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[WCS] Playoffs Day 2 - Season 3 2015 - Page 93

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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
-Zealously
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1841
Gosh this is driving me insane
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1842
Cinematic Reveal!
When cats speak, mice listen.
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1843
On September 14 2015 01:46 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 egernya wrote:
How the hell was it a draw? Forgg just needed to build some depots and build cloaked banshees with 0 percent of probability to lose.


ForGG had a single SCV and not enough supply for a banshee. There is no way he'd be able to use that single scv to build a CC AND enough supply depots for a banshee before Mana just kills him


??? he had 1000 minerals so he can build a CC, 2 depots and a cloaked banshee. (didnt see his gas though)

While in theory he had a chance, that would take ages, Mana had a waaayyyy larger army + hallucinations, and that would have never been allowed to happen. ForGG had lost too much, mana could safely split his army.

So then we would with a single SCV be 10 minutes further before it would still have been a drawn. Of course ForGG could have decided to go for this, it was his choice too to take a draw. But he also considered that very unlikely apparantly, and I guess ESL also took into account that it would end up in a boring game.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1844
On September 14 2015 01:47 Frankenberry wrote:
Before we get carried away

A) ForGG agreed to the draw

B) Who says the referees from ESL are polish? (@ all the bias posts).

With that being said I agree the referee should have let the game go on for a few more mins. Mistakes could be made and ForGG still had a chance to win. A very slim chance but still a chance.

Jin was a former KeSPA referee, he does not speak polish.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1845
Didn't forgg still have a small bio force? I thought he had like 40 supply. Either way, the admins have no right to step in that quickly. As soon as you pause the game and suggest a draw, you reveal a ton of information to the players. There was still potential for misplays there and the decision seemed to be made as soon as they decided Mana couldn't win.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10116 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1846
mana freestyling
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1847
ForGG lose his reaper for 2 probes. I think he is going to win this one.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1848
1k minerals means jack shit when you have 1 scv and are supply blocked to hell. Even if you finish the cc, you wouldn't have time to build enough supply depots to have enough supply to get a banshee out. plus mana had hallu, he could scout the map so fast to detect cc that was building.
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1849
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1850
On September 14 2015 01:48 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:46 hitpoint wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:45 -YoricK- wrote:
ForGG didn't have enough minerals to go for supply depots, cloak, and a banshee no? He would have had to build a CC and mine more so it would have taken forever for him to even have a chance.


But that chance existed. The refs had no business stopping the game prematurely.

actually it is their business to make that decision lol

i don't care if forgg had a chance because of race design, drawish games should be draws

we should just call every mirror match up a draw because there's no way 1 player just decides to lose with the same tools
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1851
On September 14 2015 01:48 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:47 shid0x wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:45 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 egernya wrote:
How the hell was it a draw? Forgg just needed to build some depots and build cloaked banshees with 0 percent of probability to lose.


ForGG had a single SCV and not enough supply for a depot. There is no way he'd be able to use that single scv to build a CC AND enough supply depots for a banshee before Mana just kills him

Who cares ? he suicides everything and like that he can produce banshees


ForGG was revealed. While he kills everything he dies because Mana walks over and kills him

There are sweet spots on that map

ForGG was robbed


He agreed who cares.


People who like fair competition and good games and like seeing people play under high pressure situations.

Yep. Plus a draw should be required by one of the players instead of a staff member imo.
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1852
+ Show Spoiler +


??????????
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1853
On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote:
Why did forgg agree to this.....


He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot


But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke?


It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then.


A CC is only 100 seconds, then you can float it wherever you want and it can't be killed.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
September 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1854
On September 14 2015 01:49 Beakyboo wrote:
Either way, the admins have no right to step in that quickly. As soon as you pause the game and suggest a draw, you reveal a ton of information to the players. There was still potential for misplays there and the decision seemed to be made as soon as they decided Mana couldn't win.

just this.

OK let's try to enjoy the series from that huge mistake on.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1855
one single person paused that game without using his brain for a second

What a shame.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1856
Joke referee
rip passion
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1857
Draw was fine. It's up to the players in the end anyway, the refs can't force a draw (I assume?) they can offer it, if you guys are so sure forgg could have won, why aren't you bashing HIM for AGREEING to the draw? I trust his judgement (probably that Mana can find and kill his stuff before he gets the banshee, and then they sit there while Mana tries and fails to kill the floating buildings)
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1858
On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote:
Why did forgg agree to this.....


He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot


But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke?


It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then.


he had the tech... a factory was floating. so you just need to build a starport, a techlab and get cloak. you dont need 10min for that.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1859
On September 14 2015 01:49 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:48 brickrd wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:46 hitpoint wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:45 -YoricK- wrote:
ForGG didn't have enough minerals to go for supply depots, cloak, and a banshee no? He would have had to build a CC and mine more so it would have taken forever for him to even have a chance.


But that chance existed. The refs had no business stopping the game prematurely.

actually it is their business to make that decision lol

i don't care if forgg had a chance because of race design, drawish games should be draws

we should just call every mirror match up a draw because there's no way 1 player just decides to lose with the same tools

exactly the same thing, clearly, your well manicured logic has bowled me over
TL+ Member
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1860
On September 14 2015 01:47 Frankenberry wrote:
Before we get carried away

A) ForGG agreed to the draw

B) Who says the referees from ESL are polish? (@ all the bias posts).

With that being said I agree the referee should have let the game go on for a few more mins. Mistakes could be made and ForGG still had a chance to win. A very slim chance but still a chance.

A) Yes, we know this

B) Well, they are foreigners.
why even
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