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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol. 14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't. -Zealously |
On September 14 2015 01:51 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:50 Superbanana wrote: No, i agree the pause was too fast. But i don't think its a huge deal, if forGG agreed on draw its fine, it was the right call too. How is it the right call when he couldn't lose the game because of floating buildings, but he had a chance to win it ? Well, people say gg and leave the game before all buildings blow up, it was a drawn position. It was up to him to decide the timing tho.
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On September 14 2015 01:52 vult wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:49 KingAlphard wrote:On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote: Why did forgg agree to this..... He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke? It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then. A CC is only 100 seconds, then you can float it wherever you want and it can't be killed. .. then it's still a draw.
No cause he is not revealed, he can get depots and start a banshee. Or even suicide most of his army to get the banshee out. Even if that failed mana couldnt win, so why not try?
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On September 14 2015 01:49 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:48 brickrd wrote:On September 14 2015 01:46 hitpoint wrote:On September 14 2015 01:45 -YoricK- wrote: ForGG didn't have enough minerals to go for supply depots, cloak, and a banshee no? He would have had to build a CC and mine more so it would have taken forever for him to even have a chance. But that chance existed. The refs had no business stopping the game prematurely. actually it is their business to make that decision lol i don't care if forgg had a chance because of race design, drawish games should be draws we should just call every mirror match up a draw because there's no way 1 player just decides to lose with the same tools Nice! Put it in the rulebook!
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On September 14 2015 01:52 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote: Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat. I'm glad they drawed, no matter how questionable the pause timing, instead of us having to sit through that ...
Well he only had to kill a building or two. Also Mana would just surrender when he saw it happening.
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On September 14 2015 01:52 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote: Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat. I'm glad they drawed, no matter how questionable the pause timing, instead of us having to sit through that ... it could have been fun... but I'm fine with it moving on (as forGG agreed to the draw already)
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On September 14 2015 01:50 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:47 Frankenberry wrote: Before we get carried away
A) ForGG agreed to the draw
B) Who says the referees from ESL are polish? (@ all the bias posts).
With that being said I agree the referee should have let the game go on for a few more mins. Mistakes could be made and ForGG still had a chance to win. A very slim chance but still a chance. A) Yes, we know this B) Well, they are foreigners.
FYI Jin (the referee) is korean, former Kespa
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On September 14 2015 01:52 DinosaurPoop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:51 egernya wrote: This is how forgg could win: start banshee cloak upgrade(200/200) start building a cc(400), stop and make a deopt(100), kill all the mmm until the supply goes to under 5, make a banshee(150/100). He definitely had enough resources. the thing is they paused pretty damn early, maybe forgg thought mana had an observer so he didn't even think about it
But it worth a try. For the situation that you cannot lose.
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On September 14 2015 01:52 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 01:50 jubil wrote: Draw was fine. It's up to the players in the end anyway, the refs can't force a draw (I assume?) they can offer it, if you guys are so sure forgg could have won, why aren't you bashing HIM for AGREEING to the draw? I trust his judgement (probably that Mana can find and kill his stuff before he gets the banshee, and then they sit there while Mana tries and fails to kill the floating buildings) The refs should have waited 10 minutes The ref wanted to insert himself into the game The ref was way too quick. So in the future a ref can pause the game when he sees a PvT game where the Protoss is researching blink and the Terran is making only marines and no stim in sight, and then ask the players if they want to draw
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On September 14 2015 01:53 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:52 Thax wrote:On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote: Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat. I'm glad they drawed, no matter how questionable the pause timing, instead of us having to sit through that ... it could have been fun... but I'm fine with it moving on (as forGG agreed to the draw already) fans love inventing things to be outraged about because it makes them feel like their opinions are important
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On September 14 2015 01:52 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:51 KingAlphard wrote:On September 14 2015 01:50 Superbanana wrote: No, i agree the pause was too fast. But i don't think its a huge deal, if forGG agreed on draw its fine, it was the right call too. How is it the right call when he couldn't lose the game because of floating buildings, but he had a chance to win it ? Well, people say gg and leave the game before all buildings blow up, it was a resignation position. It was up to him to decide the timing tho.
The pause gives a lot of information about the state of the game, information that Mana may have guessed but did not know for sure.
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The pause was early, and I would have preferred to see it play out, but since both players agreed I don't think it illegitimates the series.
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On September 14 2015 01:51 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:49 Noonius wrote: 1k minerals means jack shit when you have 1 scv and are supply blocked to hell. Even if you finish the cc, you wouldn't have time to build enough supply depots to have enough supply to get a banshee out. plus mana had hallu, he could scout the map so fast to detect cc that was building. So let them play it out. By drawing they reduce ForGG's chance of winning that game from slim to none. For sure his decision was influenced by the early pause. Anyway I'm just gonna let it go from here, imagine it never happened!
only thing debatable here is the timing of the pause. Sure they would have let them play out for another 5 minutes or so but at the end of the day, given the how high skilled the players are, the outcome would have been a draw
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Huge overextension by ForGG
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lol. ForGG just donated his whole army for next to nothing.
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forgg just went balls deep and mana didn't even feel it
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