore audience with such a setting. Which means that the views for this event are at least quite bad overall. | ||
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necrosexy
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AlgeriaT
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Cricketer12
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lichter
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ON FIIIREEEEE | ||
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RageCommodore
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Also his interviews were dope as fuck so I'm rooting for him. | ||
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Fighter
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Phredxor
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On January 24 2016 09:30 Circumstance wrote: If you look at this bracket, and the names in it - Snute, MarineLord, Lilbow, FireCake, State, Huk, Nerchio, Harstem - ro think that none of those players made the Top 8, and we have a final between Drogo and Bly, it really is quite an incredible tournament we've had this weekend. Yes, they both made major LAN finals before, but those were generally considered flukes, and neither of them were considered top-tier foreigners at the start of this weekend. If Leipzig is supposed to be an indicator for what we should expect in Katowice, then this year is gonna be pretty fun. Apart from Lilbow, none of those listed have really done well in WCS have they? I know Mlord made a RO8 last year, and im sure Snute has made a few too recently but Europe has always been pretty tight. NA... well, the less said the better. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On January 24 2016 10:15 Cricketer12 wrote: so when are we going to stop jokes and confirm that this is happening at a non-retarded time? Its god awful for America. Maybe if it were a weekday you could pick up the "let me watch something before work" crowd but on a weekend its terrible. | ||
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KtJ
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Poopi
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Nakajin
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Why would they do that, even for Europe is a strange time. It is one series, just do it Saturday night if you want the stage for CSGO, it did not end that late... Worst part is, Bly game tend to last like 10 min | ||
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xyzz
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Befree
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Too bad there's not a 3rd place match. That'd be so much more interesting to watch Violet vs uThermal. | ||
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NasusAndDraven
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On January 24 2016 13:41 Nakajin wrote: Wait this is in 5 hours, this is at 5 am?! Why would they do that, even for Europe is a strange time. It is one series, just do it Saturday night if you want the stage for CSGO, it did not end that late... Worst part is, Bly game tend to last like 10 min The CS GO semis went untill midnigth local time i think. They cant have the SC2 finals after that. The workers have to sleep. European workers rigths and all that. We should be happy that atleast the FIFA2016 finals are before the sc2finals. Otherwise the time would be even worse. | ||
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NasusAndDraven
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On January 24 2016 16:39 Befree wrote: I just watch the VODs so I'm not too concerned for myself, but wow this has to be literally the worst scheduled final of all time. Maybe if it were 1 hour earlier, that could be potentially be worse. But as it is, it's basically the period where you most maximize the amount of your EU/NA audience that could possibly be sleeping. From 2 AM PST up to 11 AM in CET. What a window lol. Too bad there's not a 3rd place match. That'd be so much more interesting to watch Violet vs uThermal. Uh. If waking up at 11am is too hard then I dont know what to say. And its not like the games start rigth away. You can start watching stream at 12pm and be fine. And its an european event with european players. Who gives a shit about NA. | ||
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shid0x
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Also Drogo, just do it. Lilbow needs you to spend that money into improving the kek house. | ||
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OtherWorld
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On January 23 2016 06:46 OtherWorld wrote: I don't think you'll ever hear me argue in favour of the WCS Circuit well I mean apart from the fact that Drogo gonna win this event | ||
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A_needle_jog
Korea (South)699 Posts
 I have to be very honest and day I expected very different finals. it is nice to be surprised, but sad to not see Scarlett, Snute or TLO in finals. I say drogo wins close finals. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On January 24 2016 17:44 A_needle_jog wrote: I don't know who to root for. I am not really fan or drogo or bly I have to be very honest and day I expected very different finals. it is nice to be surprised, but sad to not see Scarlett, Snute or TLO in finals. I say drogo wins close finals. Scarlett and TLO are not top players these days. Neither could have been expected or should have been in the finals. You wouldn't expect Jinro to be in a finals these days either, would you? | ||
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watchlulu
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gruff
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On January 24 2016 09:52 sAsImre wrote: The context like the venue for day 1& 2 is totally dreamhack's responsibility. Basically i expect a good chunk of our audience to be hang over, sleeping or doing family stuff. You won't attract anyone outside of the hardcore audience with such a setting. Which means that the views for this event are at least quite bad overall. If you are doing "family" stuff, the time won't matter. If you're sleeping at that time you aren't interested in watching anyway and if you are hung over you watch from the bed. The time is perfectly fine for europeans and I think the average age of the viewers is not what you think. | ||
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Phredxor
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Phredxor
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On January 24 2016 18:19 Aeromi wrote: Preshow starts at 10.45 AM CET and the final starts at 11.00 AM CET. Oh cool, cheers. Guess i'll get to watch some/all of it then! | ||
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Heartland
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Kaizor
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Not that i am complaining though, when normally i have to stay up into the wee morning to watch similar tournaments and for this one it would probably be done before dinner. | ||
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Nikon
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Topdoller
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Not really expecting much from this final at all | ||
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Aeromi
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On January 24 2016 18:33 Topdoller wrote: Cant decide if i a am going to watch this. PtitDrogo does nothing for me when i watch his games, and i haven't seen Bly in action at all. Not really expecting much from this final at all Cheer for PtitDrogo! | ||
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xtorn
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I can already picture this, its just so good | ||
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Heartland
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Aeromi
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On January 24 2016 18:40 Heartland wrote: Hm, this is not broadcasted on Swedish TV :/ | ||
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NasusAndDraven
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On January 24 2016 18:19 Aeromi wrote: Preshow starts at 10.45 AM CET and the final starts at 11.00 AM CET. I dont know what you mean by this, but there is no fucking way the games start in 15min after pre-show starts, no matter what the schedule says. I would be willing to bet that the games dont start earlier than 1hour after preshow. | ||
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agsub
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On January 24 2016 18:29 Kaizor wrote: U know they screwed up when its a European Tournament but its a better timing for Asians. Not that i am complaining though, when normally i have to stay up into the wee morning to watch similar tournaments and for this one it would probably be done before dinner. | ||
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xtorn
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On January 24 2016 18:42 NasusAndDraven wrote: I dont know what you mean by this, but there is no fucking way the games start in 15min after pre-show starts, no matter what the schedule says. I would be willing to bet that the games dont start earlier than 1hour after preshow. | ||
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Heartland
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That's only the online broadcast, not the TV one | ||
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Aeromi
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On January 24 2016 18:42 NasusAndDraven wrote: I dont know what you mean by this, but there is no fucking way the games start in 15min after pre-show starts, no matter what the schedule says. I would be willing to bet that the games dont start earlier than 1hour after preshow. I don't think you want to argue with me when it comes to schedule  | ||
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Boucot
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On January 24 2016 18:45 Heartland wrote: why is it pronounced LeipziSCH in English/Swedish? My German friends laughed at me when I pronounced it like that. It's pronounced like this in french too. | ||
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Nikon
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Still gotta wait 9 minutes. | ||
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Aeromi
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DROGO | ||
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graNite
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On January 24 2016 18:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Have we officially dropped ptit- from ptitdrogo's name ? the ptit is silent | ||
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Boucot
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On January 24 2016 18:55 Clazziquai10 wrote: Drogo looks way older than 20 And Bly looks way younger than 27 | ||
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Nikon
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Ouch. | ||
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Heartland
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mind=blown | ||
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Topdoller
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On January 24 2016 19:02 Heartland wrote: shit it's not a bo5 for the dh finals. mind=blown Its not a BO3 is it? | ||
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Nikon
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Bo7 Go Bly! | ||
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opisska
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On January 24 2016 19:02 Heartland wrote: shit it's not a bo5 for the dh finals. mind=blown The greatest irony is that when they have finally given the bo7 finals everyone was begging for, it's not between the players people wanted to see play the bo7 in the first place ... | ||
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Arvendilin
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We really need more Meisterschaften here :0 | ||
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opisska
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On January 24 2016 19:01 Arvendilin wrote: This is a safe place now lool Playing against Koreans probably triggers a lot of bad memories | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:07 Topdoller wrote: If Drogo builds a colossus in these games i will never watch him again b-but Koreans do that too | ||
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Arvendilin
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They do? I onnly ever seen Colossus in Korean PvT not PvZ, since they also complain how disruptors completely suck in PvT (then again they don't use Disruptors much either for PvZ lol ) | ||
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Heartland
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Nikon
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On January 24 2016 19:09 Heartland wrote: is this played on stage? Yes. | ||
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opisska
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On January 24 2016 19:09 Heartland wrote: is this played on stage? Yes, a nice juicy big DH stage, not the "nerds please hide in this corner" of yesterday | ||
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Topdoller
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On January 24 2016 19:10 opisska wrote: Yes, a nice juicy big DH stage, not the "nerds please hide in this corner" of yesterday Its the CS stage isnt it? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Get rekt | ||
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Arvendilin
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They only have that one yea | ||
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Heartland
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On January 24 2016 19:10 opisska wrote: Yes, a nice juicy big DH stage, not the "nerds please hide in this corner" of yesterday woho! | ||
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Aeromi
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R O G O | ||
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Heartland
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On January 24 2016 19:12 DifuntO wrote: wft, Corruptors can do that? Yes! | ||
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Nikon
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Bly my man, that's hilarious. | ||
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Sent.
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On January 24 2016 19:09 Arvendilin wrote: They do? I onnly ever seen Colossus in Korean PvT not PvZ, since they also complain how disruptors completely suck in PvT (then again they don't use Disruptors much either for PvZ lol ) Someone did this vs Life few weeks ago, probably Zest | ||
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Aeromi
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On January 24 2016 19:15 opisska wrote: Lurkers need a buff, such a sieged position should not be overrunnable by such a pathetic gateway force Cry me a river. | ||
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Nikon
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On January 24 2016 19:15 opisska wrote: Lurkers need a buff, such a sieged position should not be overrunnable by such a pathetic gateway force Did you see how many archons there were? | ||
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Arvendilin
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On January 24 2016 19:15 Sent. wrote: Someone did this vs Life few weeks ago, probably Zest I mean... didn't Zest play like absolute dogshit a few weeks ago? xD | ||
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Phredxor
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On January 24 2016 19:15 opisska wrote: Lurkers need a buff, such a sieged position should not be overrunnable by such a pathetic gateway force It was like 5 lurkers.. | ||
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opisska
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Yes and it seemed like they are immune to the spines because they hover (here I hope Blizzard is not fishing this thread for ideas!!) | ||
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Nikon
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On January 24 2016 19:17 opisska wrote: Yes and it seemed like they are immune to the spines because they hover (here I hope Blizzard is not fishing this thread for ideas!!) Not to mention that Drogo pulled Bly's ling force plus two other lurkers away with the prism and was able to just walk on top of the lurkers. | ||
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Heartland
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Yiome
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Pretty sure it's more than that Archons is good at tanking all the damage | ||
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Arvendilin
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On January 24 2016 19:17 opisska wrote: Yes and it seemed like they are immune to the spines because they hover (here I hope Blizzard is not fishing this thread for ideas!!) Damn you reminded me with that how much I want Archon moving shot back! And probe and drone moving shot! that would be so freaking sick! Yes just saying the word hover reminds me of moving shots lol | ||
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opisska
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On January 24 2016 19:18 Arvendilin wrote: Damn you reminded me with that how much I want Archon moving shot back! And probe and drone moving shot! that would be so freaking sick! Yes just saying the word hover reminds me of moving shots lol Archon has a moving shot in BW? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Arvendilin
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Yes, every hovering unit in BW moved like an air unit (so moving shot), thats why vultures also have moving shots :D | ||
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Die4Ever
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Mozdk
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On January 24 2016 19:15 opisska wrote: Lurkers need a buff, such a sieged position should not be overrunnable by such a pathetic gateway force So they should be able to kill 4x army value with optimal engaging angle? Your head is broken. | ||
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Heartland
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On January 24 2016 19:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Uh oh an Incontrol pylon artosis got to you too | ||
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opisska
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On January 24 2016 19:20 Arvendilin wrote: Yes, every hovering unit in BW moved like an air unit (so moving shot), thats why vultures also have moving shots :D I feel now like just installing BW to see how it looks, because I can't imagine how it goes together with the clunky archon attack annimation | ||
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Boucot
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Nikon
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Yiome
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Bly's lings timing is really interesting | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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he has a way with words I believe in a thing called ROACH | ||
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Fyzar
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On January 24 2016 19:23 Heartland wrote: that's a lot of Adepts More worried about the roaches ;< | ||
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Nikon
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Mozdk
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Topdoller
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Nahh its Bly controlling them, they are doomed | ||
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Phredxor
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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ugh how did he not kill the nexus | ||
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Fyzar
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On January 24 2016 19:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Wow such slow reinforcements from Bly, he could have won right there He basically did, but yeah should've been more convincing | ||
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Topdoller
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On January 24 2016 19:25 Phredxor wrote: Pylons good unit alright. Well suiciding into them isn't exactly the right thing to do is it | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:21 opisska wrote: I feel now like just installing BW to see how it looks, because I can't imagine how it goes together with the clunky archon attack annimation I mean it was like almost never used other than vs muta to get one more shot in Same with probes not many people used their moving shots... Well and then there was Bisu who sometimes got like 2 enemy worker kills with a probe or how he almost killed a Zealot that was staying on the bottom of the ramp with his probe using moving shot (the probe has slightly more range when its attack starts but always goes into zealot melee range if you attack, but if you use moving shot perfectly you can oimmediately get out of medium range so the zealot can't attack) | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:29 boxerfred wrote: Wow, Overcharge is strong af. Single-handedly prolonged the game by 5 minutes or so He was dead all that time though | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:31 Dodgin wrote: It started early??? Not really. Games are short. It was scheduled to start 30 min ago. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:32 Heartland wrote: grand'drogo? Khal'Drogo | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:31 Dodgin wrote: It started early??? No, it's LotV | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:32 HolydaKing wrote: Not really. Games are short. It was scheduled to start 30 min ago. OP says 3 am its 2:36 | ||
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It was supposed to start at 11, so 36 minutes ago. OP is wrong I guess? | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:36 Fyzar wrote: It was supposed to start at 11, so 36 minutes ago. OP is wrong I guess? God damn it SGTK I trusted you | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:36 Fyzar wrote: It was supposed to start at 11, so 36 minutes ago. OP is wrong I guess? Yes, OP is wrong. Gotta blame him I guess. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:36 Fyzar wrote: It was supposed to start at 11, so 36 minutes ago. OP is wrong I guess? Started on time for me. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:37 Sent. wrote: 25k viewers wtf I didn't expect to see this number at 11 AM All the CS fans that wait for it.  Nah, hopefully not. But surely partly. ^^Or is that on a different stream? Yeah probably. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:38 Nerchio wrote: Both players close to 2k during that fight lol Drogo's gates were superlate ;/ | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:38 HolydaKing wrote: All the CS fans that wait for it. Nah, hopefully not. But surely partly. ^^Sitting around wondering what skins you can get for stalkers and roaches. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:38 HolydaKing wrote: All the CS fans that wait for it. Nah, hopefully not. But surely partly. ^^Or is that on a different stream? Yeah probably. Would be cool if cs:go stream hosted sc2 stream | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:39 Sent. wrote: Would be cool if cs:go stream hosted sc2 stream I just assumed all games were on one stream, like back in the days. Used to be like this on IEF, IEM etc. for the final day. | ||
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"Something something.... adepts OP... something something... David Kim. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:38 Nerchio wrote: Both players close to 2k during that fight lol On the other hand, they also bring home $8k and $16k more than you from the event | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:40 PoP wrote: Sees burrow, leaves entrance open/undetected. What the fuck Drogo yea, more pylons would've countered the roaches, again lol | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:38 Nerchio wrote: Both players close to 2k during that fight lol Pylons only cost 100 minerals to build, and Roaches are dirt cheap, unless you are alluding to something else | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:42 Heartland wrote: how the fuck did Protoss win that? He walked into melee range of chargelot archon ;p? | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:41 Topdoller wrote: Pylons only cost 100 minerals to build, and Roaches are dirt cheap, unless you are alluding to something else He is just saying that fighting non-maxed with money banked is very fucking horrible. You know it is, if you know the game. And otherwise don't arguy with the pros. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:43 Penev wrote: Drogo has a really nasty roach problem Somebody called for an exterminator? | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:43 KeksX wrote: Drogo kinda has every Unit he wants, Phoenix, Chargelot, Archon, Immortal. How do you beat that without Hive? with better upgrades and a lurker for every protoss unit | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:45 Inflicted wrote: Bly macro?? They're both floating a shitton of money tbh | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:45 Inflicted wrote: Bly macro?? seems like he was banking to build mutas | ||
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Do not fucking lose this Drogo. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:45 Inflicted wrote: Bly macro?? Muta Switch | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:46 graNite wrote: did nathan just say "fleetbacon"? Such a dank caster =] | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:46 graNite wrote: did nathan just say "fleetbacon"? yes he did. Juicy crispy fleetbacon | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:47 Disarmed wrote: i mean... i miss the koreans too, but this is quite the high level you can see this is a foreigner game when they only have one +1 upgrade at the 16 min mark. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:47 Disarmed wrote: i mean... i miss the koreans too, but this is quite the high level like a [7] maybe? | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:48 Heartland wrote: 33 probes vs 38 drones It's like watching ForGG play, they just do not want to make probes/drones | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:47 Disarmed wrote: i mean... i miss the koreans too, but this is quite the high level If they weren't floating 1k every 5 minutes, maybe | ||
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out of ten? Maybe, i dunno. Im just impressed by the action and multitasking....although the argument with the upgrades is true | ||
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What do you want Drogo to do, spam zealots? He was teching up to Tempests, they aren't exactly cheap. This is a scrappy low econ game, koreans would look very similar in this. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:51 Mozdk wrote: Bly is super dead. His parents didn't even meet yet | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:51 Heartland wrote: fun game! Yeah this is a nice one. Feel Bly lost it when he lost that big engagement with bad positioned hydras. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:50 Doublemint wrote: just tuned in, what is this action packed madness :D LotV my friend, they finally brought the Archon back :') How you ask? What major buffs? Hahaha no no they just made the other lategame ground units shit :D | ||
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Just end it. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:53 letian wrote: How come you lose 30 probes and still win? Bly threw away like 40 hydras for nothing. | ||
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tbh this is boring, basically Pylons being overcharged and protoss units being lame. Have fun watching, I'm out gl Bly | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:54 Phredxor wrote: Bly threw away like 40 hydras for nothing. In a proper strategy game economy wins, not units. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:55 KeksX wrote: Wow where did all these people come from It's all TLO's family and friends and neighbours | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:54 Phredxor wrote: Bly threw away like 40 hydras for nothing. Don't forget the 15-20 roaches to kill those, that killed no army of Drogo. | ||
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wow | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:56 letian wrote: In a proper strategy game economy wins, not units. you really want to start that argument? now? here? good luck, friend. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:56 Heyoka wrote: hahah that was awesome TL_DROGO CONFIRMED | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: It's all TLO's family and friends and neighbours Typical Ossis, huge freaking families. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:54 KeksX wrote: Feels like Bly is staying in that game to take energy off of Drogo. Does he seriously think he can win this? I felt like Drogo was dragging it out to mess with Bly. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:56 letian wrote: In a proper strategy game economy wins, not units. I guess Bly could have used that fifth base like Drogo did? | ||
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Great games though. Fun to watch | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:56 letian wrote: In a proper strategy game economy wins, not units. I mean I guess you could win with just probes or drones, but I doubt it. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:57 D-light wrote: I guess Bly could have used that fifth base like Drogo did? Was about to say; his argument is complete nuts. Thats why we should talk about how bad the music is. That crowd would've been cheering with some proper StarCraft music. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:56 letian wrote: In a proper strategy game economy wins, not units. errr wut? | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: winrate: 0% nice stats DH most useless stat ever. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:59 KeksX wrote: Was about to say; his argument is complete nuts. Thats why we should talk about how bad the music is. That crowd would've been cheering with some proper Starcraft music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbIIMjPErK4 We'd still be the #1 esport if all of our music was this good | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:58 Phredxor wrote: I mean I guess you could win with just probes or drones, but I doubt it. He's an imbecile or trolling. At all other points in the game Drogo had better eco. 5 bases vs 3. 3 bases mining vs one. But he fixes on a certain point and arguys that this is the point in the game that defines the whole game. It's like terran pretending they are Polt and sacks 3-4 medivacs of units to kill your 3rd/4th and then loses to the counter and cries Protoss OP. There should be an ignore button. | ||
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On January 24 2016 19:59 Die4Ever wrote: We'd still be the #1 esport if all of our music was this good StarCraft for me is like 90% epic music after games with players creepily staring at their monitors and the fans cheering. Wait I think that doesn't make it look exciting. But it is. We need to have that in all StarCraft tourneys. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Bly doesn't lose on Ulrena guys Drogo is known for being able to kill 30 drones every time he does the double adept + oracle opening on Ulrena though. Really good play by Bly so far though, forcing the adepts to stay home | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:02 RvB wrote: Ulrena =/ That means it's 2-2 already. 2:3, don't forget about Central Protocol :D | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:02 RvB wrote: Ulrena =/ That means it's 2-2 already. Yeah. Maybe just drone rush Naniwa style | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:02 Mozdk wrote: He's an imbecile or trolling. At all other points in the game Drogo had better eco. 5 bases vs 3. 3 bases mining vs one. But he fixes on a certain point and arguys that this is the point in the game that defines the whole game. It's like terran pretending they are Polt and sacks 3-4 medivacs of units to kill your 3rd/4th and then loses to the counter and cries Protoss OP. There should be an ignore button. Haha I know. But to be fair I have seen some players win with nothing but SCVs and planetarys. No units needed. Admittedly it was Dragon vs a Gold leaguer but still. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:03 Phredxor wrote: Haha I know. But to be fair I have seen some players win with nothing but SCVs and planetarys. No units needed. Admittedly it was Dragon vs a Gold leaguer but still. His logic is still flawed. That you CAN win with pure eco is not an argument in the game just played. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:04 Mozdk wrote: His logic is still flawed. That you CAN win with pure eco is not an argument in the game just played. Of course, he's probably just one of those people who hate on Protoss for any reason. Seems to be a lot of them around. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:05 Mozdk wrote: Well. 13 workers up. I guess Drogo has a chance to make it a game on this map? PtitDronekiller. He's always doing huge damage on this map | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:05 Phredxor wrote: Of course, he's probably just one of those people who hate on Protoss for any reason. Seems to be a lot of them around. Protoss needs an ambassador. Where's Has? | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:06 Heartland wrote: The way to play Ulrena in all mu's is one gw-expand with sg, walling off the choke with pylons and then going three bases No one goes 1 gate in PvP on this map. No one is even trying it. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:05 Mozdk wrote: Well. 13 workers up. I guess Drogo has a chance to make it a game on this map? A game? That was a stomp from the very beginning. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Bly doesn't lose on Ulrena guys aha | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:07 Mozdk wrote: No one goes 1 gate in PvP on this map. No one is even trying it. I do! | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:08 HolydaKing wrote: A game? That was a stomp from the very beginning. Not really, the first oracle was defended really well. Once Adepts attacked it was more onesided. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:09 Elentos wrote: Europe's best fire extinguisher. Dragon's are resistant to fire | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:12 Makro wrote: no tilt and this is for you No "From 4-1 to 3-4" this time plx ;< | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:09 Kaizor wrote: WTH nonsense was Rotti sprouting !?!? "Bly just didn't have enough in time !!" Way to overlook how much bs damage those adepts did. Going to stop here before i get a warning or a ban. What is this? Terrans salting my PvZ matches? mhhhmmm | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:16 Dodgin wrote: Dreamhack Starcraft trailer: showing a bunch of players that are no longer allowed to compete at Dreamhack winning Dreamhack Nice spot haha | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:15 Shield wrote: Are there VODs or will there be? I missed some of the interesting games. Check their twitch channel few days after the event is finished | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:16 Dodgin wrote: Dreamhack Starcraft trailer: showing a bunch of players that are no longer allowed to compete at Dreamhack winning Dreamhack I'm still sad that Koreans aren't allowed to compete but at the same time I have to say this Dreamhack was surprisingly good. A lot of entertaining games, good casting, good interviews, good production | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:19 Yello wrote: I'm still sad that Koreans aren't allowed to compete but at the same time I have to say this Dreamhack was surprisingly good. A lot of entertaining games, good casting, good interviews, good production They should do all interviews on a couch. It seems to work much better than the onstage interviews which always have awkward answers. Just let them cheer, then take them to the seating place for a relaxed interview. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:21 Musicus wrote: Beautiful work from Borsti .https://twitter.com/_Borsti/status/691218501269348353 borsti delivers | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:21 A_needle_jog wrote: why are twitch chat so mean? I think audience is very good looking modern people It's twitch chat. It's either mean, or stupid. Or both | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: They should do all interviews on a couch. It seems to work much better than the onstage interviews which always have awkward answers. Just let them cheer, then take them to the seating place for a relaxed interview. It's also that we see players interviewed that we didn't see before because they actually have a chance to go far now. I was very skeptical of the new WCS system and I'm still not sure if I really like it but this tournament has been a good start of the season so far, so maybe it's not so bad after all | ||
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I guess Blizzard's strategy of banning Koreans of competing in WCS worked: viewership is down the drain and two complete unknowns are competing in the finals. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:26 maartendq wrote: Never thought I'd see the day that a Dreamhack Finals has less than 35,000 viewers. I guess Blizzard's strategy of banning Koreans of competing in WCS worked: viewership is down the drain and two complete unknowns are competing in the finals. Viewership is unchanged, it's just the usual suspects watching minus the murican ones cuz too early | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:26 maartendq wrote: Never thought I'd see the day that a Dreamhack Finals has less than 35,000 viewers. I guess Blizzard's strategy of banning Koreans of competing in WCS worked: viewership is down the drain and two complete unknowns are competing in the finals. complete unknowns lol All these people that feel the need to get in here and make a single shitpost, it blows my mind. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:29 Heartland wrote: i don't see Bly surviving Drogo is making several mistakes now though. | ||
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Heartland
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On January 24 2016 20:30 Thobrik wrote: Drogo is making several mistakes now though. Yeah, but Protoss has the eco advantage and the composition advantage | ||
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Korea (South)699 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:30 Nikon wrote: Hmm, Bly expanding towards Drogo. Bly has ground army and taking base away from Drogo is longer way. Taking base towards Drogo is very good decision by Bly. If Bly was Muta then other base okay. But this is good | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:31 Penev wrote: Now can I finally have my mined out ruins of seras game? they'll mine out the map, and then max out 5 minutes after lol, with 3-3 upgrades coming after that | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:33 Heartland wrote: The ZvP tech interaction has become pretty interesting. Zerg's aim is one of the third tier techs, sort of like how Protoss is usually played HAs he enough time to do it, i dont think so | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:34 Topdoller wrote: HAs he enough time to do it, i dont think so I meant in general | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:33 Die4Ever wrote: they'll mine out the map, and then max out 5 minutes after lol, with 3-3 upgrades coming after that I admire your passion | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:30 A_needle_jog wrote: Bly has ground army and taking base away from Drogo is longer way. Taking base towards Drogo is very good decision by Bly. If Bly was Muta then other base okay. But this is good He ended up getting it squashed though. Overall, a very unfortunate game for Bly. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:37 Zergiica wrote: come on bly, win this and try to prove us there is balance in lotv! aaand it's gone, better luck next time to all of the zergs and specially terrans because if there's no skill gap you have no chance right now. | ||
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Korea (South)699 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:37 Nikon wrote: He ended up getting it squashed though. Overall, a very unfortunate game for Bly. Bly looks like not good late game decision and control | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:38 Boucot wrote: LotV will be the era of the Frenchies in foreignland. I hope uThermal keeps improving | ||
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I can't believe this is what the "scene" wants. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:39 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: RIP Bly. I can't believe this is what the "scene" wants. It's not what the scene wants, it's what a couple dozen very vocal, very obnoxious fucking pillocks want, and somehow Blizz and is listening to them. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The Door wins Door needs nerf for sure! | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:40 Heartland wrote: can he open a champagne bottle better than a Korean? Lets hope not. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:41 Luolis wrote: Yeah it's pretty awesomeTournament winner showing emotion. Havent seen this in a while :D | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well congratulations ptitdrogo, deserved win here. Hard work pays off 4 years of hard work | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:41 Die4Ever wrote: today I'm the fucking best lmao That was great ;D | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:41 Luolis wrote: Tournament winner showing emotion. Havent seen this in a while :D Solar has emotions | ||
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letian
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Looking at the tournament branch, I see that Bly won all Koreans on the way while Drogo won some nonames. He obviously deserves to win this final, but not the tournament. | ||
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Finland7364 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:41 Luolis wrote: Tournament winner showing emotion. Havent seen this in a while :D Faceless computers amirite. xD | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:42 Heartland wrote: "Today I am the fucking best [when all the better players have been banned from participating]" This is not the time or the place for that. | ||
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GG Drogo I am happy for you | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:42 letian wrote: I know Bly, but never actually thought that Drogo is even a decent player. Looking at the tournament branch, I see that Bly won all Koreans on the way while Drogo won some nonames. He obviously deserves to win this final, but not the tournament. You obviously haven't been following SC2 lately... Congrats to Drogo! | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:44 ilikeredheads wrote: boss slained?? uh no | ||
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It's funny that Fins are discussing this | ||
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Vedeynevin
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On January 24 2016 20:38 Zergiica wrote: aaand it's gone, better luck next time to all of the zergs and specially terrans because if there's no skill gap you have no chance right now. Oh please. Drogo was clearly the better player imo. Several times bly would send his entire army to deal with small harass and then drove would snipe a base with his army. He also lost a few hatches to single zealots. Don't act like balance won this for drogo. And before you say it, I play Zerg so I'm not fucking biased. | ||
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Shield
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On January 24 2016 20:42 Heartland wrote: "Today I am the fucking best [when all the better players have been banned from participating]" Why are they banned? | ||
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IceBerrY
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This win will motivate foreigners to put more work into this game i hope. WP Drogo. | ||
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letian
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On January 24 2016 20:46 IceBerrY wrote: So happy to see much emotion, not used to it when watching starcraft. This win will motivate foreigners to put more work into this game i hope. WP Drogo. Yeah, sure :D | ||
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Mozdk
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Good tournament. Good games. Good runs. Close exiting matchups. | ||
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if you're korean you aint allowed in | ||
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Zergiica
Croatia125 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:45 Vedeynevin wrote: Oh please. Drogo was clearly the better player imo. Several times bly would send his entire army to deal with small harass and then drove would snipe a base with his army. He also lost a few hatches to single zealots. Don't act like balance won this for drogo. And before you say it, I play Zerg so I'm not fucking biased. like i said, where is no skill gap, balance wins it. game is awful right now and that is it. i'm not saying drogo is bad or he didn't play it well, i'm just saying that imbalance made it possible for him to win tournamen he wouldn't win otherwise. and ban of skilled player, of course. but i don't mind less koreans in tournaments, it is good for foreign scene User was warned for this post | ||
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this is what people wanna watch http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/b/480596881?t=9h48m03s | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
I thought it's just there is no Korean qualifiers. If their team is willing to pay for the traveling they can still play from the open right? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:50 Zergiica wrote: like i said, where is no skill gap, balance wins it. game is awful right now and that is it. i'm not saying drogo is bad or he didn't play it well, i'm just saying that imbalance made it possible for him to win tournamen he wouldn't win otherwise. and ban of skilled player, of course. but i don't mind less koreans in tournaments, it is good for foreign scene Get out of here. | ||
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Penev
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On January 24 2016 20:51 Yiome wrote: I thought it's just there is no Korean qualifiers. If their team is willing to pay for the traveling they can still play from the open right? Nope | ||
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Shuffleblade
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On January 24 2016 20:45 Vedeynevin wrote: Oh please. Drogo was clearly the better player imo. Several times bly would send his entire army to deal with small harass and then drove would snipe a base with his army. He also lost a few hatches to single zealots. Don't act like balance won this for drogo. And before you say it, I play Zerg so I'm not fucking biased. Exactly my point about balance, WP harass, warps in 20 zealots, thats not a harass you can handle by branching off 5 roaches, Bly had to send at least half his army, which would have made it impossible for him to defend the army sniping the hatch anyway. In that situation Bly made the better choice, move whole army to get minimal losses from zealots since if you would take half there would be nothing they could do anyway. The games were low econ, they weren't maxed out, Bly didn't have a huge army. WP harass is really really hard to deal with. | ||
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Dodgin
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On January 24 2016 20:51 Yiome wrote: I thought it's just there is no Korean qualifiers. If their team is willing to pay for the traveling they can still play from the open right? Nope no native Korean players, only Koreans with athletic Visa's for another country | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:50 Gullis wrote: I don't like all the emotion. this is what people wanna watch http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/b/480596881?t=9h48m03s what about http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/v/34228481? | ||
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yolteotl
France76 Posts
"Great storylines" said Nerchio. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:50 Zergiica wrote: like i said, where is no skill gap, balance wins it. game is awful right now and that is it. i'm not saying drogo is bad or he didn't play it well, i'm just saying that imbalance made it possible for him to win tournamen he wouldn't win otherwise. and ban of skilled player, of course. but i don't mind less koreans in tournaments, it is good for foreign scene So, suddently, P>Z, interesting... | ||
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United Kingdom1710 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:51 Yiome wrote: I thought it's just there is no Korean qualifiers. If their team is willing to pay for the traveling they can still play from the open right? There's WCS Korea and WCS Circuit. You can't go between the two | ||
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Dingodile
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On January 24 2016 20:50 Zergiica wrote: like i said, where is no skill gap, balance wins it. game is awful right now and that is it. i'm not saying drogo is bad or he didn't play it well, i'm just saying that imbalance made it possible for him to win tournamen he wouldn't win otherwise. and ban of skilled player, of course. but i don't mind less koreans in tournaments, it is good for foreign scene hard counter design and asymmetrical opening/early game decrease the skill gap tremendously. | ||
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GoloSC2
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On January 24 2016 20:53 Shuffleblade wrote: Exactly my point about balance, WP harass, warps in 20 zealots, thats not a harass you can handle by branching off 5 roaches, Bly had to send at least half his army, which would have made it impossible for him to defend the army sniping the hatch anyway. In that situation Bly made the better choice, move whole army to get minimal losses from zealots since if you would take half there would be nothing they could do anyway. The games were low econ, they weren't maxed out, Bly didn't have a huge army. WP harass is really really hard to deal with. Warping in 20 zealots doesn't sound like low econ game. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:54 yolteotl wrote: So, WCS 2016 gives us a one sided final between a zerg who never won any major/premier tournament against a RO32 WCS2015 protoss. "Great storylines" said Nerchio. It's a new game, you can't look at past results. | ||
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Sweden1903 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:55 GoloSC2 wrote: Warping in 20 zealots doesn't sound like low econ game. Well the last game was low econ for Bly, not so much for Drogo, thats true xD | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:54 yolteotl wrote: So, WCS 2016 gives us a one sided final between a zerg who never won any major/premier tournament against a RO32 WCS2015 protoss. "Great storylines" said Nerchio. storylines have to start somewhere | ||
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Sweden2276 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:50 Gullis wrote: I don't like all the emotion. this is what people wanna watch http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/b/480596881?t=9h48m03s I don't mind either way. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:55 A_needle_jog wrote: I am Zerg fanboy many people know me, but I think we have to honestly say that Bly played bad games today. I think this games today are no reason for balance discussion in either way I disagree I thought Bly played great games, besides the game he threw by running his maxed out hydra army into the meatgrinder. (And oh yeah I missed the first two games don't know how they looked) | ||
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but I'm excited for DH: Austin!!! I'll be able to actually visit.Also grats drogo! | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:53 Shuffleblade wrote: You realize 20 zealots is 40 supply right? At no point did Drogo warp in 20 zealots. Bly should have made static-D to mess with the zealot ai and kill or even damage the WP while protecting his expansions with his main army. He couldn't and that's why he repeatedly lost the econ war.Exactly my point about balance, WP harass, warps in 20 zealots, thats not a harass you can handle by branching off 5 roaches, Bly had to send at least half his army, which would have made it impossible for him to defend the army sniping the hatch anyway. In that situation Bly made the better choice, move whole army to get minimal losses from zealots since if you would take half there would be nothing they could do anyway. The games were low econ, they weren't maxed out, Bly didn't have a huge army. WP harass is really really hard to deal with. | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
Nvm I confused circuits event with global ones I thought DH would be a WCS globe events. | ||
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IceBerrY
Germany220 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:54 yolteotl wrote: So, WCS 2016 gives us a one sided final between a zerg who never won any major/premier tournament against a RO32 WCS2015 protoss. "Great storylines" said Nerchio. Yeah right, because unexpected winners are truly boring. What is wrong with people on TL, so much salt, it is horrible and sad. | ||
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On January 24 2016 21:12 Ppjack wrote: GG Drogo ! How was the viewership ? Broke 30k on the main stream. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:59 Clipped wrote: You realize 20 zealots is 40 supply right? At no point did Drogo warp in 20 zealots. Bly should have made static-D to mess with the zealot ai and kill or even damage the WP while protecting his expansions with his main army. He couldn't and that's why he repeatedly lost the econ war. Well you are correct, it probably wasn't 20 but it was more than 10, it was at least 12. I can count for you when the cast is up. Nevertheless it wasn't a "harass" you could handle by splitting off a fraction of your army. Man, do you even play sc2, you realize the WP can go anywhere on the map right? You can't build static D in your main, first exp, third exp and around everyone of your tech structures. That would cost huge amounts of resources. I'm guessing you didn't say the same thing about mutas in hots did you, "oh well its his own fault for not building static defense all over every base" Complaing about balance is stupid, it was probably Blys build orders but the last game, there was just never anything Bly could have done to win that game. | ||
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On January 24 2016 21:03 IceBerrY wrote: Yeah right, because unexpected winners are truly boring. What is wrong with people on TL, so much salt, it is horrible and sad. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that every StarCraft fan on the planet has to enjoy exactly the same things. Actually no, some of us do like seeing consistent winners, like the same person doing well in more than one tournament before falling off the face of the planet, shocking I know. Although maybe I'm spoilt having followed Flash and sAviOr and JaeDong in BW... | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:14 207aicila wrote: Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that every StarCraft fan on the planet has to enjoy exactly the same things. Actually no, some of us do like seeing consistent winners, like the same person doing well in more than one tournament before falling off the face of the planet, shocking I know. Although maybe I'm spoilt having followed Flash and sAviOr and JaeDong in BW... So why not both then? I wouldnt be surprised if Ptitdrogo became a consistent tournament winner in lotv. Man the negativity is just astounding. | ||
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A_needle_jog
Korea (South)699 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:13 Mozdk wrote: Replays: https://twitter.com/DreamHackOpen/status/691231884228034560 Thank you. I wanted to watch Snute vs Kelthuzad | ||
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Homunculus159
Austria220 Posts
On January 24 2016 20:50 Gullis wrote: I don't like all the emotion. this is what people wanna watch http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/b/480596881?t=9h48m03s Bad example imo. Find me one of a Korean who is winning his first championship and still being emotionless and not one who had like 6 or 7 already.... + listen to the cast not even Rotti is excited about it. | ||
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207aicila
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On January 24 2016 21:16 Luolis wrote: So why not both then? I wouldnt be surprised if Ptitdrogo became a consistent tournament winner in lotv. Man the negativity is just astounding. Didn't say he wouldn't / couldn't but holy shit people really love to regurgitate the meme about underdogs and storylines and other such meaningless buzzword tripe; no motherfucker I don't give a shit about that, just give me the best, most consistently good players. That's how I feel, that's how I've always felt, and I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel the same way, otherwise SC2 would truly have died. If I could watch the SC2 equivalent of FanTaSy vs JangBi over and over again in every tournament I'd be ok with that... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Wasn't interested in the finals which is why i didn't bother watching it, how was it? | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:18 Homunculus159 wrote: Bad example imo. Find me one of a Korean who is winning his first championship and still being emotionless and not one who had like 6 or 7 already.... + listen to the cast not even Rotti is excited about it. You do realise that the game was over like 5 minutes ago and Bly was just Fantasy gg-timing it. Its kinda hard to get excited about that :D | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:20 207aicila wrote: Didn't say he wouldn't / couldn't but holy shit people really love to regurgitate the meme about underdogs and storylines and other such meaningless buzzword tripe; no motherfucker I don't give a shit about that, just give me the best, most consistently good players. That's how I feel, that's how I've always felt, and I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel the same way, otherwise SC2 would truly have died. If I could watch the SC2 equivalent of FanTaSy vs JangBi over and over again in every tournament I'd be ok with that... Seems like people value different things in sc2. What a shocker | ||
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Gullis
Sweden740 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:18 Homunculus159 wrote: Bad example imo. Find me one of a Korean who is winning his first championship and still being emotionless and not one who had like 6 or 7 already.... + listen to the cast not even Rotti is excited about it. Fair enough, was just annoyed by all the negativity in thread, and tried to make a joke about it. | ||
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Homunculus159
Austria220 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:20 The_Red_Viper wrote: GZ drogo! Wasn't interested in the finals which is why i didn't bother watching it, how was it? I saw some of it and wasn't too impressed tbh. Drogo had a few cooler series in this tournament imo. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:21 Luolis wrote: Seems like people value different things in sc2. What a shocker I know right, please send the same message to same people who keep shouting over and over again that everyone only cares about foreign hope and underdogs and "it's dedgaem otherwise pls blizzard region lock or we stop watching". | ||
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Homunculus159
Austria220 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:22 Gullis wrote: Fair enough, was just annoyed by all the negativity in thread, and tried to make a joke about it. Yea well. Gotta learn to ignore it. There will always be negative people and most of the time those are the most vocal ones | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:23 207aicila wrote: I know right, please send the same message to same people who keep shouting over and over again that everyone only cares about foreign hope and underdogs and "it's dedgaem otherwise pls blizzard region lock or we stop watching". Sure. I think this new WCS-system is a bit weird with almost every weekend tournament not having Koreans. I would rather have something wcs 2012-esque and weekend tournaments staying untouched, but well have to go with this. I just dont feel like salting over it all the time, ill just rather enjoy the games and players. | ||
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drifterr
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PsychoKillerSC2
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
Cool ! Still better than any korean tournament, and broadcasted at the same horrible time | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
Btw where are these people telling PvZ is ultra zerg favored, didn't seem to me when Drogo composition was destroying TLO's one or looking at the scores :x. I'm glad viOlet/Hydra didn't make it so people can see that 2 mid tier koreans are less likely to win than one of the 30 foreigners. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:35 Ppjack wrote: Cool ! Still better than any korean tournament, and broadcasted at the same horrible time Nice bait! Hope you enjoyed watching. Congrats to little Drogo, and also to Bly! Nice finishes. | ||
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A_needle_jog
Korea (South)699 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:35 Poopi wrote: Gratz Drogo. Btw where are these people telling PvZ is ultra zerg favored, didn't seem to me when Drogo composition was destroying TLO's one or looking at the scores :x. I'm glad viOlet/Hydra didn't make it so people can see that 2 mid tier koreans are less likely to win than one of the 30 foreigners. That was at the beginning of LOTV because of bad statistic from untrustworthy sites with bad record. Now people are a little bit more mature and understand that balance is not bad overall after the koreans started playing and we have seen some tournaments Like when LOTV came out Protoss player died to Lurker because they ran into them with stalkers and now they just build Observer, Zealots, Archon and Immortal and Lurker are basically useless. Game is always evolving. Maybe in 2 month everyone says Terran is stronger than protoss. who knows, but I think recent results have clearly shown to all people that Zerg is actually quite weak in LOTV | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:35 Poopi wrote: Gratz Drogo. Btw where are these people telling PvZ is ultra zerg favored, didn't seem to me when Drogo composition was destroying TLO's one or looking at the scores :x. I'm glad viOlet/Hydra didn't make it so people can see that 2 mid tier koreans are less likely to win than one of the 30 foreigners. That's not how statistics work and not what these result shows. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Wrath
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People do not tune in for a certain player or whatever, they tune in for the whole tournament or just Ro4 or the finals. | ||
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GoloSC2
710 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:14 Shuffleblade wrote: Well you are correct, it probably wasn't 20 but it was more than 10, it was at least 12. I can count for you when the cast is up. Nevertheless it wasn't a "harass" you could handle by splitting off a fraction of your army. Man, do you even play sc2, you realize the WP can go anywhere on the map right? You can't build static D in your main, first exp, third exp and around everyone of your tech structures. That would cost huge amounts of resources. I'm guessing you didn't say the same thing about mutas in hots did you, "oh well its his own fault for not building static defense all over every base" Complaing about balance is stupid, it was probably Blys build orders but the last game, there was just never anything Bly could have done to win that game. I personally didn't like sacrificing those Zerglings in the beginning. He sure did some damage but even after that harass I think they were even in workers while Drogo had been building up Adepts to defend vs the Lings. So he just built a few more and counterattacked, and after that Bly was behind. | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:14 Shuffleblade wrote: Well you are correct, it probably wasn't 20 but it was more than 10, it was at least 12. I can count for you when the cast is up. Nevertheless it wasn't a "harass" you could handle by splitting off a fraction of your army. Man, do you even play sc2, you realize the WP can go anywhere on the map right? You can't build static D in your main, first exp, third exp and around everyone of your tech structures. That would cost huge amounts of resources. I'm guessing you didn't say the same thing about mutas in hots did you, "oh well its his own fault for not building static defense all over every base" Complaing about balance is stupid, it was probably Blys build orders but the last game, there was just never anything Bly could have done to win that game. Lol, apparently I wasn't clear enough. There were times he pulled his entire army back for ONE ZEALOT THAT WAS ATTACKING A BUILDING HATCH AND DIDN'T COME FROM A WARP PRISM. Obviously you have to split off more then a few units to deal with late game prisms warping in 12 zealots. But even then you don't need to pull the whole army over there. Here lemme try....man do you even play sc2, you realize 2 roaches will kill 1 zealot right? They even added hotkeys in lotv that make it easier to split off units. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:38 boxerfred wrote: Nice bait! Hope you enjoyed watching. Congrats to little Drogo, and also to Bly! Nice finishes. I did not see the finals, but overall I thought the tournament was really well paced and fun to watch. Since they don't broadcast every game and players are not on stage, maybe a loser bracket or another group stage would be really great/fair for players (eg: snute or marinelord not having to play almost only their worst MU). However the group stage-BO5-BO7 path was a great addition, dreamhacks always felt a bit too rushed even on Hots that had longer games. All in all I had a good time watching this dreamhack ! | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18407 Posts
Not surprising he finally wins a big one | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:16 sparklyresidue wrote: Is Drogo named after Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones? Wasn't expecting these results ! Were the games good? his name means little dragon | ||
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:16 sparklyresidue wrote: Is Drogo named after Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones? Wasn't expecting these results ! Were the games good? Not exactly high quality but very back and forth and full of aggression. Drogo looked like a better player but Bly didn't give up easily. | ||
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A_needle_jog
Korea (South)699 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:16 sparklyresidue wrote: Is Drogo named after Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones? Wasn't expecting these results ! Were the games good? Games weren't of the highest quality we have ever seen in the Starcraft. As for name I think PtitDrogo is french for "little dragon" they said on stream I believe. | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:35 Ppjack wrote: Cool ! Still better than any korean tournament, and broadcasted at the same horrible time Do Koreans ever have tournaments on weekends? | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:23 A_needle_jog wrote: Games weren't of the highest quality we have ever seen in the Starcraft. As for name I think PtitDrogo is french for "little dragon" they said on stream I believe. Dragon in french is dragon though :p Drogo doesn't mean anything, but if the casters said so maybe it's what he's going for i guess Ptit is basically petit which is like saying lil' instead of little | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:26 rednusa wrote: Do Koreans ever have tournaments on weekends? League finals are on weekends. | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:40 gruff wrote: That's not how statistics work and not what these result shows. Pretty sure Hydra (viOlet might have bad aligulac elo, not sure) had the highest winning chance but it was more likely that someone who isn't him wins the whole thing. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:39 Poopi wrote: Pretty sure Hydra (viOlet might have bad aligulac elo, not sure) had the highest winning chance but it was more likely that someone who isn't him wins the whole thing. Hydra's aligulac rating is still inflated as heck from him reking worse players in HotS. He was like top 10 on aligulac before he lost to Bly which is completely absurd considering how Hydra has been playing in LotV (and yes viOlet's rating was really low). Drogo wasn't even in the top 5 to win I think and Bly neither. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:30 ArtyK wrote: Dragon in french is dragon though :p Drogo doesn't mean anything, but if the casters said so maybe it's what he's going for i guess Ptit is basically petit which is like saying lil' instead of little he thinks he looks like a little drogo which is true | ||
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DinosaurPoop
687 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:42 WrathSCII wrote: After thinking about it, the entire viewership is completely irrelevant to the WCS system. Whatever happens, the viewer count will always range about the same value no matter what. People do not tune in for a certain player or whatever, they tune in for the whole tournament or just Ro4 or the finals. Yeah recently in 2015-16 the core viewerbase has been practically unshaken, when I saw an IEM last year don't remember which, I was like "Holy moly 20k for the open bracket? imagine the finals!" Then it turns out the finals only have like 10-15k more. The dedicated viewerbase was just actually watching from start to finish lol. | ||
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207aicila
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On January 24 2016 22:44 Elentos wrote: Hydra's aligulac rating is still inflated as heck from him reking worse players in HotS. He was like top 10 on aligulac before he lost to Bly which is completely absurd considering how Hydra has been playing in LotV (and yes viOlet's rating was really low). Yeah Hydra's rating is inflated mostly because he steamrolled a ton of online tournaments. It's a little ridiculous when you look at it. But I'm not sure how you can say viOLet's was really low considering that with the exception of one slump period in early 2014, he has consistently been between 1800 and 2000 over the last 3 years. Moreover if you look at his recent results (2015 and 2016 in this link) you'll simply see that he hasn't been playing a lot and he also hasn't been winning as much as you might think. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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stuchiu
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Elentos
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On January 24 2016 22:51 207aicila wrote: Yeah Hydra's rating is inflated mostly because he steamrolled a ton of online tournaments. It's a little ridiculous when you look at it. But I'm not sure how you can say viOLet's was really low considering that with the exception of one slump period in early 2014, he has consistently been between 1800 and 2000 over the last 3 years. Moreover if you look at his recent results (2015 and 2016 in this link) you'll simply see that he hasn't been playing a lot and he also hasn't been winning as much as you might think. Well, I didn't say viOlet's rating being low isn't justified, I just meant it's really low compared to some other players at DH so aligulac wouldn't predict him to win On a side note, I'm curious about Drogo's Blizzcon chances now... | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:16 sparklyresidue wrote: Is Drogo named after Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones? Wasn't expecting these results ! Were the games good? Nope, Drogo is a strange way of spelling "dragon" and Ptit means "little". Source being some interview he did some time ago. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:51 Vedeynevin wrote: Lol, apparently I wasn't clear enough. There were times he pulled his entire army back for ONE ZEALOT THAT WAS ATTACKING A BUILDING HATCH AND DIDN'T COME FROM A WARP PRISM. Obviously you have to split off more then a few units to deal with late game prisms warping in 12 zealots. But even then you don't need to pull the whole army over there. Here lemme try....man do you even play sc2, you realize 2 roaches will kill 1 zealot right? They even added hotkeys in lotv that make it easier to split off units. Proof or didn't happen =D | ||
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PsychoKillerSC2
6 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:13 Mozdk wrote: Replays: https://twitter.com/DreamHackOpen/status/691231884228034560 No have last game of final.. on map risk of seras? | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
And i'have to say that's the lack of koreans had a great impact for me. Unless when a french player was involved i wasn't really interested... | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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The_Masked_Shrimp
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 24 2016 23:48 TheDougler wrote: What was vierership numbers like? I tried to wake up in time for it but body said no... 45k ish I think total? 30k on mainstream. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On January 24 2016 23:48 TheDougler wrote: What was vierership numbers like? I tried to wake up in time for it but body said no... With a real time and not this farce of time, the final could have outdone Dreamhack LotV winter easy. I am not the Thorin fan, but he is right with one thing, when he talked about NA CS and EU CS: EU citizens stay late up to watch content out of NA, NA cannot (work, school, sleep) get up super early to watch EU content. Even tho I hate the new weekend events in the WCS Circuit, I expect a very strong viewernumber at Dreamhack Austin. But on the same side, CS:GO final started at 13.00 CET (7 EST, 4 PST) with 200k viewers. I dont think this tournament does say alot about the circuit. In the end, WCS Spring finals at Kato will do this: A real (side-)stage, maybe a real time for the final (wasnt it last year 16.00 CET? Sunday?) and alot of games directly next to SC II: CS:GO 250k event and IEM World finals of LoL. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote: I guess the time makes a difference but 30k for an all foreign final sounds pathetic It was around 45k as I said, not 30k. 30k was just the main stream. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote: I guess the time makes a difference but 30k for an all foreign final sounds pathetic Thats about what any SC2 event is pulling these days if not less. I can't think of the last time I've seen any numbers as high/higher. Do you think it would have been 50-75k if it were two Koreans? Or one Korean and a Foreigner? I don't think it would have been much different either way. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:28 FLuE wrote: Thats about what any SC2 event is pulling these days if not less. I can't think of the last time I've seen any numbers as high/higher. Do you think it would have been 50-75k if it were two Koreans? Or one Korean and a Foreigner? I don't think it would have been much different either way. No but if WCS 2016 was all about this magic rainbow of getting casual viewers I'd expect to see an uptick in viewership for an all foreign final, not a group of numbers that's down 20% on HSC | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:33 showstealer1829 wrote: No but if WCS 2016 was all about this magic rainbow of getting casual viewers I'd expect to see an uptick in viewership for an all foreign final, not a group of numbers that's down 20% on HSC Where did the WCS system claim to be a magic system for increasing casual viewership? I don't see the correlation between the system and casuals, casuals wouldn't know/care if it was all foreigner or all Korean, or a mix at this point in the systems existence. The hope appears to be to prop up the scene overall around the world, so that the long term effect is to stabilize the viewership and then slowly increase interest in the game again. The first step to doing that is to try and create a more global following for a variety of players. Then you'll be able to pull viewers from all over that are fans of Koreans, Foreigners, etc. This is the same strategy used by a lot of major and minor league sports to grow their product. Put it this way, the previous system was dying, might as well try something new but to say it somehow failed already(as you are implying) is not only shortsighted but pushing forward a false narrative to prove a point that won't be proven for another few months if not year or two. | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:33 showstealer1829 wrote: No but if WCS 2016 was all about this magic rainbow of getting casual viewers I'd expect to see an uptick in viewership for an all foreign final, not a group of numbers that's down 20% on HSC This is going to sound like a list of excuses, but whatever. idk, I think we'll need to see a few tournaments before we say that. We actually had higher viewership yesterday, and time scheduling, has a lot to do with it. Not to mention this was admitted by Dreamhack, a very rushed event, the earlier parts of the tournament weren't even hype as we didn't even have a stage going into the semifinals. And another point, which I feel is a huge part, is we're essentially a fresh slate, and the players and the storylines aren't in the public eye yet. A lot of new faces to a lot of casual viewers. Nowhere near the name recognition as legends of the past like Idra or Stephano or the like. And that might take several months to develop. IF that happens. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:04 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: I was really surprised by uthermal and ptitdrogo level during the tournament, nice to see a french player take it all, unfortunately winning the dreamhack in 2016 doesn't really mean anything When was the last time you won $16,000 and earned 1,000 WCS points? | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On January 25 2016 01:06 BaneRiders wrote: When was the last time you won $16,000 and earned 1,000 WCS points? The old fallacy "you need to be a great actor to say bad things about actors". | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
I have one theory for this. This probably something none has ever thought about. Might go against all of your intuition. But I have triple checked my math, and the numbers add up. I think. I think the reason why there were so few viewers is because Starcraft two is not a popular game. In fact I would dare to say that the popularity has been decreasing for four years already. Here is detailed chart of my calculations for you math nerds + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RrRcL62.png) | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
Foreigners beating Koreans is a lot more exciting when there's only a few Koreans instead of "Oh he beat 2 Koreans but there's still PartinG on the other side so Korea still wins" Maybe they should try something like a Korean qualifier for 2-3 players who can compete for trophy/money but no WCS points (though the WCS pt system makes this weird since it denies other players) | ||
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United States1024 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 25 2016 01:29 Poopi wrote: The old fallacy "you need to be a great actor to say bad things about actors". I don't quite understand what you are aiming at , I'm pointing out that winning DH means, in this case, $16,000 in your pocket and 1,000 WCS points in addition, which, in my opinion, should mean quite a lot to any SC2 player out there. However, for someone that regularly wins this kind of money, maybe it does mean nothing. At least in theory. I have yet to hear from someone winning that kind of money / points that it doesn't mean anything. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On January 25 2016 02:29 BaneRiders wrote: I don't quite understand what you are aiming at , I'm pointing out that winning DH means, in this case, $16,000 in your pocket and 1,000 WCS points in addition, which, in my opinion, should mean quite a lot to any SC2 player out there. However, for someone that regularly wins this kind of money, maybe it does mean nothing. At least in theory. I have yet to hear from someone winning that kind of money / points that it doesn't mean anything. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here. Not sure if you're purposely baiting or what, but it's pretty obvious that what The_Masked_Shrimp meant was that the competition is so gimped compared to previous events that winning the tournament is less of an accomplishment, from a competitive (not winnings) standpoint, than before. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On January 24 2016 22:52 stuchiu wrote: I just woke up, looks like drogo cleaned up the fire? The Extinguisher | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
I went to bed at 3-1, did Drogo take it 4-1? | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On January 25 2016 02:57 Phredxor wrote: Did SGTK die? I didn't notice any polls last night and OP still isn't updated. I went to bed at 3-1, did Drogo take it 4-1? It was 4-1, yes. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:55 FLuE wrote: Where did the WCS system claim to be a magic system for increasing casual viewership? I don't see the correlation between the system and casuals, casuals wouldn't know/care if it was all foreigner or all Korean, or a mix at this point in the systems existence. The hope appears to be to prop up the scene overall around the world, so that the long term effect is to stabilize the viewership and then slowly increase interest in the game again. The first step to doing that is to try and create a more global following for a variety of players. Then you'll be able to pull viewers from all over that are fans of Koreans, Foreigners, etc. This is the same strategy used by a lot of major and minor league sports to grow their product. Put it this way, the previous system was dying, might as well try something new but to say it somehow failed already(as you are implying) is not only shortsighted but pushing forward a false narrative to prove a point that won't be proven for another few months if not year or two. The Previous System, namely WCS 2015 was drawing more viewers than this system | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On January 25 2016 02:57 Phredxor wrote: Did SGTK die? I didn't notice any polls last night and OP still isn't updated. I went to bed at 3-1, did Drogo take it 4-1? He happily posted in the ABL a couple of minutes ago, so there we know something about his priorities. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 25 2016 03:17 opisska wrote: He happily posted in the ABL a couple of minutes ago, so there we know something about his priorities. I mean, the ABL thread is a good priority to have. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 25 2016 03:29 opisska wrote: We need to copy the mafia ban list system and have offenders sit out a specified number of LRs before they are allowed to make one again And then nobody makes them anymore and all the passion is gone. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On January 25 2016 03:31 Elentos wrote: And then nobody makes them anymore and all the passion is gone. If we don't have to update them I'd be happy to make more :p Last time i had to get Pande to save me and now I'm too scared. | ||
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TronJovolta
United States323 Posts
On January 24 2016 21:42 WrathSCII wrote: After thinking about it, the entire viewership is completely irrelevant to the WCS system. Whatever happens, the viewer count will always range about the same value no matter what. People do not tune in for a certain player or whatever, they tune in for the whole tournament or just Ro4 or the finals. No. Throughout SC2's history I've watched most major tournaments I could. This one I had no interest in. Sorry, these players don't put on the caliber of games that I enjoy watching. It's that simple. I'm not trying to be toxic, just truthful. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
A deal with the devil. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Drogo to MVP. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 25 2016 00:28 FLuE wrote: Thats about what any SC2 event is pulling these days if not less. I can't think of the last time I've seen any numbers as high/higher. Do you think it would have been 50-75k if it were two Koreans? Or one Korean and a Foreigner? I don't think it would have been much different either way. NW3 was around 50k with french + english stream. For an online event. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 25 2016 02:30 207aicila wrote: Not sure if you're purposely baiting or what, but it's pretty obvious that what The_Masked_Shrimp meant was that the competition is so gimped compared to previous events that winning the tournament is less of an accomplishment, from a competitive (not winnings) standpoint, than before. This tournament had practically the same players as WCS 2015 season 1, 2 and 3 and Drogo had to win 7 matches to win this tourney, just the same as Lilbow or any of the others that won a WCS 2015 event. The major difference lies in the qualifier / challenger, but then again, all DHs in the past invited most top notch players, with a limited number of participants earning their spot through qualifiers. Of course, DHs also give room for lots of local talent, which is a really nice thing imo. I can only assume that the people who think this particular tournament doesn't mean anything also think that WCS 2015 didn't mean anything, and furthermore, currently being the best foreigner also doesn't mean anything. Personally I disagree with all of the above, I think it is quite an achievement of Drogo here, and I hope Drogo, Bly and the rest are getting even more inspired to practice for and compete in the next WCS circuit event. I don't know how far $16,000 will take you in France / $8,000 will take you in Ukraine, but I sure hope it means these guys can concentrate full time on and after the qualifiers (if they make it through) for the Winter Circuit Championship. There is really no need to hate on them for doing well in DH Leipzig. Lastly, and this is probably what set me off in the first place, I wonder why so many people spend time posting in live threads here, constantly lamenting over foreigners, stating that they won't watch this or that tournament etc etc. So much bitterness, jeez. Life is short, do something that makes you happy instead. And on that happy note, I'm out of this thread, because life is indeed short, unlike this post. I'm really looking forward to the Winter Circuit Championship qualifiers in a week or so, and for those that prefer following GSL and SSL, I hope you get lots of great games to watch in the coming days! | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
On January 25 2016 01:06 BaneRiders wrote: When was the last time you won $16,000 and earned 1,000 WCS points? Money doesn't make you a better player, compared to the achievement level a winning a dreamhack packed with relevant koreans, winning a dreamhack now hardly means anything in terms of achievement. It may be good to help foreigners make a better living (and I doubt that, it's just good for the top 4 ... ) but it won't help reduce the gap between korean pros and others. And btw you can 40% tax off his 16k, plus mYinsanity share. No way he can live off that alone in France. ANd he is 1st place; you'd have to at least win 2 of those to make an OK living. I'm not just trashtalking, i have tons of respect for player and what they have to sacrifice to follow their passion. But that's not a reason to be an idealistic rainbowtailed poney wearing blinkers. The foreigner-Korea koreans skill gap is only going to increase with this new system, and it will not help to sustain a foreign pro scene, only the very top contenders. I think it's important to point out when something wrong is wrong and not just be a permanent happy/positive/optimistic person that only sees the good in things. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On January 25 2016 03:41 Elentos wrote: Guys, I figured out the true reason Drogo won. https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/691220788704227328 A deal with the devil. He followed the one true path! | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On January 25 2016 04:53 BaneRiders wrote: This tournament had practically the same players as WCS 2015 season 1, 2 and 3 and Drogo had to win 7 matches to win this tourney, just the same as Lilbow or any of the others that won a WCS 2015 event. The major difference lies in the qualifier / challenger, but then again, all DHs in the past invited most top notch players, with a limited number of participants earning their spot through qualifiers. Of course, DHs also give room for lots of local talent, which is a really nice thing imo. I can only assume that the people who think this particular tournament doesn't mean anything also think that WCS 2015 didn't mean anything, and furthermore, currently being the best foreigner also doesn't mean anything. Personally I disagree with all of the above, I think it is quite an achievement of Drogo here, and I hope Drogo, Bly and the rest are getting even more inspired to practice for and compete in the next WCS circuit event. I don't know how far $16,000 will take you in France / $8,000 will take you in Ukraine, but I sure hope it means these guys can concentrate full time on and after the qualifiers (if they make it through) for the Winter Circuit Championship. There is really no need to hate on them for doing well in DH Leipzig. Lastly, and this is probably what set me off in the first place, I wonder why so many people spend time posting in live threads here, constantly lamenting over foreigners, stating that they won't watch this or that tournament etc etc. So much bitterness, jeez. Life is short, do something that makes you happy instead. And on that happy note, I'm out of this thread, because life is indeed short, unlike this post. I'm really looking forward to the Winter Circuit Championship qualifiers in a week or so, and for those that prefer following GSL and SSL, I hope you get lots of great games to watch in the coming days! Please don't conflate me with the people who are as extreme as to say this DH means jack shit or that I'm never watching any non-Korean tournament ever again. I'm just really surprised how many people in the community seem to think this is a positive change when it's clearly going to have a negative impact on the Korean scene. As for your point about being the best foreigner, I do think it means something, but I don't think it was decided here at this tournament. Then again, I never would make that decision (for myself, obviously) based on a single tournament, but rather longer term results and showings against strong players. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JIdCWhc.jpg) Player area is empty as the finals were shown on the main stage. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xW9A3Cc.jpg) The coveted trophy. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SjJSHZw.jpg) The finalists shake hands. I rooted for Bly. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ebdRWHk.jpg) Yet Ptitdrogo won. I have many more photos covering all three days, but I am still in the hotel where I cannot process the Raw images. I will post my best DH Leipzig photos within a few days. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
I don't know how far $16,000 will take you in France You can live with it for 10 months on france, assuming you spend 1500 euros per month. Since drogo lives with 2 people ( and far from paris so cheap rent ) and thus dividing the charges i think its pretty ok. | ||
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