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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
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On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 Durnuu wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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this has been for quite a while
what are the remaining maps ? Terraform and Cactus Valley 3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy.
that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead
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On September 13 2015 23:23 HellHound wrote:Can't you hold 13/12 with a gate on the low ground when you scout?
I dunno my gates are always safely tucked in my main 
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The good unit to use against Lilbow is mutalisks. He's very weak against them. I hope Zanster doesn't make one.
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On September 13 2015 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:23 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
14/14 best build vs Lilbow Can't you hold 13/12 with a gate on the low ground when you scout? I dunno my gates are always safely tucked in my main
Wusstoss
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On September 13 2015 23:24 Boucot wrote:
The good unit to use against Lilbow is mutalisks. He's very weak against them. I hope Zanster doesn't make one.
mutalisks don't hold all-ins
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On September 13 2015 23:24 Boucot wrote:
The good unit to use against Lilbow is mutalisks. He's very weak against them. I hope Zanster doesn't make one.
yeah I think mutas would be a great choice to tax his multitask
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On September 13 2015 23:23 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 Durnuu wrote:
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Terraform and Cactus Valley 3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy. that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead
Terrans play on Bridgehead ? :O
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On September 13 2015 23:23 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 Durnuu wrote:
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Terraform and Cactus Valley 3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy. that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead
I do it on terraform and dash and terminal
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On September 13 2015 23:24 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:23 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:
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3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy. that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead Terrans play on Bridgehead ? :O
I wouldn't call it "play", it's just 14CC into gg
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On September 13 2015 23:24 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:23 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:
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3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy. that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead Terrans play on Bridgehead ? :O They practice losing a lot on it
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On September 13 2015 23:24 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:23 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:
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3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy. that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead I do it on terraform and dash and terminal
I think Zanster will try some kind of proxy hatch cheese because Terraform is 100% impossible vs blink sentries.
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On September 13 2015 23:24 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:24 Boucot wrote:
The good unit to use against Lilbow is mutalisks. He's very weak against them. I hope Zanster doesn't make one. mutalisks don't hold all-ins
They do if the all-inner hesitates
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On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 Durnuu wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 13 2015 23:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is over this has been for quite a while what are the remaining maps ? Terraform and Cactus Valley 3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O
Well no shit, but you have to fight in chokes if you want to attack. and if Zanster sits back and tries to get up to broodlords then Lilbow will be the one picking where to fight and he's not gonna go to like the one zone where the zerg can get a good concave, and Zanster/zergs in general have a hard enough time defending against Lilbow aggression on maps that are far better for zerg than this one
thus i think this map is probably one of the easiest wins for Lilbow against zerg, assuming the zerg doesnt do a gold base gimmick
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On September 13 2015 23:24 Boucot wrote:
The good unit to use against Lilbow is mutalisks. He's very weak against them. I hope Zanster doesn't make one.
That's what Jaedong used to beat Lilbow in the Ro16 right? using Mutalisks??!!
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On September 13 2015 23:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:24 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:23 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:
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Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy. that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead I do it on terraform and dash and terminal I think Zanster will try some kind of proxy hatch cheese because Terraform is 100% impossible vs blink sentries. What's imposible about it?
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On September 13 2015 23:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:24 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:23 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:22 Ej_ wrote:On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:
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Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O so you're telling me to mutalisk basetrade like I already do on every map? You play gasless zvt on IF I don't think maps bear any relevance on your strategy. that's not true I spine rush vs Terrans on Bridgehead I do it on terraform and dash and terminal I think Zanster will try some kind of proxy hatch cheese because Terraform is 100% impossible vs blink sentries.
he should do the same cheese he did vs MaNa, but this time actually place the fucking spine crawler instead of a half-assed speedling all-in
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On September 13 2015 23:26 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 Durnuu wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 13 2015 23:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is over this has been for quite a while what are the remaining maps ? Terraform and Cactus Valley 3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O assuming the zerg doesnt do a gold base gimmick
I'm ready to bet he will. He'll still lose, but he will do some shenanigans.
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On September 13 2015 23:26 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 23:21 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:20 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:18 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:16 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:15 HellHound wrote:On September 13 2015 23:12 Aocowns wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 Durnuu wrote:On September 13 2015 23:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 13 2015 23:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is over this has been for quite a while what are the remaining maps ? Terraform and Cactus Valley 3-1 Lilbow, there's no way zanster beats him on terraform i think Terra isn't bad for zvp Disregarding zerg's plethora of gold base gimmicks, it's a great map for Lilbow's style, no? Not really, it's not that chokey aside from the rocks. There's enough space to defend properly tho it's really hard to pylong hunt on it It is literally one of the most choke-filled maps in the pool right now? o_O It doesn't matter if a map has chokes if you can avoid fighting in them o_O Well no shit, but you have to fight in chokes if you want to attack. and if Zanster sits back and tries to get up to broodlords then Lilbow will be the one picking where to fight and he's not gonna go to like the one zone where the zerg can get a good concave, and Zanster/zergs in general have a hard enough time defending against Lilbow aggression on maps that are far better for zerg than this one thus i think this map is probably one of the easiest wins for Lilbow against zerg, assuming the zerg doesnt do a gold base gimmick But lilbow will just do one or another blink stalker timing.
You don't need to attack.
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