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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4MQahUa.jpg) Sunday, Sep 13 1:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Season_3/Premier TL Preview:
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QL7oPAi.png) Semifinals![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/5265.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/5982.jpg)  Zanster vs  Lilbow ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/207.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1214.jpg)  ForGG vs MaNaGrand Finals+ Show Spoiler +
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BXOaKMj.png) + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Semifinals] ++ Show Spoiler [Zanster vs Lilbow] +Poll: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 1?★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5) 29% ★★★- Good game (5) 29% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 24% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 12% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 6% 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 2?★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9) 41% ★★★- Good game (9) 41% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 9% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 5% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (11) 39% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5) 18% ★★★- Good game (5) 18% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4) 14% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 11% 28 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 4?★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8) 32% ★★★- Good game (7) 28% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 16% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 12% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3) 12% 25 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 4? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 5?★- Do not see this game no matter what (13) 31% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (13) 31% ★★★- Good game (12) 29% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 5% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2) 5% 42 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zanster vs Lilbow Game 5? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 1?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (15) 42% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (11) 31% ★★★- Good game (7) 19% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 6% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 3% 36 total votes Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 2?★★★- Good game (21) 64% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (6) 18% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3) 9% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 6% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 3% 33 total votes Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 3?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (32) 57% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (17) 30% ★★★- Good game (3) 5% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 4% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 4% 56 total votes Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 4?★- Do not see this game no matter what (24) 59% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (8) 20% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5) 12% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 5% ★★★- Good game (2) 5% 41 total votes Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 4? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 4 Part 2?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (10) 63% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (3) 19% ★★★- Good game (2) 13% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 4 Part 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 5★★★★★- One of the best games this season (8) 50% ★★★- Good game (3) 19% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 19% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 13% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs MaNa Game 5 (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 1?★★★- Good game (10) 53% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (3) 16% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 16% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 11% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 5% 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 2?★★★★- Highly recommended game (19) 48% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (17) 43% ★★★- Good game (2) 5% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 3% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 3% 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 3?★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (13) 50% ★★★- Good game (8) 31% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 15% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 4% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 26 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 4?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (72) 79% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (13) 14% ★★★- Good game (3) 3% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 2% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 1% 91 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 4? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 5?★★★- Good game (12) 44% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10) 37% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (4) 15% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 4% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 5? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 6?★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (14) 70% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (3) 15% ★★★- Good game (2) 10% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 5% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 6? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 7?★★★- Good game (11) 61% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5) 28% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 11% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% 18 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 7? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Lilbow and ForGG both go up to 99.99% if they win WCS, but they aren't eliminated if they get 2nd or even 4th place. Mana and Zanster, on the other hand, require a WCS win just to have a small chance at making Blizzcon.
If Zanster wins WCS, then he still needs to win Dreamhack Stockholm to get up to 58.74% Blizzcon Chances, otherwise Zanster will not be making Blizzcon.
Mana needs to win WCS and get at least 4th in Dreamhack to have any chance. When combined with the WCS win, a 4th in Dreamhack puts him at 70.56%, 2nd at 88.04%, and 1st at 99.95%.
Lilbow can make it with a 4th in WCS and a 4th at Dreamhack, which would put him at 50.28%. A 2nd in WCS with no points from Dreamhack puts him at 16.24%. A 2nd in WCS and a 16th in Dreamhack puts him at 51.56%. A 2nd in WCS and a 4th in Dreamhack puts him at 95.88%.
If ForGG loses here in the semifinals, then he needs at least a 4th in Dreamhack to have any chance, putting him at 6.8%, but a 2nd place at Dreamhack instead puts him much higher at 64.57%. If ForGG gets 2nd in WCS then he needs to win at least some points from Dreamhack, 16th place puts him at 27.9%. 2nd in WCS and 8th in Dreamhack puts him at 53.47%. 2nd in WCS and 4th in Dreamhack puts him at 80.97%.
You can get more details from looking at the branches page here http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=branches
Click on the branch you want to look at, and then click on a player to see what they need to do given the assumptions of the branch.
+ Show Spoiler [Likely First Round Blizzcon] +
Here are the most likely first round matches of Blizzard/Global Finals for ForGG and Lilbow. (Zanster and Mana were too low to be tracked for this)
ForGG
ForGG vs PartinG has a 12.45% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
ForGG vs Maru has a 9.32% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
ForGG vs Life has a 8.3% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
ForGG vs ByuL has a 1.99% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
ForGG vs Classic has a 0.91% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
Lilbow
Lilbow vs Life has a 14.04% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
Lilbow vs PartinG has a 10.36% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
Lilbow vs Maru has a 9.7% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
Lilbow vs herO has a 5.9% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
Lilbow vs ByuL has a 2.85% chance for the first round of Blizzcon.
+ Show Spoiler [If Lilbow Wins] +Biggest Winners  Lilbow went up by 54.98%, going from 45.01% to 99.99%Biggest Losers  ForGG went down by 32.85%, going from 34.49% to 1.64%  Dark went down by 7.87%, going from 10.96% to 3.09% FanTaSy went down by 6.37%, going from 78.24% to 71.86% GuMiho went down by 2.1%, going from 12.72% to 10.62% sOs went down by 1.96%, going from 94.43% to 92.47% HyuN went down by 1.82%, going from 12.6% to 10.78% MaNa went down by 1.66%, going from 1.66% to 0%+ Show Spoiler [More Losers] + TY went down by 0.14%, going from 0.88% to 0.74% Dear went down by 0.1%, going from 8.61% to 8.51% Stats went down by 0.08%, going from 0.41% to 0.33% Zanster went down by 0.02%, going from 0.02% to 0%
+ Show Spoiler [If ForGG Wins] +Biggest Winners ForGG went up by 65.51%, going from 34.49% to 99.99%Biggest Losers Lilbow went down by 42.82%, going from 45.01% to 2.19% Dark went down by 7.89%, going from 10.96% to 3.07% FanTaSy went down by 6.75%, going from 78.24% to 71.49% GuMiho went down by 2.09%, going from 12.72% to 10.63% sOs went down by 2.06%, going from 94.43% to 92.37% HyuN went down by 1.86%, going from 12.6% to 10.74% MaNa went down by 1.66%, going from 1.66% to 0%+ Show Spoiler [More Losers] + TY went down by 0.15%, going from 0.88% to 0.73% Dear went down by 0.12%, going from 8.61% to 8.49% Stats went down by 0.09%, going from 0.41% to 0.33% Zanster went down by 0.02%, going from 0.02% to 0% Rogue went down by 0.01%, going from 99.98% to 99.97%
+ Show Spoiler [If Mana Wins] +Biggest Winners FanTaSy went up by 15.84%, going from 78.24% to 94.07% Dark went up by 7.77%, going from 10.96% to 18.73% MaNa went up by 7.6%, going from 1.66% to 9.26% sOs went up by 5.01%, going from 94.43% to 99.44% HyuN went up by 4.46%, going from 12.6% to 17.06% GuMiho went up by 3.89%, going from 12.72% to 16.61% TY went up by 0.29%, going from 0.88% to 1.17%+ Show Spoiler [More Winners] + Dear went up by 0.23%, going from 8.61% to 8.84% Stats went up by 0.17%, going from 0.41% to 0.58% Rogue went up by 0.02%, going from 99.98% to 99.99% went down by 33.47%, going from 34.49% to 1.02% Lilbow went down by 11.8%, going from 45.01% to 33.22% Zanster went down by 0.02%, going from 0.02% to 0%
+ Show Spoiler [If Zanster Wins] +Biggest Winners Dark went up by 40.43%, going from 10.96% to 51.39% FanTaSy went up by 17.63%, going from 78.24% to 95.87% GuMiho went up by 7.66%, going from 12.72% to 20.38% sOs went up by 5.14%, going from 94.43% to 99.57% HyuN went up by 4.91%, going from 12.6% to 17.51% TY went up by 0.48%, going from 0.88% to 1.36% Dear went up by 0.36%, going from 8.61% to 8.97%+ Show Spoiler [More Winners] + Stats went up by 0.29%, going from 0.41% to 0.71% Zanster went up by 0.13%, going from 0.02% to 0.14% Rogue went up by 0.02%, going from 99.98% to 99.99% went down by 43.57%, going from 45.01% to 1.45% ForGG went down by 31.84%, going from 34.49% to 2.65% MaNa went down by 1.66%, going from 1.66% to 0%
WCS Predictor 2015
WCS Premier Season 3 Playoffs Day 2 Zanster vs Lilbow in in WCS Premier Season 3 semifinals. Lilbow must win this match! Zanster is at 0.01% Blizzcon Chances, with a 27.53% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.05%, or 0% if they lose. Lilbow is at 45.01% Blizzcon Chances, with a 72.47% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 61.64%, or 1.23% if they lose. ForGG vs MaNa in in WCS Premier Season 3 semifinals. ForGG and MaNa must win this match! ForGG is at 34.49% Blizzcon Chances, with a 60.66% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 56.27%, or 0.92% if they lose. MaNa is at 1.66% Blizzcon Chances, with a 39.34% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 4.21%, or 0% if they lose. + Show Spoiler [WCS Winning Chances] +ForGG must win this tournament! Lilbow has a 38.18% chance to win ----going from 45.01% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 11.04% if they don't. ForGG has a 33.41% chance to win ----going from 34.49% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 1.63% if they don't. MaNa has a 17.9% chance to win ----going from 1.66% to 9.26% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Zanster has a 10.52% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.14% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't.
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Thanks Aeromi 
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Everyone get on your knees and praise AEROMI
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Aeromi the savior of e-sports and WCS
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Watch Zanster absolutely dummy everyone today.
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come on let's not become worse than the Finns
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It's incredible that all top4 players still have a shot at making blizzcon.
That's what makes this top4 awesome imo!
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Aeromi is a god! 
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THEY HAVE TO RESPECT THE SCHEDULE OR I CLOSE THIS THREAD
+ Show Spoiler +like during soO vs INno final kek
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my heart says Zanster, but my head is experiencing flashbacks of double robo collossus all-in
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What is this venue normally used for? They cant have really built all this from scratch?
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On September 13 2015 22:09 Ej_ wrote:
my heart says Zanster, but my head is experiencing flashbacks of double robo collossus all-in
double robo rangeless colo all-in is even more insulting
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It still makes me kind of sad that it's been an entire season since toronto, it doesn't seem like that long ago. Good times
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