EPT[WCS] Playoffs Day 2 - Season 3 2015 - Page 244
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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol. 14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't. -Zealously | ||
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
I would have liked Mana to win (home town hero, TL, among the nicest non-Finn players I've met)... but well played and congrats to Lilbaguette!! :D ___________________________________________ I've been saying for a long time that we should have "foreign" tournaments. Maybe the wcs format was better than a weekend tournament, but either way it was nice to see the results (viewer count, LR post count, twitter feed etc)! I do think we've seen growth of the foreign players (vs "expats" - foreign Koreans). A year ago the four Koreans would have at least made up 3/4 of the semi-finalists. I hope we continue to see this sort of player representation in foreign tournaments. On September 14 2015 13:02 frazzle wrote: I missed the draw game. Mana probably finds the CC, but why not let it play out? Seemed uncomfortably weird to watch. many do think the match was paused early (I did at first)... however BOTH players agreed to a draw. Mana didn't have a realistic chance to win (dead zones for floating buildings) and forGG had a very small chance to win (use his one scv to build a hidden supply depot (or cc), trade his army, get cloak and banshee (all without mana finding the buildings that needed to land for this to happen). Most likely it would have ended in a draw and both players seemed to feel that way too. Even if forGG would have won from that situation, given how he had been playing (as then continued from the re-game) he wasn't going to take the series... | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24211 Posts
On September 14 2015 09:43 Damnitmynameistaken wrote: I just wonder why people can't just watch the games to see how outplayed the other players were instead of just complaining about the balance of the game. I cringed at how many bad decisions Hydra and ForGG made and they pretty much deserved that lost even though I was cheering for them. same. They just did not deserve better (ForGG deserved a game 5 though) | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24211 Posts
On September 14 2015 13:02 frazzle wrote: I missed the draw game. Mana probably finds the CC, but why not let it play out? Seemed uncomfortably weird to watch. yeah that one was a bit of a rob. ForGG couldn't lose, and would have outright won had he got a banshee out. He probably didn't know MaNa had no detection so I guess that's why he agreed to a draw, but the pause was far too early and gave up far too much (maybe false) information. | ||
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Hughgrant
32 Posts
Code S is highly overrated , obviously the best players are there but i'm pretty sure that the top 4 eu would not be ridiculous (even if there is obviously a significant gap with the top world like inno maru etc) This is like tennis , big four and the world. | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
On September 14 2015 16:20 Hughgrant wrote: I remember when all the koreans went back home to play GSL they all got qualified to Code S (MC , MMA , Yoda etc) and made good run there althought they were supposed to suck hard because the european level was supposed awful. Code S is highly overrated , obviously the best players are there but i'm pretty sure that the top 4 eu would not be ridiculous (even if there is obviously a significant gap with the top world like inno maru etc) This is like tennis , big four and the world. And where are they now? | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On September 14 2015 16:20 Hughgrant wrote: I remember when all the koreans went back home to play GSL they all got qualified to Code S (MC , MMA , Yoda etc) and made good run there althought they were supposed to suck hard because the european level was supposed awful. Code S is highly overrated , obviously the best players are there but i'm pretty sure that the top 4 eu would not be ridiculous (even if there is obviously a significant gap with the top world like inno maru etc) This is like tennis , big four and the world. Sadly the top 4 wouldnt even be top50 in korea. Sc2 seems to be quite figured out, so the brutal amount of training will guarantee korea's dominance. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On September 14 2015 07:55 [PkF] Wire wrote: to be fair he should be happy if the situation stays like this, because the ones who could take over Life's place would be impossible opponents (Maru, Classic, Byul). Life is impossible, but a bit less I'd say  And why is that? I'll admit that Maru, Innovation and Byul are really tough opponents. But in PvP everything can happen, it's the matchup that got Naniwa into the Ro8 twice (not taking anything away from him!) plus Lilbow already beat Rain 2-0 in the past. And since Life joined KT he is really far from beeing an impossible opponent, his play has been mediocre at best for quite some time now (barely made it out of Code A). By the way, I'm really surprised by the amount of people who want to trashtalk Lilbow by any means only because he's not a korean/their favorite player. This is the first time in years that a foreigner has won a major event convincingly! If Jaedong would have one this tournament all the haters would probably cry tears of joy just because he's a former legend, not matter if he sucks nowadays... but god forbid there is a new talent, then you need to tell the people who are happy for Lilbow at least three times that he'll stand no chance @ Blizzcon. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On September 14 2015 17:48 JoeCool wrote: And why is that? I'll admit that Maru, Innovation and Byul are really tough opponents. But in PvP everything can happen, it's the matchup that got Naniwa into the Ro8 twice (not taking anything away from him!) plus Lilbow already beat Rain 2-0 in the past. And since Life joined KT he is really far from beeing an impossible opponent, his play has been mediocre at best for quite some time now (barely made it out of Code A). Besides, I'm really surprised by the amount of people who want to trashtalk Lilbow by any means only because he's not a korean/their favorite player. This is the first time in years that a foreigner has won a major event convincingly! If Jaedong would have one this tournament all the haters would probably cry tears of joy just because he's a former legend, not matter if he sucks nowadays... but god forbid there is a new talent, then you need to tell the people who are happy for Lilbow at least three times that he'll stand no chance @ Blizzcon. Let us wait till Blizzcon and seeing him getting 3-0 by whoever plays him whether life / maru or anyone. Hopefully RO8 will be pure again. | ||
Poopi
France12901 Posts
There is no difference between korean and foreigner protoss nowadays because of the skill ceiling so, even though it's very sad for Starcraft as a competitive "hard" game, he can beat anyone at Blizzcon with ease. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On September 14 2015 18:05 Poopi wrote: Why would he be 3-0ed? There is no difference between korean and foreigner protoss nowadays because of the skill ceiling so, even though it's very sad for Starcraft as a competitive "hard" game, he can beat anyone at Blizzcon with ease. So... he can beat Maru with ease for example? Or... he can beat Byul with ease for example? Or... he can beat... you know... herO with ease maybe? My problem in short is that because of his race (Can't believe I went so low talking about this...) He is able to compete in a tournaments with people that have a full time job called "progamer" and paid a fixed salary for it. Live in a team house and practice for over 10 hours a day and they have been doing it for years. Now someone came out of nowhere after winning WCS after removing all the good koreans from it and say "I can compete evenly with them". That is completely illogical. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15979 Posts
On September 14 2015 18:15 WrathSCII wrote: So... he can beat Maru with ease for example? Or... he can beat Byul with ease for example? Or... he can beat... you know... herO with ease maybe? My problem in short is that because of his race (Can't believe I went so low talking about this...) He is able to compete in a tournaments with people that have a full time job called "progamer" and paid a fixed salary for it. Live in a team house and practice for over 10 hours a day and they have been doing it for years. Now someone came out of nowhere after winning WCS after removing all the good koreans from it and say "I can compete evenly with them". That is completely illogical. yeah, yeah his race is the only reason he won this tournament. That's why we had so many foreign tournament champions in the last few years, right? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15979 Posts
On September 14 2015 18:05 Poopi wrote: Why would he be 3-0ed? There is no difference between korean and foreigner protoss nowadays because of the skill ceiling so, even though it's very sad for Starcraft as a competitive "hard" game, he can beat anyone at Blizzcon with ease. So there is no difference between lilbow and zest? Or classic? herO? | ||
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
On another note, it is confirmed that Millenium is looking for a korean gaming house for Lilbow to stay there untill blizzcon. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On September 14 2015 19:03 Charoisaur wrote: yeah, yeah his race is the only reason he won this tournament. That's why we had so many foreign tournament champions in the last few years, right? How about continuing reading what I wrote? " winning WCS after removing all the good koreans from it" | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On September 14 2015 20:01 Ppjack wrote: How can you judge the achievements of Lilbow against Koreans if you don't give him the chance to play them on a regular basis ? Wait for Blizzcon and give him a chance. Btw: He beat Rain 2-0 at last Homestory Cup. GSL champ. So there is a room for him at blizzcon. On another note, it is confirmed that Millenium is looking for a korean gaming house for Lilbow to stay there untill blizzcon. With all due respect, so far him beating Rain is an anomaly. He lost to HyuN & Jaedong at the same tournament, which should theoretically be an easier matchup for him than Rain. There will be always some random variance, so this one result doesn't mean he could beat these strong Koreans at their peak. On the other hand, with back-to-back finals he's proven he's the best foreigner we've got right now in my eyes. At this point, I had more confidence in Naniwa in 2013, and Snute in 2014 (if he had made it), because they both had experience going toe to toe with strong Koreans. If Life gets close to his god-mode again for Blizzcon, it will take seriously inspired play to stop him. Lilbow is on top of his game and seems motivated to become the best, so I'm really happy he gets the chance to at least prove himself. Looking forward to seeing him at Blizzcon! | ||
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Hoofit
United Kingdom128 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On September 14 2015 18:05 Poopi wrote: Why would he be 3-0ed? There is no difference between korean and foreigner protoss nowadays because of the skill ceiling so, even though it's very sad for Starcraft as a competitive "hard" game, he can beat anyone at Blizzcon with ease. There is no difference between Lilbow and Zest? MaNa and herO? Gungfubanda and PartinG? Damn, I've seen many troll complaints about Protoss, but this one has got to be one of the very best. On September 14 2015 21:31 Liquid`Ret wrote: I'm hoping lilbow doesn't read this thread. Awesome performance by him! He's a bit of an outsider for blizzcon but I think he can beat anybody I know right Korean beats foreigner : "omg foreigners so bad always trash, Koreans genetically superior" Foreigner beats Korean : "wow that foreigner sucks so hard lol he doesn't deserve anything, just luck and bad Koreans opponents" | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On September 14 2015 18:15 WrathSCII wrote: So... he can beat Maru with ease for example? Or... he can beat Byul with ease for example? Or... he can beat... you know... herO with ease maybe? My problem in short is that because of his race (Can't believe I went so low talking about this...) He is able to compete in a tournaments with people that have a full time job called "progamer" and paid a fixed salary for it. Live in a team house and practice for over 10 hours a day and they have been doing it for years. Now someone came out of nowhere after winning WCS after removing all the good koreans from it and say "I can compete evenly with them". That is completely illogical. Fun fact : Lilbow is a progamer too. | ||
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