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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
August 10 2015 10:53 GMT
#141
Wolf Understands zvz so well
Seriously tho mutas are far more likely :D
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:55:58
August 10 2015 10:53 GMT
#142
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:55 GMT
#143
muta vs muta ugh :/
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:56:51
August 10 2015 10:56 GMT
#144
On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/

Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:58 GMT
#145
On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/

Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.

I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors

ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 10:58 GMT
#146
The game is as even as it gets, already 5 star
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
August 10 2015 10:58 GMT
#147
On August 10 2015 19:58 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/

Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.

I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors

ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare

I disagree nightmares aren't boring as shit.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 11:01:02
August 10 2015 11:00 GMT
#148
the ling thing isn't as bad, both of them are mining exactly enough to have 1:1 min:gas for mutas
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 11:01 GMT
#149
wow Curious destroyed him :o
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#150
wat did just happen
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#151
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#152
ugh, so risky rogue
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#153
yeah Rogue should win with the +2
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
loko822
Profile Joined January 2015
54 Posts
August 10 2015 11:04 GMT
#154
No offense but to me ppl that always take the game is balanced side as soon as the slightest discussion arises are more annoying than the imba whiners. Theres always good arguments for both sides, but to think anyone is able to judge how well a game with so many factors is balanced or not seems impossible.
It is way more likely though its not perfectly balanced. You can hardly tell if its the game that favors a race or if player A is just better than B unless its super obvious.

That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:04 GMT
#155
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


rip sweet prince. TT
rip passion
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 11:05:02
August 10 2015 11:04 GMT
#156
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#157
Rogue is doing this so sick
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#158
disgusting
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#159
Poll: Recommend Curious vs Rogue?

good game (5)
 
50%

meh game (2)
 
20%

Fantastic game! (2)
 
20%

Excellent game. (1)
 
10%

bad game (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Curious vs Rogue?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!


Poll: Recommend the ace match?

good game (2)
 
50%

meh game (1)
 
25%

Excellent game. (1)
 
25%

bad game (0)
 
0%

Fantastic game! (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the ace match?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#160
Rogue is such a madman
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
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