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[SPL] SBENU vs Jin Air Round 4 2015

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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 15:34:42
August 10 2015 09:32 GMT
#1
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Monday, Aug 10 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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(Z)DongRaeGu <Coda> (T)Maru
(T)jjakji <Vaani Research Station> (P)sOs
(T)Bomber <Iron Fortress>
(Z)Curious <Cactus Valley> (Z)Rogue

Ace:
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(Z)DongRaeGu <Coda> (T)Maru

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(T)jjakji <Vaani Research Station> (P)sOs

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(T)Bomber <Iron Fortress> (P)Trap

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(Z)Curious <Cactus Valley> (Z)Rogue

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<Echo>


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(Z)DongRaeGu <Coda> (T)Maru
(T)jjakji <Vaani Research Station> (P)sOs
(T)Bomber <Iron Fortress> (P)Trap
(Z)Curious <Cactus Valley> (Z)Rogue

Ace:
<Echo>

Jin Air wins 3-1!




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Poll: Recommend DRG vs Maru?

good game (12)
 
71%

Excellent game. (4)
 
24%

meh game (1)
 
6%

bad game (0)
 
0%

Fantastic game! (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend DRG vs Maru?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!



+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +

Poll: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?

good game (6)
 
30%

Excellent game. (6)
 
30%

bad game (5)
 
25%

meh game (2)
 
10%

Fantastic game! (1)
 
5%

20 total votes

Your vote: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!



+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +

Poll: Recommend Bomber vs Trap?

bad game (9)
 
64%

meh game (4)
 
29%

good game (1)
 
7%

Excellent game. (0)
 
0%

Fantastic game! (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Bomber vs Trap?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!



+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +

Poll: Recommend Curious vs Rogue?

good game (5)
 
50%

meh game (2)
 
20%

Fantastic game! (2)
 
20%

Excellent game. (1)
 
10%

bad game (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Curious vs Rogue?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!



+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match] +

Poll: Recommend the ace match?

good game (2)
 
50%

meh game (1)
 
25%

Excellent game. (1)
 
25%

bad game (0)
 
0%

Fantastic game! (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the ace match?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!






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"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 09:35:51
August 10 2015 09:33 GMT
#2
Poll: DRG vs Maru

DRG (7)
 
64%

Maru (4)
 
36%

11 total votes

Your vote: DRG vs Maru

(Vote): DRG
(Vote): Maru


Poll: jjakji vs sOs

jjaji (5)
 
50%

sOs (5)
 
50%

10 total votes

Your vote: jjakji vs sOs

(Vote): jjaji
(Vote): sOs


Poll: Bomber vs Trap

Trap (5)
 
56%

Bomber (4)
 
44%

9 total votes

Your vote: Bomber vs Trap

(Vote): Bomber
(Vote): Trap


Poll: Curious vs Rogue

Curious (6)
 
67%

Rogue (3)
 
33%

9 total votes

Your vote: Curious vs Rogue

(Vote): Curious
(Vote): Rogue


Poll: SBENU or Jin Air?

SBENU (7)
 
78%

Jin Air Green Wins (2)
 
22%

9 total votes

Your vote: SBENU or Jin Air?

(Vote): SBENU
(Vote): Jin Air Green Wins

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
August 10 2015 09:33 GMT
#3
You da real MVP.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 10 2015 09:34 GMT
#4
YEAH! LR THREAD IS UP AND RUNNING FINALLY!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Urbz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands456 Posts
August 10 2015 09:35 GMT
#5
Aw yeah! Lone wolf cast! :D
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:35 GMT
#6
I believe in the one true dong
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 09:37 GMT
#7
Really nice lineup for today. Gogo sbenu!
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
August 10 2015 09:38 GMT
#8
DRG's music is so cool
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
August 10 2015 09:38 GMT
#9
HERE WE GO!!!
STYLE.START.SBENU
Insert wise words here
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:39 GMT
#10
I'm not doing the next one though, too lazy for that!
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:39 GMT
#11
On August 10 2015 18:38 IAmWithStupid wrote:
HERE WE GO!!!
STYLE.START.SBENU


SPLESH

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
August 10 2015 09:39 GMT
#12
Stream good quality or is it me?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 10 2015 09:39 GMT
#13
yo how do i pop out the new Azubu stream?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:41 GMT
#14
well the 2nd worst possible BO for DRG already
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:41 GMT
#15
On August 10 2015 18:39 Pandemona wrote:
Stream good quality or is it me?


it's on free high for me
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:41 GMT
#16
On August 10 2015 18:39 Schelim wrote:
yo how do i pop out the new Azubu stream?


you can't
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 09:41 GMT
#17
Hello every fellow Liquiders, thank you for the LR Ej and go SBENU!

This first match-up is promising.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Aelendis
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium892 Posts
August 10 2015 09:42 GMT
#18
Is Wolf going to talk about the game?
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 10 2015 09:43 GMT
#19
On August 10 2015 18:41 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 18:39 Schelim wrote:
yo how do i pop out the new Azubu stream?


you can't

back to twitch it is
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:44 GMT
#20
ehh I'm going twitch, it's not only about no popout, but also the stream actually being covered by their website if you decide to hide the chat...
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:45 GMT
#21
Oh man I hope the burrow isn't a missclick
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:46 GMT
#22
just don't do it. really, Wolf? But Shia explicitly said just do it
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:46 GMT
#23
I have a feeling today is gonna be a good day
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 09:46 GMT
#24
Wolf's doing a much better work solo-casting than I was expecting.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Aelendis
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium892 Posts
August 10 2015 09:46 GMT
#25
Pretty play by drg
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
August 10 2015 09:47 GMT
#26
THE HYPE IS REAL
Insert wise words here
Aelendis
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium892 Posts
August 10 2015 09:47 GMT
#27
On August 10 2015 18:46 Serimek wrote:
Wolf's doing a much better work solo-casting than I was expecting.


It's awful imo
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:47 GMT
#28
I would like DRG to just bust on 0/0 instead of trying to play the macro while behind on upgrades so much.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 10 2015 09:48 GMT
#29
Lol, Maru expecting 4th and DRG with a delay plants it so it is deleted
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 09:50:33
August 10 2015 09:49 GMT
#30
DRG is ded when Maru's 2/2 is done.

Edit: Nevermind.
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Urbz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands456 Posts
August 10 2015 09:49 GMT
#31
On August 10 2015 18:46 Serimek wrote:
Wolf's doing a much better work solo-casting than I was expecting.


He used to do it back when he was casting Code A aswell now and then, I love it =)
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:50 GMT
#32
Maru is playing bad. Really bad.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 09:50 GMT
#33
Very wp by drg
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
August 10 2015 09:51 GMT
#34
Good job Maru had 60+ SCVs when he lost loads or he would have been in real trouble.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 09:51 GMT
#35
Why the Viking
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:51 GMT
#36
On August 10 2015 18:50 Ej_ wrote:
Maru is playing bad. Really bad.


I for one think, he's playing at the peak of his abilities atm

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
August 10 2015 09:51 GMT
#37
On August 10 2015 18:50 Ej_ wrote:
Maru is playing bad. Really bad.

Whilst you are right, he is still more than in this game though.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 10 2015 09:53 GMT
#38
Rebuild the wall OMG ><
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:54 GMT
#39
You know Zerg is in a good spot when they are willingly attacking a thor with banelings.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 09:55 GMT
#40
On August 10 2015 18:54 Ej_ wrote:
You know Zerg is in a good spot when they are willingly attacking a thor with banelings.


have you been watching like 90% of my replays?

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
August 10 2015 09:56 GMT
#41
sick play by drg !:D
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 09:56 GMT
#42
Poll: Recommend DRG vs Maru?

good game (12)
 
71%

Excellent game. (4)
 
24%

meh game (1)
 
6%

bad game (0)
 
0%

Fantastic game! (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend DRG vs Maru?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 09:56 GMT
#43
DRG !
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Grollicus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany287 Posts
August 10 2015 09:56 GMT
#44
Those first burrowed banelings
Read. | Show me your Healthbars
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 10 2015 09:56 GMT
#45
Owned by the ZvT god.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
August 10 2015 09:56 GMT
#46
Gibberish Maru, gibberish
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 09:58 GMT
#47
On August 10 2015 18:55 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 18:54 Ej_ wrote:
You know Zerg is in a good spot when they are willingly attacking a thor with banelings.


have you been watching like 90% of my replays?



WHAT'S UP I AM NO ONIUS!!!!!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 10 2015 09:58 GMT
#48
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
x0x0
Profile Joined August 2015
149 Posts
August 10 2015 09:59 GMT
#49
DRG is GOOD....last week Flash, this week Maru, next week Inno?
ZYCSMDYF
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
August 10 2015 09:59 GMT
#50
Fun fact, this was the third time Maru CC'd first against Zerg in proleague this year, and all 3 times Maru lost
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 09:59 GMT
#51
DRG's muta-glings-banes has always been top-notch, maybe since almost 5 years minus his slumps.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
August 10 2015 10:00 GMT
#52
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
August 10 2015 10:00 GMT
#53
DongRaeGOD!!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:01 GMT
#54
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.

this just in: current meta prevents Terrans from splitting, building missile turrets and placing ebays in not exposed places
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 10:01 GMT
#55
jjakji please. I got sbenu on liquibets
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:01 GMT
#56
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
August 10 2015 10:02 GMT
#57
DRG reverting back to teamleague god
they just need MMA to get good again
Liquipedia"Expert"
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:02 GMT
#58
What is the name of the music which gets played every time right before a game?
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 10 2015 10:02 GMT
#59
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...

His GSL group suggests otherwise(though his game wasn't the best).
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:05 GMT
#60
So jjakji is SBENU's water man ? Meh.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 10 2015 10:05 GMT
#61
On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?


soO lost to bio yesterday
maru G5L pls
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 10 2015 10:06 GMT
#62
On August 10 2015 19:05 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?


soO lost to bio yesterday

Same team finals(matches) are just bad and shouldn't be used
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:09:30
August 10 2015 10:06 GMT
#63
On August 10 2015 19:02 Inflicted wrote:
DRG reverting back to teamleague god
they just need MMA to get good again


I'm afraid there's no time enough before his retirement for mandatory military service
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
August 10 2015 10:09 GMT
#64
On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?


Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 10 2015 10:10 GMT
#65
Well, that wall worked against sOs :<
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:10 GMT
#66
On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?


Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.


Can I have some references to "what most Terran players feel in Korea" please?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:12 GMT
#67
On August 10 2015 19:10 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?


Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.


Can I have some references to "what most Terran players feel in Korea" please?

you need to PM duckk
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:13 GMT
#68
On August 10 2015 19:12 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:10 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?


Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.


Can I have some references to "what most Terran players feel in Korea" please?

you need to PM duckk


you don't pm duckk, he pms you
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:14 GMT
#69
jjakji is doing such a great job of sniping the tech units
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 10:14 GMT
#70
sOs is being played with here
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:15 GMT
#71
jjakji going to lose as a punishment for playing late game
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
August 10 2015 10:16 GMT
#72
nice games so far
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:18 GMT
#73
sensor towers can't see cloaked units, right?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:19 GMT
#74
Aww
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 10:19 GMT
#75
HOW DARE YOU Jjakji play late vs p!
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:19 GMT
#76
On August 10 2015 19:18 Ej_ wrote:
sensor towers can't see cloaked units, right?


no they can't
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
August 10 2015 10:19 GMT
#77
On August 10 2015 19:15 Ej_ wrote:
jjakji going to lose as a punishment for playing late game

was thinking the same thing lol this senario is getting so close ..
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:20:06
August 10 2015 10:19 GMT
#78
sOs turned the game around with 2 dt's lol
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:20 GMT
#79
On August 10 2015 19:18 Ej_ wrote:
sensor towers can't see cloaked units, right?


They can but they keep the info for themselves.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:20 GMT
#80
DTs changed the whole game jesus christ ...
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:21 GMT
#81
Why go to late game vs. P
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
August 10 2015 10:21 GMT
#82
this is very sad...
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 10 2015 10:22 GMT
#83
Hehe, sOs control - classic a-move syndrome - templars go in the front lines after casting storms. I do it too!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:23 GMT
#84
haha, I thought the cloaked ghosts would rek all
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 10:23 GMT
#85
crap, what a throw
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
August 10 2015 10:24 GMT
#86
NOOOOOO!!!!
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:25 GMT
#87
On August 10 2015 19:23 Noonius wrote:
crap, what a throw


I dont think that this was a throw. It is called playing against Toss lategame and DTs.
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 10 2015 10:25 GMT
#88
On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.


haha, what?


Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.

terrans suddenly winning everything with mech so they have to hallucinate that bio randomly became bad? lmao

iron fortress is the only remotely poor map for bio tvz
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woopr
Profile Joined December 2012
United States112 Posts
August 10 2015 10:25 GMT
#89
--- Nuked ---
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 10:25 GMT
#90
Jjakji still mining gas with 6 workers
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
August 10 2015 10:25 GMT
#91
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
August 10 2015 10:26 GMT
#92
On August 10 2015 19:21 Serimek wrote:
Why go to late game vs. P


Because it's fun ?

Or because T can win
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
August 10 2015 10:26 GMT
#93
Damn it, jjakji.
why even
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:27 GMT
#94
On August 10 2015 19:26 Pino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:21 Serimek wrote:
Why go to late game vs. P


Because it's fun ?

Or because T can win


Sure they can. But not in late game
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
x0x0
Profile Joined August 2015
149 Posts
August 10 2015 10:27 GMT
#95
On August 10 2015 19:25 SBGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:23 Noonius wrote:
crap, what a throw


I dont think that this was a throw. It is called playing against Toss lategame and DTs.

It's a huge THROW!!!!!
ZYCSMDYF
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 10 2015 10:27 GMT
#96
Ugh.... That was so infuriating to watch... As a Terran player, I feel for my jjakji brethren T-T
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 10 2015 10:28 GMT
#97
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:28:36
August 10 2015 10:28 GMT
#98
Poll: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?

good game (6)
 
30%

Excellent game. (6)
 
30%

bad game (5)
 
25%

meh game (2)
 
10%

Fantastic game! (1)
 
5%

20 total votes

Your vote: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:28 GMT
#99
how can i add the stream link to the sidebar?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:29:13
August 10 2015 10:28 GMT
#100
GG sos
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 10:29 GMT
#101
On August 10 2015 19:28 graNite wrote:
how can i add the stream link to the sidebar?

you don't
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:30 GMT
#102
Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:32 GMT
#103
It would be nice to have subtitles in English when advertising for StarLeague
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:32 GMT
#104
On August 10 2015 19:30 SBGamer wrote:
Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming


Into throw ?
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:33 GMT
#105
are there more korean or nonkorean viewers for proleague?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 10 2015 10:33 GMT
#106
On August 10 2015 19:30 SBGamer wrote:
Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming

Countered by Trap's immaculate Oracle control
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:33 GMT
#107
On August 10 2015 19:32 Serimek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:30 SBGamer wrote:
Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming


Into throw ?


Exactly.
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 10 2015 10:34 GMT
#108
On August 10 2015 19:28 Ej_ wrote:
Poll: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?

good game (6)
 
30%

Excellent game. (6)
 
30%

bad game (5)
 
25%

meh game (2)
 
10%

Fantastic game! (1)
 
5%

20 total votes

Your vote: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!


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x0x0
Profile Joined August 2015
149 Posts
August 10 2015 10:34 GMT
#109
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?
ZYCSMDYF
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:35 GMT
#110
Bomber going Gas after 1st Rax? wat
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
August 10 2015 10:36 GMT
#111
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.


I sort to have to disagree, Jjakji was on a clock and had no choice but to constantly force engagements many costing him units. sOs just sat back and soaked it up losing a good amount of colossus sloppily. As the game dragged on we all no what happens to the power of each race and Protoss late game has so many devastating options
x0x0
Profile Joined August 2015
149 Posts
August 10 2015 10:37 GMT
#112
Bomber is dead now....with that oracle out
ZYCSMDYF
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:37 GMT
#113
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:40 GMT
#114
these p builds are so nasty. almost guaranteed worker damage (5+ is standard), safe at home with msc and even detection with the oracle. and he still even gets a third nexus and bomber can not prevent a single step of this...
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:40 GMT
#115
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.


But it's really the other way around too, you have to be able to falsify that TvP is imbalanced in late-game.
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
August 10 2015 10:40 GMT
#116
Did Wolf just call the Zerg logo in the middle of Iron Fortress the Twitter logo...
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 10 2015 10:41 GMT
#117
Link is there now. The hard link works right now anyway.
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#118
Bomber's macro is fucked :c
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#119
those units firing at the assimilator..
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#120
how those terrans all try to be maru is hilarious
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#121
Bomber is ded
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#122
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...

someone enlighten me pls
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
August 10 2015 10:43 GMT
#123
That was a terrible push
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 10 2015 10:43 GMT
#124
wolf getting a little aggressive with bomber lol. calm down wolf

WHAZZEE GONNA DO HUH? HUH?
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SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 10:44 GMT
#125
On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...

someone enlighten me pls


Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:44 GMT
#126
Poll: Recommend Bomber vs Trap?

bad game (9)
 
64%

meh game (4)
 
29%

good game (1)
 
7%

Excellent game. (0)
 
0%

Fantastic game! (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Bomber vs Trap?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:44 GMT
#127
On August 10 2015 19:43 brickrd wrote:
wolf getting a little aggressive with bomber lol. calm down wolf

WHAZZEE GONNA DO HUH? HUH?


I feel like Bomber deserves it though.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:45 GMT
#128
On August 10 2015 19:44 SBGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...

someone enlighten me pls


Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build


so it was a buildorder win? why didnt he adjust after scouting?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
August 10 2015 10:45 GMT
#129
Poor Bomber..crushed
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:46 GMT
#130
On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...

someone enlighten me pls

terran UP
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:47:49
August 10 2015 10:46 GMT
#131
On August 10 2015 19:45 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:44 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...

someone enlighten me pls


Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build


so it was a buildorder win? why didnt he adjust after scouting?


It wasn't a blind BO win, Trap scouted the build with his probe scout, then just adjusted perfectly. Bomber has no way to pressure the third nexus for a long long time after the factory opening because of how late stim is

These protoss players have died to mine or hellion builds for so long, now they have them figured out. That's why you see terrans trying 3CC or rax opening builds more often recently.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:47:04
August 10 2015 10:46 GMT
#132
EJ either stick with all lower case or all upper case. Mixing in both in the recommend games polls is really throwing me off :////
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:47 GMT
#133
On August 10 2015 19:46 Seeker wrote:
EJ either stick with all lower case or all upper case. Mixing in both in the recommend games polls is really throwing me off :////

now you gave me a reason to mix them
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:48:41
August 10 2015 10:48 GMT
#134
On August 10 2015 19:45 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:44 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...

someone enlighten me pls


Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build


so it was a buildorder win? why didnt he adjust after scouting?


Kind of a build order win. Bomber did the most aggressive transition (5 Rax before 3rd CC) and still couldnt do shit because 1-1-1 builds have late production and late upgrades. Such builds get more and more figured out and countered by moves like early 3rd nexus. I think the old 3 rax builds are the way to go now
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:49 GMT
#135
On August 10 2015 19:46 Seeker wrote:
EJ either stick with all lower case or all upper case. Mixing in both in the recommend games polls is really throwing me off :////


why is there still no button to create the standard polls? so that you dont have to type every time...
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
August 10 2015 10:49 GMT
#136
Curious theme
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
x0x0
Profile Joined August 2015
149 Posts
August 10 2015 10:49 GMT
#137
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 10 2015 10:50 GMT
#138
This is Rogue's first really bad music pick. I am disappointed in you, Rogue. You went from the One Piece theme to this...
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 10 2015 10:51 GMT
#139
Oh hey Wolf has ZvZ figured out
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 10:51 GMT
#140
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


you miss the point here. with your logic, there can not be imbalances ever. however, it is most probable that there are small imbalances all over the game. if we make zealots for free and quintuple their damage and terrans then post about this, you would still hate these posts...
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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
August 10 2015 10:53 GMT
#141
Wolf Understands zvz so well
Seriously tho mutas are far more likely :D
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:55:58
August 10 2015 10:53 GMT
#142
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:55 GMT
#143
muta vs muta ugh :/
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 10:56:51
August 10 2015 10:56 GMT
#144
On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/

Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 10:58 GMT
#145
On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/

Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.

I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors

ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 10:58 GMT
#146
The game is as even as it gets, already 5 star
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
August 10 2015 10:58 GMT
#147
On August 10 2015 19:58 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/

Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.

I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors

ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare

I disagree nightmares aren't boring as shit.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 11:01:02
August 10 2015 11:00 GMT
#148
the ling thing isn't as bad, both of them are mining exactly enough to have 1:1 min:gas for mutas
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 11:01 GMT
#149
wow Curious destroyed him :o
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#150
wat did just happen
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#151
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#152
ugh, so risky rogue
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#153
yeah Rogue should win with the +2
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
loko822
Profile Joined January 2015
54 Posts
August 10 2015 11:04 GMT
#154
No offense but to me ppl that always take the game is balanced side as soon as the slightest discussion arises are more annoying than the imba whiners. Theres always good arguments for both sides, but to think anyone is able to judge how well a game with so many factors is balanced or not seems impossible.
It is way more likely though its not perfectly balanced. You can hardly tell if its the game that favors a race or if player A is just better than B unless its super obvious.

That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:04 GMT
#155
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...


rip sweet prince. TT
rip passion
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 11:05:02
August 10 2015 11:04 GMT
#156
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#157
Rogue is doing this so sick
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#158
disgusting
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#159
Poll: Recommend Curious vs Rogue?

good game (5)
 
50%

meh game (2)
 
20%

Fantastic game! (2)
 
20%

Excellent game. (1)
 
10%

bad game (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Curious vs Rogue?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!


Poll: Recommend the ace match?

good game (2)
 
50%

meh game (1)
 
25%

Excellent game. (1)
 
25%

bad game (0)
 
0%

Fantastic game! (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the ace match?

(Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#160
Rogue is such a madman
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 11:06 GMT
#161
On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont


You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?
x0x0
Profile Joined August 2015
149 Posts
August 10 2015 11:08 GMT
#162
On August 10 2015 19:51 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


you miss the point here. with your logic, there can not be imbalances ever. however, it is most probable that there are small imbalances all over the game. if we make zealots for free and quintuple their damage and terrans then post about this, you would still hate these posts...

It's clearly we see this differently....and honestly this is why SC2 is fun.Personaly i'm a random master player and i can beat most late game protoss with terran on ladder, but occasionaly (more than occasionaly actualy...) comes a protoss that kicks my ass so hard...hard meaning absolutely stomps me... in lategame tvp.After that beating , do i think the game is imbalanced?...No....does Maru thinks late game tvp is imba after classic wrecked him ?(no similiraties here between me and Maru ..i don't think he does... we all like to judge quickly and take the easiest solution : fuck small things here and there...the game is imba and that's it!
IMO imbalances are seen differently from player to player and are actually missing skills in a player arsenal/knowledge/mechanics/know how of the game.
ZYCSMDYF
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
August 10 2015 11:08 GMT
#163
On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont


You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?
Yeah, that's normal top master is where people randomly die to 10 mutas every second game.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
August 10 2015 11:08 GMT
#164
On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont


You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?


In the early and midgame, they are actually really easy to hold, but once you have around 5 bases, they are really annoying
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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 11:09 GMT
#165
On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont


You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?


in tvp lategame at this level, warpins are a huge problem because you can no defend them with the reinforcements and because they need all your attention because zealots are too hard to deal with with no micro. and mixed in dts make it even harder.

are you playing at this level?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 10 2015 11:09 GMT
#166
On August 10 2015 20:04 loko822 wrote:
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...


He didn't. The first time he lost a lot of units to kill the natural nexus while at the same time losing units and ~10 SCVs at home to a warpin round of zealots => overall a better trade for sOs.

The second time he lost 18 SCVs at home to DTs because he didn't react to them.
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Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 10 2015 11:15 GMT
#167
Guys, did Curious GG too early?
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:16 GMT
#168
On August 10 2015 20:15 Seeker wrote:
Guys, did Curious GG too early?

he had 1 drone and 30 mutas vs 6 spores and a fully mining base
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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 11:16 GMT
#169
On August 10 2015 20:15 Seeker wrote:
Guys, did Curious GG too early?


which early do you mean between "fantasy early" and "idra early"
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 10 2015 11:17 GMT
#170
On August 10 2015 20:15 Seeker wrote:
Guys, did Curious GG too early?


No, he was down to 1 drone to Rogue's mining 3rd. He couldn't have defended a new Hatchery.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 10 2015 11:18 GMT
#171
On August 10 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:04 loko822 wrote:
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...


He didn't. The first time he lost a lot of units to kill the natural nexus while at the same time losing units and ~10 SCVs at home to a warpin round of zealots => overall a better trade for sOs.

The second time he lost 18 SCVs at home to DTs because he didn't react to them.


Terran need more Lategame Ravens.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 11:20 GMT
#172
On August 10 2015 20:18 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:04 loko822 wrote:
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...


He didn't. The first time he lost a lot of units to kill the natural nexus while at the same time losing units and ~10 SCVs at home to a warpin round of zealots => overall a better trade for sOs.

The second time he lost 18 SCVs at home to DTs because he didn't react to them.


Terran need more Lategame Ravens.


and feedback shouldnt do damage, just burn all the energy. defending a drop with 1 ht is too easy imo
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 10 2015 11:20 GMT
#173
I'm saying, he still had mutas right? Just #yolo and fight till he has nothing, then GG out.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 10 2015 11:20 GMT
#174
On August 10 2015 20:09 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:
man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg


That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont


You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?


in tvp lategame at this level, warpins are a huge problem because you can no defend them with the reinforcements and because they need all your attention because zealots are too hard to deal with with no micro. and mixed in dts make it even harder.

are you playing at this level?


Eh, I meet plenty of Terrans on the ladder who are capable of defending themselves vs warpins in their bases. Others die, but that can be said for most decent Starcraft moves.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 10 2015 11:23 GMT
#175
On August 10 2015 20:20 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 20:09 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:
On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]

That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.

He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?


lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.

a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.

yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE


Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules


You don't play on a very high level, do you?


Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont


You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?


in tvp lategame at this level, warpins are a huge problem because you can no defend them with the reinforcements and because they need all your attention because zealots are too hard to deal with with no micro. and mixed in dts make it even harder.

are you playing at this level?


Eh, I meet plenty of Terrans on the ladder who are capable of defending themselves vs warpins in their bases. Others die, but that can be said for most decent Starcraft moves.



it is not about dieing or not, it is about the amount of work i have to do to defend this as a terran compared to the protoss who just warps in and amoves zealots
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 10 2015 11:24 GMT
#176
Where do we migrate?
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 10 2015 11:26 GMT
#177
Ej making it, I imagine?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2015 11:26 GMT
#178
On August 10 2015 20:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Ej making it, I imagine?

nope
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 10 2015 11:30 GMT
#179
do I need to revive the LRJL to motivate new LR OPs
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elwood.sc2
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany35 Posts
August 10 2015 12:32 GMT
#180
Oh no, Maru was caught by his old Prime vibes... 0-3 so far. Luckily I dont have a FPL-Team this season.
Great, JAGW won it in the end. Yeah!
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 13:24:56
August 10 2015 13:17 GMT
#181
I totally posted in the wrong thread. I swear I clicked Samsung vs CJ LOL.

For the sake of posting something relevant, it's funny how Maru has been slumping so hard. It's too bad too, because Terran is in need of some heroes right now. Innovation is leading the Terran charge, but both Dream and Maru are looking less than spectacular again!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 10 2015 13:30 GMT
#182
Wow DRG :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
August 10 2015 21:47 GMT
#183
On August 10 2015 22:17 Blargh wrote:
I totally posted in the wrong thread. I swear I clicked Samsung vs CJ LOL.

For the sake of posting something relevant, it's funny how Maru has been slumping so hard. It's too bad too, because Terran is in need of some heroes right now. Innovation is leading the Terran charge, but both Dream and Maru are looking less than spectacular again!

What can Maru do against The Final Boss?!
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neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
August 11 2015 02:01 GMT
#184
On August 10 2015 22:17 Blargh wrote:
I totally posted in the wrong thread. I swear I clicked Samsung vs CJ LOL.

For the sake of posting something relevant, it's funny how Maru has been slumping so hard. It's too bad too, because Terran is in need of some heroes right now. Innovation is leading the Terran charge, but both Dream and Maru are looking less than spectacular again!


Well.. Maru made it out of his GSL group pretty convincingly, which was a relief. Also, DRG was totally on fire here. When DRG powers up, he can smash absolutely anyone. I'll admit that Maru hasn't been looking 100% on for a while and it's sad, but I don't think he's slumping quite as hard as it sometimes feels.
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