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Wolf Understands zvz so well
Seriously tho mutas are far more likely :D
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On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg  That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE
Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules
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On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/
Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn 
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.
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On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.
I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors
ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare
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The game is as even as it gets, already 5 star
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On August 10 2015 19:58 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/ Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out. I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare
I disagree nightmares aren't boring as shit.
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the ling thing isn't as bad, both of them are mining exactly enough to have 1:1 min:gas for mutas
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wow Curious destroyed him :o
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On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules
You don't play on a very high level, do you?
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yeah Rogue should win with the +2
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No offense but to me ppl that always take the game is balanced side as soon as the slightest discussion arises are more annoying than the imba whiners. Theres always good arguments for both sides, but to think anyone is able to judge how well a game with so many factors is balanced or not seems impossible.
It is way more likely though its not perfectly balanced. You can hardly tell if its the game that favors a race or if player A is just better than B unless its super obvious.
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...
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On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...
rip sweet prince. TT
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On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you?
Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont
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Rogue is doing this so sick
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