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On September 26 2015 05:00 CheddarToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:42 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:36 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:34 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:32 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:27 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:22 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:17 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:14 Rollora wrote:[quote] Sorry, it just annoys me, that you can win a game solely by surprising an enemy  It really kills the fun for me. It completely takes it away for me, and many others. Its bad design I think Starcraft is a great game if you have a fun, macro games against zerg or terran, even toss if you have one that doesn't cheese. But it immidiately gets frustrating, more then a normal loss, when you lose JUST because of BS. I hope you understand my frustration  You're probably only going to lose to a surprise if you take risks. Though at a top-level I admit it's necessary to take risks sometimes. I do think you're blowing things out of proportion, people seem to think PvP is hast he most luck and bullshit yet someone like Zest has an insane PvP winrate vs other Koreans despite PvP's reputation. Oh lol someone is arguing that protoss isn't a bag of bullshit haha If you play safe in to cheese it makes it harder to defend earlier timings If you play safe vs early timings you expose yourself to later timings Playing safe vs later timings involve skipping safety measures to early timings/cheese to get more econ before they hit. Balancing those is what zvp is about. There is no one safe build. thats the struggle. The constand "ladder - mindgame" btw why the hell didn't he recall out before everything died? Well when you watch sOs he's not playing 'ladder mindgames'. What is your point anyway? I truly want to know what you are arguing for. Against the notion that sOs is some guy who just flips coins. Or that flipping coins is an issue in SC2 at all... It's mainly just a way for people to rationlize their ladder losses and minimize their own blame. Rollora admits and respects sOs skill so nothing to argue about there. Don't you agree that protoss has more ways to get easy wins at high levels than zerg or terran tho? Thx! yeah, I am deeply impressed by the amount of builds he knows and he always finds a solution/way to get out of a troublesome situation, pressure the oponent, comebacks. He impressed me at his reverse all kill, he impressed me today. But still I hate these sort of games, won by cheese or cheesy play. And while I would never call Protoss imba, their huge variety of BS/cheese to choose from makes this race so hard to predict and therefore having a slight edge in some way - it is not predictable. And the book of protoss bullshit shows, this is simply too much, no other race has so many cheeses to choose from. The race would also do fine with half these cheese-builds I don't think so. Protoss is currently balanced around that. We will have to wait and see whether it will stay that way in LotV. My guess is that it will.
Hmm I hope not. It is annoying.
But Lotv seems to be increasing the possible BS so...yeah
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On September 26 2015 05:00 CheddarToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:42 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:36 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:34 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:32 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:27 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:22 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:17 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:14 Rollora wrote:[quote] Sorry, it just annoys me, that you can win a game solely by surprising an enemy It really kills the fun for me. It completely takes it away for me, and many others. Its bad design I think Starcraft is a great game if you have a fun, macro games against zerg or terran, even toss if you have one that doesn't cheese. But it immidiately gets frustrating, more then a normal loss, when you lose JUST because of BS. I hope you understand my frustration You're probably only going to lose to a surprise if you take risks. Though at a top-level I admit it's necessary to take risks sometimes. I do think you're blowing things out of proportion, people seem to think PvP is hast he most luck and bullshit yet someone like Zest has an insane PvP winrate vs other Koreans despite PvP's reputation. Oh lol someone is arguing that protoss isn't a bag of bullshit haha If you play safe in to cheese it makes it harder to defend earlier timings If you play safe vs early timings you expose yourself to later timings Playing safe vs later timings involve skipping safety measures to early timings/cheese to get more econ before they hit. Balancing those is what zvp is about. There is no one safe build. thats the struggle. The constand "ladder - mindgame" btw why the hell didn't he recall out before everything died? Well when you watch sOs he's not playing 'ladder mindgames'. What is your point anyway? I truly want to know what you are arguing for. Against the notion that sOs is some guy who just flips coins. Or that flipping coins is an issue in SC2 at all... It's mainly just a way for people to rationlize their ladder losses and minimize their own blame. Rollora admits and respects sOs skill so nothing to argue about there. Don't you agree that protoss has more ways to get easy wins at high levels than zerg or terran tho? Thx! yeah, I am deeply impressed by the amount of builds he knows and he always finds a solution/way to get out of a troublesome situation, pressure the oponent, comebacks. He impressed me at his reverse all kill, he impressed me today. But still I hate these sort of games, won by cheese or cheesy play. And while I would never call Protoss imba, their huge variety of BS/cheese to choose from makes this race so hard to predict and therefore having a slight edge in some way - it is not predictable. And the book of protoss bullshit shows, this is simply too much, no other race has so many cheeses to choose from. The race would also do fine with half these cheese-builds I don't think so. Protoss is currently balanced around that. We will have to wait and see whether it will stay that way in LotV. My guess is that it will.
It's played around it not balanced around it 
We have no way of knowing how protoss will play out if terran has more freedom in BO's early game. Tho it probably won't change the fact that early pvt in hots is the worst designed MU ever
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On September 26 2015 05:01 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:59 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:57 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:51 Rollora wrote:
What was the reason there weren't more terrans by the way? KT hates TY so much that they barely send him out for proleague and didn't send him here to maybe get a Blizzcon spot. No other Terrans could make Blizzcon. ForGG also cancelled. Keen did win Gfinity though. Couldn't they just send out Flash (or other Terrans of other teams) just for some wins and entertainment. Flash seems pretty good recently. The games vs Innovation in Code S were all very close, trashed maru and almost all-killed Jin Air,... The only Kespa teams that like to let their players leave Korea are Samsung and Jin Air. Everyone else is only allowed to leave if they win a IEM qual. SKT get's no respect rofl Dark is that this dram hack soO was at it last year KT were truly the most evil kespa team.
Hence why I hate them
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On September 26 2015 04:58 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:56 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 fezvez wrote:On September 26 2015 04:44 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:39 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:36 Rollora wrote:
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The struggle was real, now I am crying:
First I was whining around, that protoss bullshit makes the game too versatile and I don't want it to win
Now we have a ZvZ instead of PvZ finals. Hmmm the important thing is you found a thing to complain about in every instance. that is what i was pointing too with that post. Something is wrong with me No, you fit right in the SC2 community. You should go to Reddit too You should get a special corruptor Icon. Somehow I can't stop grinning at that comment. Either it was fun. Or is it because I am drunk? Why not both? HAAHHAHAHAAA I cured your whining so send me some of your booze. I was always happy to pay the doctors bill after being cured. What do you accept? Jura (18 yo) Arran Ardbeg or some Austrian and German beer? 10L of your best German beer please. Will do, doc. And if you ever come close to ma hood (Vienna right now), be sure I will show you some nice places
Btw that last statement is serious and also counts for Zealously, since he was the ONE other guy trying to understand my agony
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Come on Solar want a play in match for Blizzcon
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On September 26 2015 05:03 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:58 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 fezvez wrote:On September 26 2015 04:44 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:39 stuchiu wrote:
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the important thing is you found a thing to complain about in every instance. that is what i was pointing too with that post. Something is wrong with me No, you fit right in the SC2 community. You should go to Reddit too You should get a special corruptor Icon. Somehow I can't stop grinning at that comment. Either it was fun. Or is it because I am drunk? Why not both? HAAHHAHAHAAA I cured your whining so send me some of your booze. I was always happy to pay the doctors bill after being cured. What do you accept? Jura (18 yo) Arran Ardbeg or some Austrian and German beer? 10L of your best German beer please. Will do, doc. And if you ever come close to ma hood (Vienna right now), be sure I will show you some nice places Btw that last statement is serious and also counts for Zealously, since he was the ONE other guy trying to understand my agony
I wonder how much a ticket costs to Vienna
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"huks and demuslims" - shots fired
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China6331 Posts
On September 26 2015 04:59 Verafin wrote:
Ok, guys and girls - who is gonna to win? Hyun or Solar?
Ughhh this is hard, I like all of HyuN, Solar and Fantasy, I guess I'll want Solar to win so HyuN and Fantasy can duel it out for their BlizzCon spot.
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On September 26 2015 05:03 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:01 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:59 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:57 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:51 Rollora wrote:
What was the reason there weren't more terrans by the way? KT hates TY so much that they barely send him out for proleague and didn't send him here to maybe get a Blizzcon spot. No other Terrans could make Blizzcon. ForGG also cancelled. Keen did win Gfinity though. Couldn't they just send out Flash (or other Terrans of other teams) just for some wins and entertainment. Flash seems pretty good recently. The games vs Innovation in Code S were all very close, trashed maru and almost all-killed Jin Air,... The only Kespa teams that like to let their players leave Korea are Samsung and Jin Air. Everyone else is only allowed to leave if they win a IEM qual. SKT get's no respect rofl Dark is that this dram hack soO was at it last year KT were truly the most evil kespa team. Hence why I hate them
What about Samsung killing JangBi's career and CJ Entus forcing effOrt and Hydra to flee from Korean progaming scene?
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On September 26 2015 05:02 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:00 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 04:42 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:36 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:34 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:32 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:27 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:22 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:17 ZAiNs wrote:
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You're probably only going to lose to a surprise if you take risks. Though at a top-level I admit it's necessary to take risks sometimes. I do think you're blowing things out of proportion, people seem to think PvP is hast he most luck and bullshit yet someone like Zest has an insane PvP winrate vs other Koreans despite PvP's reputation. Oh lol someone is arguing that protoss isn't a bag of bullshit haha If you play safe in to cheese it makes it harder to defend earlier timings If you play safe vs early timings you expose yourself to later timings Playing safe vs later timings involve skipping safety measures to early timings/cheese to get more econ before they hit. Balancing those is what zvp is about. There is no one safe build. thats the struggle. The constand "ladder - mindgame" btw why the hell didn't he recall out before everything died? Well when you watch sOs he's not playing 'ladder mindgames'. What is your point anyway? I truly want to know what you are arguing for. Against the notion that sOs is some guy who just flips coins. Or that flipping coins is an issue in SC2 at all... It's mainly just a way for people to rationlize their ladder losses and minimize their own blame. Rollora admits and respects sOs skill so nothing to argue about there. Don't you agree that protoss has more ways to get easy wins at high levels than zerg or terran tho? Thx! yeah, I am deeply impressed by the amount of builds he knows and he always finds a solution/way to get out of a troublesome situation, pressure the oponent, comebacks. He impressed me at his reverse all kill, he impressed me today. But still I hate these sort of games, won by cheese or cheesy play. And while I would never call Protoss imba, their huge variety of BS/cheese to choose from makes this race so hard to predict and therefore having a slight edge in some way - it is not predictable. And the book of protoss bullshit shows, this is simply too much, no other race has so many cheeses to choose from. The race would also do fine with half these cheese-builds I don't think so. Protoss is currently balanced around that. We will have to wait and see whether it will stay that way in LotV. My guess is that it will. It's played around it not balanced around it We have no way of knowing how protoss will play out if terran has more freedom in BO's early game. Tho it probably won't change the fact that early pvt in hots is the worst designed MU ever
for which side ?
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On September 26 2015 05:04 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:03 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 05:01 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:59 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:57 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:51 Rollora wrote:
What was the reason there weren't more terrans by the way? KT hates TY so much that they barely send him out for proleague and didn't send him here to maybe get a Blizzcon spot. No other Terrans could make Blizzcon. ForGG also cancelled. Keen did win Gfinity though. Couldn't they just send out Flash (or other Terrans of other teams) just for some wins and entertainment. Flash seems pretty good recently. The games vs Innovation in Code S were all very close, trashed maru and almost all-killed Jin Air,... The only Kespa teams that like to let their players leave Korea are Samsung and Jin Air. Everyone else is only allowed to leave if they win a IEM qual. SKT get's no respect rofl Dark is that this dram hack soO was at it last year KT were truly the most evil kespa team. Hence why I hate them What about Samsung killing JangBi's career and CJ Entus forcing effOrt and Hydra to flee from Korean progaming scene?
damn true !
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On September 26 2015 05:04 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:02 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 05:00 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 04:42 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:36 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:34 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:32 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:27 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:22 HellHound wrote:
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Oh lol someone is arguing that protoss isn't a bag of bullshit haha
If you play safe in to cheese it makes it harder to defend earlier timings
If you play safe vs early timings you expose yourself to later timings
Playing safe vs later timings involve skipping safety measures to early timings/cheese to get more econ before they hit.
Balancing those is what zvp is about.
There is no one safe build. thats the struggle. The constand "ladder - mindgame" btw why the hell didn't he recall out before everything died? Well when you watch sOs he's not playing 'ladder mindgames'. What is your point anyway? I truly want to know what you are arguing for. Against the notion that sOs is some guy who just flips coins. Or that flipping coins is an issue in SC2 at all... It's mainly just a way for people to rationlize their ladder losses and minimize their own blame. Rollora admits and respects sOs skill so nothing to argue about there. Don't you agree that protoss has more ways to get easy wins at high levels than zerg or terran tho? Thx! yeah, I am deeply impressed by the amount of builds he knows and he always finds a solution/way to get out of a troublesome situation, pressure the oponent, comebacks. He impressed me at his reverse all kill, he impressed me today. But still I hate these sort of games, won by cheese or cheesy play. And while I would never call Protoss imba, their huge variety of BS/cheese to choose from makes this race so hard to predict and therefore having a slight edge in some way - it is not predictable. And the book of protoss bullshit shows, this is simply too much, no other race has so many cheeses to choose from. The race would also do fine with half these cheese-builds I don't think so. Protoss is currently balanced around that. We will have to wait and see whether it will stay that way in LotV. My guess is that it will. It's played around it not balanced around it We have no way of knowing how protoss will play out if terran has more freedom in BO's early game. Tho it probably won't change the fact that early pvt in hots is the worst designed MU ever for which side ?
All of them :D Terran more so tho
It's basicly zvz early game without the zerg.
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On September 26 2015 05:04 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:03 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:58 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 fezvez wrote:On September 26 2015 04:44 Rollora wrote:
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that is what i was pointing too with that post. Something is wrong with me No, you fit right in the SC2 community. You should go to Reddit too You should get a special corruptor Icon. Somehow I can't stop grinning at that comment. Either it was fun. Or is it because I am drunk? Why not both? HAAHHAHAHAAA I cured your whining so send me some of your booze. I was always happy to pay the doctors bill after being cured. What do you accept? Jura (18 yo) Arran Ardbeg or some Austrian and German beer? 10L of your best German beer please. Will do, doc. And if you ever come close to ma hood (Vienna right now), be sure I will show you some nice places Btw that last statement is serious and also counts for Zealously, since he was the ONE other guy trying to understand my agony I wonder how much a ticket costs to Vienna
Just hang on to some refugees, they all come through vienna to move on to Germany
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 26 2015 05:02 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:01 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:59 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:57 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:51 Rollora wrote:
What was the reason there weren't more terrans by the way? KT hates TY so much that they barely send him out for proleague and didn't send him here to maybe get a Blizzcon spot. No other Terrans could make Blizzcon. ForGG also cancelled. Keen did win Gfinity though. Couldn't they just send out Flash (or other Terrans of other teams) just for some wins and entertainment. Flash seems pretty good recently. The games vs Innovation in Code S were all very close, trashed maru and almost all-killed Jin Air,... The only Kespa teams that like to let their players leave Korea are Samsung and Jin Air. Everyone else is only allowed to leave if they win a IEM qual. SKT get's no respect rofl Dark is that this dram hack soO was at it last year KT were truly the most evil kespa team. can we blame the coach ?
These are managerial decisions
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On September 26 2015 05:06 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:04 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 05:03 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:58 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:50 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:45 fezvez wrote:
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No, you fit right in the SC2 community. You should go to Reddit too You should get a special corruptor Icon. Somehow I can't stop grinning at that comment. Either it was fun. Or is it because I am drunk? Why not both? HAAHHAHAHAAA I cured your whining so send me some of your booze. I was always happy to pay the doctors bill after being cured. What do you accept? Jura (18 yo) Arran Ardbeg or some Austrian and German beer? 10L of your best German beer please. Will do, doc. And if you ever come close to ma hood (Vienna right now), be sure I will show you some nice places Btw that last statement is serious and also counts for Zealously, since he was the ONE other guy trying to understand my agony I wonder how much a ticket costs to Vienna Just hang on to some refugees, they all come through vienna to move on to Germany Noted.
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It's so weird that Hyun all of a sudden becomes relevant again
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On September 26 2015 05:04 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:03 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 05:01 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:59 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:57 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:51 Rollora wrote:
What was the reason there weren't more terrans by the way? KT hates TY so much that they barely send him out for proleague and didn't send him here to maybe get a Blizzcon spot. No other Terrans could make Blizzcon. ForGG also cancelled. Keen did win Gfinity though. Couldn't they just send out Flash (or other Terrans of other teams) just for some wins and entertainment. Flash seems pretty good recently. The games vs Innovation in Code S were all very close, trashed maru and almost all-killed Jin Air,... The only Kespa teams that like to let their players leave Korea are Samsung and Jin Air. Everyone else is only allowed to leave if they win a IEM qual. SKT get's no respect rofl Dark is that this dram hack soO was at it last year KT were truly the most evil kespa team. Hence why I hate them What about Samsung killing JangBi's career and CJ Entus forcing effOrt and Hydra to flee from Korean progaming scene?
Those are just greedy money shit I can understand that.
KT management are just dicks for the sake of being dicks.
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On September 26 2015 05:04 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:59 Verafin wrote:
Ok, guys and girls - who is gonna to win? Hyun or Solar? Ughhh this is hard, I like all of HyuN, Solar and Fantasy, I guess I'll want Solar to win so HyuN and Fantasy can duel it out for their BlizzCon spot.
Well, I think it's gonna to be:
Game 1 - Solar
Game 2 - Hyun
Game 3 - Hyun
Game 4 - Solar
Game 5 - Solar
Solar is better right now IMO, but Hyun have hell lot of motivation. So yeah - so close game.
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On September 26 2015 05:06 Heartland wrote:
It's so weird that Hyun all of a sudden becomes relevant again
When the heat is on for WCS points he turns it on in foreign tournaments.
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Australia18228 Posts
On September 26 2015 05:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:02 Makro wrote:On September 26 2015 05:01 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:59 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:57 stuchiu wrote:On September 26 2015 04:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 ZAiNs wrote:On September 26 2015 04:51 Rollora wrote:
What was the reason there weren't more terrans by the way? KT hates TY so much that they barely send him out for proleague and didn't send him here to maybe get a Blizzcon spot. No other Terrans could make Blizzcon. ForGG also cancelled. Keen did win Gfinity though. Couldn't they just send out Flash (or other Terrans of other teams) just for some wins and entertainment. Flash seems pretty good recently. The games vs Innovation in Code S were all very close, trashed maru and almost all-killed Jin Air,... The only Kespa teams that like to let their players leave Korea are Samsung and Jin Air. Everyone else is only allowed to leave if they win a IEM qual. SKT get's no respect rofl Dark is that this dram hack soO was at it last year KT were truly the most evil kespa team. can we blame the coach ? These are managerial decisions
So blame Flash, got it.
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