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[WCS] Playoffs Day 2 - Season 3 2015 - Page 95

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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
-Zealously
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-13 16:54:21
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1881
On September 14 2015 01:51 KingAlphard wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:50 Superbanana wrote:
No, i agree the pause was too fast.
But i don't think its a huge deal, if forGG agreed on draw its fine, it was the right call too.


How is it the right call when he couldn't lose the game because of floating buildings, but he had a chance to win it ?

Well, people say gg and leave the game before all buildings blow up, it was a drawn position. It was up to him to decide the timing tho.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
September 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#1882
On September 14 2015 01:52 vult wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:49 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote:
Why did forgg agree to this.....


He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot


But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke?


It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then.


A CC is only 100 seconds, then you can float it wherever you want and it can't be killed.


.. then it's still a draw.


No cause he is not revealed, he can get depots and start a banshee. Or even suicide most of his army to get the banshee out. Even if that failed mana couldnt win, so why not try?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17735 Posts
September 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#1883
On September 14 2015 01:49 Ej_ wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:48 brickrd wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:46 hitpoint wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:45 -YoricK- wrote:
ForGG didn't have enough minerals to go for supply depots, cloak, and a banshee no? He would have had to build a CC and mine more so it would have taken forever for him to even have a chance.


But that chance existed. The refs had no business stopping the game prematurely.

actually it is their business to make that decision lol

i don't care if forgg had a chance because of race design, drawish games should be draws

we should just call every mirror match up a draw because there's no way 1 player just decides to lose with the same tools

Nice! Put it in the rulebook!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#1884
On September 14 2015 01:52 Thax wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army


You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat.


I'm glad they drawed, no matter how questionable the pause timing, instead of us having to sit through that ...


Well he only had to kill a building or two. Also Mana would just surrender when he saw it happening.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
September 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#1885
On September 14 2015 01:52 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army


You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat.


I'm glad they drawed, no matter how questionable the pause timing, instead of us having to sit through that ...

it could have been fun... but I'm fine with it moving on (as forGG agreed to the draw already)
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy831 Posts
September 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#1886
On September 14 2015 01:50 D-light wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:47 Frankenberry wrote:
Before we get carried away

A) ForGG agreed to the draw

B) Who says the referees from ESL are polish? (@ all the bias posts).

With that being said I agree the referee should have let the game go on for a few more mins. Mistakes could be made and ForGG still had a chance to win. A very slim chance but still a chance.

A) Yes, we know this

B) Well, they are foreigners.


FYI Jin (the referee) is korean, former Kespa
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
egernya
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada352 Posts
September 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#1887
On September 14 2015 01:52 DinosaurPoop wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:51 egernya wrote:
This is how forgg could win: start banshee cloak upgrade(200/200) start building a cc(400), stop and make a deopt(100), kill all the mmm until the supply goes to under 5, make a banshee(150/100). He definitely had enough resources.


the thing is they paused pretty damn early, maybe forgg thought mana had an observer so he didn't even think about it


But it worth a try. For the situation that you cannot lose.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#1888
On September 14 2015 01:52 Deathstar wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:50 jubil wrote:
Draw was fine. It's up to the players in the end anyway, the refs can't force a draw (I assume?) they can offer it, if you guys are so sure forgg could have won, why aren't you bashing HIM for AGREEING to the draw? I trust his judgement (probably that Mana can find and kill his stuff before he gets the banshee, and then they sit there while Mana tries and fails to kill the floating buildings)

The refs should have waited 10 minutes


The ref wanted to insert himself into the game

The ref was way too quick. So in the future a ref can pause the game when he sees a PvT game where the Protoss is researching blink and the Terran is making only marines and no stim in sight, and then ask the players if they want to draw
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1889
On September 14 2015 01:53 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:52 Thax wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army


You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat.


I'm glad they drawed, no matter how questionable the pause timing, instead of us having to sit through that ...

it could have been fun... but I'm fine with it moving on (as forGG agreed to the draw already)

fans love inventing things to be outraged about because it makes them feel like their opinions are important
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10116 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1890
so fucking tense
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1891
On September 14 2015 01:52 Superbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:51 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:50 Superbanana wrote:
No, i agree the pause was too fast.
But i don't think its a huge deal, if forGG agreed on draw its fine, it was the right call too.


How is it the right call when he couldn't lose the game because of floating buildings, but he had a chance to win it ?

Well, people say gg and leave the game before all buildings blow up, it was a resignation position. It was up to him to decide the timing tho.


The pause gives a lot of information about the state of the game, information that Mana may have guessed but did not know for sure.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3128 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1892
The pause was early, and I would have preferred to see it play out, but since both players agreed I don't think it illegitimates the series.
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1893
On September 14 2015 01:51 DJHelium wrote:
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On September 14 2015 01:49 Noonius wrote:
1k minerals means jack shit when you have 1 scv and are supply blocked to hell. Even if you finish the cc, you wouldn't have time to build enough supply depots to have enough supply to get a banshee out. plus mana had hallu, he could scout the map so fast to detect cc that was building.


So let them play it out. By drawing they reduce ForGG's chance of winning that game from slim to none.

For sure his decision was influenced by the early pause.

Anyway I'm just gonna let it go from here, imagine it never happened!


only thing debatable here is the timing of the pause. Sure they would have let them play out for another 5 minutes or so but at the end of the day, given the how high skilled the players are, the outcome would have been a draw
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1894
GG..... wow
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1895
Foreignerrrrrrrr
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
FranKrsto
Profile Joined May 2015
4 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1896
Huge overextension by ForGG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1897
lol. ForGG just donated his whole army for next to nothing.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
September 13 2015 16:54 GMT
#1898
that was.. interesting.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 13 2015 16:55 GMT
#1899
Repeat of Game 1!
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 13 2015 16:55 GMT
#1900
forgg just went balls deep and mana didn't even feel it
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
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