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p4ch1n0
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany38 Posts
January 07 2016 09:45 GMT
#201
Sad that inno lost but he really played bad. One roach killed 16 scvs and he didn't scout the natural with 2 rax reaper.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 07 2016 09:45 GMT
#202
On January 07 2016 18:41 Sif_ wrote:
ragnarok deserved this 100% but its gonna suck if there arent any terrans in the ro8 lol

nah terrans seem to be super bad so it'll be better
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 07 2016 09:46 GMT
#203
On January 07 2016 18:43 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 18:41 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:39 atrox_ wrote:
LoTV is far too quick for just bo3s though real talk

if it's not a group stage then yeah I agree


It's too quick even in group stages. Never mind single elim Bo3.

What's the point of driving everyone out to the studio for half an hour of games? seriously.

i think 5 best of 3 series for a group stage is a very reasonable amount of starcraft, always has been


But games are what, half as short as they used to be? 5 best of 5s in lotv probably takes about as long as 5 bo3s in hots
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
January 07 2016 09:46 GMT
#204
On January 07 2016 18:43 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 18:41 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:39 atrox_ wrote:
LoTV is far too quick for just bo3s though real talk

if it's not a group stage then yeah I agree


It's too quick even in group stages. Never mind single elim Bo3.

What's the point of driving everyone out to the studio for half an hour of games? seriously.

i think 5 best of 3 series for a group stage is a very reasonable amount of starcraft, always has been


It used to be a perfectly reasonable amount of SC. Then game length got cut in half.

People in NA have to stay up until like 3 AM to watch SC2. If I've made the decision to do that, I want to see enough SC to justify my decision.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 07 2016 09:46 GMT
#205
LOL
Korean CSGO?
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 07 2016 09:46 GMT
#206
Games are always shorter at the start of an expansion, as all the cheese-defence isn't really worked out yet. The games will get longer as the meta gets figured out. Just look at bit by bit.
nucklepuckk
Profile Joined December 2015
2 Posts
January 07 2016 09:46 GMT
#207
@Qikz

He said, as there is no way for protoss to punish 3 hatch before pool.
coolprogrammingstuff
Profile Joined December 2015
906 Posts
January 07 2016 09:46 GMT
#208
On January 07 2016 18:44 ShowTheLights wrote:
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On January 07 2016 18:42 CrazyBread92 wrote:
Man LotV games are so short. Makes me wonder if well ever see epic games where maps mine out anymore. How can you have games with small engagements around the map if its gonna end on 2-4 bases everytime.

Other than that, innovation played pretty greedy and ragnarok took advantage.


Calm down. HOTS was this fast paced too at the beginning. Let the game settle, pros figure out what is best and it will slow down.


agree entirely. quit sc2 back in 2011 because it was too cheesy and all-in based - didn't like. Coming back now and loving the new units - seems much more macro based compared to then, with units and micro more similar to BW which I absolutely loved.

It'll progress to be even more macro based. Games just volatile and not entirely balanced because it's brand new. It'll get better from here, and I'm expecting it to be pretty awesome once it's a bit more figured out.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
January 07 2016 09:46 GMT
#209
On January 07 2016 18:43 Qikz wrote:
I think games are over quicker now as greedy builds can actually be punished now and since all the standard builds that carried over from HoTS are full of greedy plays then that's why it's so quick.

That's a good thing. Greed should be punishable and the meta should adapt to suit this with more defensive openers if they know the other guy is going for aggression.

Going blind 3CC Hellions was always an awful thing for the game, it just shouldn't be possible to get 3 bases that quickly.

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 18:42 CrazyBread92 wrote:
Man LotV games are so short. Makes me wonder if well ever see epic games where maps mine out anymore. How can you have games with small engagements around the map if its gonna end on 2-4 bases everytime.

Other than that, innovation played pretty greedy and ragnarok took advantage.


Games in HoTS rarely got past 3 bases as you never needed to take more :/

I wish there was actually an option to punish greedy play from the zerg.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 07 2016 09:47 GMT
#210
wow valve really is stepping up the graphical fidelity of cs go
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LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
January 07 2016 09:47 GMT
#211
B-b-but MarineLord showed us that terran was OP ! I don't understand !

On a more serious note, I juste checked and there were only 3 terrans in the SSL bracket. INno is already out, I'd be surprised (but happy) if Byun made it out, so that leaves... aLive, who plays against Classic. To be honest, if there are no terrans left in ro8, I'll completely loose all interest in this tournament.

And I'll be especially mad if all terrans die to random cheese/bullshit that'll get copied on the ladder over and over...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50607 Posts
January 07 2016 09:47 GMT
#212
On January 07 2016 18:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 18:43 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:41 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:39 atrox_ wrote:
LoTV is far too quick for just bo3s though real talk

if it's not a group stage then yeah I agree


It's too quick even in group stages. Never mind single elim Bo3.

What's the point of driving everyone out to the studio for half an hour of games? seriously.

i think 5 best of 3 series for a group stage is a very reasonable amount of starcraft, always has been


But games are what, half as short as they used to be? 5 best of 5s in lotv probably takes about as long as 5 bo3s in hots


well, you should also consider the fact that LOTV is more mentally taxing for the player, considering how much there is to do with things as fast as they are. 5 bo5s is a bit too much.
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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
January 07 2016 09:47 GMT
#213
azubu chat is like ten times worse than twitch chat. how is that even possible
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
January 07 2016 09:48 GMT
#214
On January 07 2016 18:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 18:43 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:41 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:39 atrox_ wrote:
LoTV is far too quick for just bo3s though real talk

if it's not a group stage then yeah I agree


It's too quick even in group stages. Never mind single elim Bo3.

What's the point of driving everyone out to the studio for half an hour of games? seriously.

i think 5 best of 3 series for a group stage is a very reasonable amount of starcraft, always has been


But games are what, half as short as they used to be? 5 best of 5s in lotv probably takes about as long as 5 bo3s in hots

BO5s can still be really damn long. Players need more breaks and macro games can still take a long time in LotV.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
January 07 2016 09:48 GMT
#215
This is a sad week for innovation I just want to see my favorite players dominate in sc2, but there is always some zerg to stop them(hitman, rogue and now ragnarok)

What is this cheap counter strike clone from 2000 btw?

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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
January 07 2016 09:48 GMT
#216
On January 07 2016 18:46 nucklepuckk wrote:
@Qikz

He said, as there is no way for protoss to punish 3 hatch before pool.


1 base all ins beat that no?

Zerg have always (including in Broodwar) gone up to 3 hatches before pool against a protoss who is opening 2 base.
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bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
January 07 2016 09:49 GMT
#217
I'm pretty sure there was a Sudden Attack Proleague before there was a SC2 Proleague...
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
January 07 2016 09:49 GMT
#218
On January 07 2016 18:46 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 18:43 Qikz wrote:
I think games are over quicker now as greedy builds can actually be punished now and since all the standard builds that carried over from HoTS are full of greedy plays then that's why it's so quick.

That's a good thing. Greed should be punishable and the meta should adapt to suit this with more defensive openers if they know the other guy is going for aggression.

Going blind 3CC Hellions was always an awful thing for the game, it just shouldn't be possible to get 3 bases that quickly.

On January 07 2016 18:42 CrazyBread92 wrote:
Man LotV games are so short. Makes me wonder if well ever see epic games where maps mine out anymore. How can you have games with small engagements around the map if its gonna end on 2-4 bases everytime.

Other than that, innovation played pretty greedy and ragnarok took advantage.


Games in HoTS rarely got past 3 bases as you never needed to take more :/

I wish there was actually an option to punish greedy play from the zerg.


Bunch of reapers?
No will to live, no wish to die
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19302 Posts
January 07 2016 09:49 GMT
#219
Just heard Innovation has a lot of time to practice for the next tournament. That's pretty exciting!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 07 2016 09:49 GMT
#220
On January 07 2016 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 18:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:43 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:41 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On January 07 2016 18:39 atrox_ wrote:
LoTV is far too quick for just bo3s though real talk

if it's not a group stage then yeah I agree


It's too quick even in group stages. Never mind single elim Bo3.

What's the point of driving everyone out to the studio for half an hour of games? seriously.

i think 5 best of 3 series for a group stage is a very reasonable amount of starcraft, always has been


But games are what, half as short as they used to be? 5 best of 5s in lotv probably takes about as long as 5 bo3s in hots


well, you should also consider the fact that LOTV is more mentally taxing for the player, considering how much there is to do with things as fast as they are. 5 bo5s is a bit too much.


I guess I hadn't really thought of that. Maybe a full double elimination tournament with bo5+ (depending on the round) would suffice as a balance between content and player mental health
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