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[WCS] Playoffs Day 2 - Season 3 2015 - Page 94

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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
-Zealously
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1861
No, i agree the pause was too fast.
But i don't think its a huge deal, if forGG agreed on draw its fine, it was the right call too.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#1862
On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army


You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat.

He could just kill the buildings.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1863
On September 14 2015 01:49 Noonius wrote:
1k minerals means jack shit when you have 1 scv and are supply blocked to hell. Even if you finish the cc, you wouldn't have time to build enough supply depots to have enough supply to get a banshee out. plus mana had hallu, he could scout the map so fast to detect cc that was building.


So let them play it out. By drawing they reduce ForGG's chance of winning that game from slim to none.

For sure his decision was influenced by the early pause.

Anyway I'm just gonna let it go from here, imagine it never happened!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1864
On September 14 2015 01:49 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote:
Why did forgg agree to this.....


He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot


But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke?


It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then.


A CC is only 100 seconds, then you can float it wherever you want and it can't be killed.


and then what?

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1865
On September 14 2015 01:49 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote:
Why did forgg agree to this.....


He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot


But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke?


It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then.


A CC is only 100 seconds, then you can float it wherever you want and it can't be killed.


If the CC cant land, forgg cant win
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1866
On September 14 2015 01:50 jubil wrote:
Draw was fine. It's up to the players in the end anyway, the refs can't force a draw (I assume?) they can offer it, if you guys are so sure forgg could have won, why aren't you bashing HIM for AGREEING to the draw? I trust his judgement (probably that Mana can find and kill his stuff before he gets the banshee, and then they sit there while Mana tries and fails to kill the floating buildings)

The refs should have waited 10 minutes
Neosteel Enthusiast
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1867
On September 14 2015 01:49 Sissors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:46 graNite wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 egernya wrote:
How the hell was it a draw? Forgg just needed to build some depots and build cloaked banshees with 0 percent of probability to lose.


ForGG had a single SCV and not enough supply for a banshee. There is no way he'd be able to use that single scv to build a CC AND enough supply depots for a banshee before Mana just kills him


??? he had 1000 minerals so he can build a CC, 2 depots and a cloaked banshee. (didnt see his gas though)

While in theory he had a chance, that would take ages, Mana had a waaayyyy larger army + hallucinations, and that would have never been allowed to happen. ForGG had lost too much, mana could safely split his army.

So then we would with a single SCV be 10 minutes further before it would still have been a drawn. Of course ForGG could have decided to go for this, it was his choice too to take a draw. But he also considered that very unlikely apparantly, and I guess ESL also took into account that it would end up in a boring game.


You shouldnt ever prematurely end a game as long as there is a chance of victory. Even more so when a pause gives away that much information about the state of the game.
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KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1868
On September 14 2015 01:50 Superbanana wrote:
No, i agree the pause was too fast.
But i don't think its a huge deal, if forGG agreed on draw its fine, it was the right call too.


How is it the right call when he couldn't lose the game because of floating buildings, but he had a chance to win it ?
MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-13 16:52:01
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1869
LOL That FPV so goood
egernya
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada352 Posts
September 13 2015 16:51 GMT
#1870
This is how forgg could win: start banshee cloak upgrade(200/200) start building a cc(400), stop and make a deopt(100), kill all the mmm until the supply goes to under 5, make a banshee(150/100). He definitely had enough resources.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1871
On September 14 2015 01:51 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:49 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote:
Why did forgg agree to this.....


He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot


But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke?


It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then.


A CC is only 100 seconds, then you can float it wherever you want and it can't be killed.


If the CC cant land, forgg cant win


Again, no detection, all he needed was the cloak banshee.
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1872
On September 14 2015 01:47 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Also there is no way the banshee could have enough energy and dps to outpace Mana's entire army


You can kill one unit, move into dead space (if that actually is dead space, I dunno), regain full energy, repeat.


I'm glad they drawed, no matter how questionable the pause timing, instead of us having to sit through that ...
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1873
On September 14 2015 01:49 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:48 vult wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 KingAlphard wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 Fran_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:42 kaykoose wrote:
Why did forgg agree to this.....


He couldn't build the banshee cause he had no depot


But he had an scv and the money to build all the depots he wanted. Seriously, is this a joke?


It would take FOrGG 10 minutes to get to that tech from no cc/depots. Mana surely would have found the cc by then.


A CC is only 100 seconds, then you can float it wherever you want and it can't be killed.


.. then it's still a draw.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
WhurreOdu
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1739 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1874
Yeah 90k viewers.
Fut am Bam
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1875
On September 14 2015 01:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:50 jubil wrote:
Draw was fine. It's up to the players in the end anyway, the refs can't force a draw (I assume?) they can offer it, if you guys are so sure forgg could have won, why aren't you bashing HIM for AGREEING to the draw? I trust his judgement (probably that Mana can find and kill his stuff before he gets the banshee, and then they sit there while Mana tries and fails to kill the floating buildings)

The refs should have waited 10 minutes


The ref wanted to insert himself into the game
rip passion
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1876
i'm getting joy and pleasure from people being mad about this
TL+ Member
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1877
On September 14 2015 01:49 MavivaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 01:48 stuchiu wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:47 shid0x wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:45 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 14 2015 01:43 egernya wrote:
How the hell was it a draw? Forgg just needed to build some depots and build cloaked banshees with 0 percent of probability to lose.


ForGG had a single SCV and not enough supply for a depot. There is no way he'd be able to use that single scv to build a CC AND enough supply depots for a banshee before Mana just kills him

Who cares ? he suicides everything and like that he can produce banshees


ForGG was revealed. While he kills everything he dies because Mana walks over and kills him

There are sweet spots on that map

ForGG was robbed


He agreed who cares.


People who like fair competition and good games and like seeing people play under high pressure situations.

Yep. Plus a draw should be required by one of the players instead of a staff member imo.

both players agreed to the draw.. the pause was so admins could ASK the players
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1878
On September 14 2015 01:51 egernya wrote:
This is how forgg could win: start banshee cloak upgrade(200/200) start building a cc(400), stop and make a deopt(100), kill all the mmm until the supply goes to under 5, make a banshee(150/100). He definitely had enough resources.


the thing is they paused pretty damn early, maybe forgg thought mana had an observer so he didn't even think about it
When cats speak, mice listen.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1879
Not sure I like these FPV shots during crucial timings.
gg no re thx
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1880
On September 14 2015 01:50 Superbanana wrote:
No, i agree the pause was too fast.
But i don't think its a huge deal, if forGG agreed on draw its fine, it was the right call too.

The pause was awful even if the game was continued. The pause made mana know for sure that he could split up his army.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
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