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Poll: DRG vs MaruDRG (7) 64% Maru (4) 36% 11 total votes Your vote: DRG vs Maru (Vote): DRG
(Vote): Maru
Poll: jjakji vs sOsjjaji (5) 50% sOs (5) 50% 10 total votes Your vote: jjakji vs sOs (Vote): jjaji
(Vote): sOs
Poll: Bomber vs TrapTrap (5) 56% Bomber (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: Bomber vs Trap (Vote): Bomber
(Vote): Trap
Poll: Curious vs RogueCurious (6) 67% Rogue (3) 33% 9 total votes Your vote: Curious vs Rogue (Vote): Curious
(Vote): Rogue
Poll: SBENU or Jin Air?SBENU (7) 78% Jin Air Green Wins (2) 22% 9 total votes Your vote: SBENU or Jin Air? (Vote): SBENU
(Vote): Jin Air Green Wins
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36948 Posts
YEAH! LR THREAD IS UP AND RUNNING FINALLY!
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Aw yeah! Lone wolf cast! :D
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I believe in the one true dong
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Really nice lineup for today. Gogo sbenu!
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
HERE WE GO!!!
STYLE.START.SBENU
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I'm not doing the next one though, too lazy for that!
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On August 10 2015 18:38 IAmWithStupid wrote:
HERE WE GO!!!
STYLE.START.SBENU
SPLESH
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
Stream good quality or is it me?
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yo how do i pop out the new Azubu stream?
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well the 2nd worst possible BO for DRG already
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On August 10 2015 18:39 Pandemona wrote:
Stream good quality or is it me?
it's on free high for me
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On August 10 2015 18:39 Schelim wrote:
yo how do i pop out the new Azubu stream?
you can't
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Hello every fellow Liquiders, thank you for the LR Ej and go SBENU!
This first match-up is promising.
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Is Wolf going to talk about the game?
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On August 10 2015 18:41 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 18:39 Schelim wrote:
yo how do i pop out the new Azubu stream? you can't
back to twitch it is
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ehh I'm going twitch, it's not only about no popout, but also the stream actually being covered by their website if you decide to hide the chat...
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Oh man I hope the burrow isn't a missclick
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just don't do it. really, Wolf? But Shia explicitly said just do it
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I have a feeling today is gonna be a good day
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Wolf's doing a much better work solo-casting than I was expecting.
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
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On August 10 2015 18:46 Serimek wrote:
Wolf's doing a much better work solo-casting than I was expecting.
It's awful imo
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I would like DRG to just bust on 0/0 instead of trying to play the macro while behind on upgrades so much.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Lol, Maru expecting 4th and DRG with a delay plants it so it is deleted 
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DRG is ded when Maru's 2/2 is done.
Edit: Nevermind.
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On August 10 2015 18:46 Serimek wrote:
Wolf's doing a much better work solo-casting than I was expecting.
He used to do it back when he was casting Code A aswell now and then, I love it =)
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Maru is playing bad. Really bad.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
Good job Maru had 60+ SCVs when he lost loads or he would have been in real trouble.
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Why the Viking 
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On August 10 2015 18:50 Ej_ wrote:
Maru is playing bad. Really bad.
I for one think, he's playing at the peak of his abilities atm
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
On August 10 2015 18:50 Ej_ wrote:
Maru is playing bad. Really bad.
Whilst you are right, he is still more than in this game though.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
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You know Zerg is in a good spot when they are willingly attacking a thor with banelings.
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On August 10 2015 18:54 Ej_ wrote:
You know Zerg is in a good spot when they are willingly attacking a thor with banelings.
have you been watching like 90% of my replays?
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Poll: Recommend DRG vs Maru?good game (12) 71% Excellent game. (4) 24% meh game (1) 6% bad game (0) 0% Fantastic game! (0) 0% 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend DRG vs Maru? (Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!
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Those first burrowed banelings
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Canada8157 Posts
Gibberish Maru, gibberish
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On August 10 2015 18:55 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 18:54 Ej_ wrote:
You know Zerg is in a good spot when they are willingly attacking a thor with banelings. have you been watching like 90% of my replays?
WHAT'S UP I AM NO ONIUS!!!!!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36948 Posts
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...
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DRG is GOOD....last week Flash, this week Maru, next week Inno?
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Canada8157 Posts
Fun fact, this was the third time Maru CC'd first against Zerg in proleague this year, and all 3 times Maru lost
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DRG's muta-glings-banes has always been top-notch, maybe since almost 5 years minus his slumps.
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On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...
Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.
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On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.
this just in: current meta prevents Terrans from splitting, building missile turrets and placing ebays in not exposed places
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jjakji please. I got sbenu on liquibets
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On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio.
haha, what?
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Australia18228 Posts
DRG reverting back to teamleague god
they just need MMA to get good again
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What is the name of the music which gets played every time right before a game?
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...
His GSL group suggests otherwise(though his game wasn't the best).
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So jjakji is SBENU's water man ? Meh.
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On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard... Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio. haha, what?
soO lost to bio yesterday
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 10 2015 19:05 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard... Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio. haha, what? soO lost to bio yesterday
Same team finals(matches) are just bad and shouldn't be used 
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On August 10 2015 19:02 Inflicted wrote:
DRG reverting back to teamleague god
they just need MMA to get good again
I'm afraid there's no time enough before his retirement for mandatory military service 
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On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard... Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio. haha, what?
Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Well, that wall worked against sOs :<
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On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard... Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio. haha, what? Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.
Can I have some references to "what most Terran players feel in Korea" please?
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On August 10 2015 19:10 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard... Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio. haha, what? Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves. Can I have some references to "what most Terran players feel in Korea" please?
you need to PM duckk
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On August 10 2015 19:12 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:10 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard... Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio. haha, what? Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves. Can I have some references to "what most Terran players feel in Korea" please? you need to PM duckk
you don't pm duckk, he pms you
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jjakji is doing such a great job of sniping the tech units
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sOs is being played with here
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jjakji going to lose as a punishment for playing late game
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sensor towers can't see cloaked units, right?
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HOW DARE YOU Jjakji play late vs p!
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On August 10 2015 19:18 Ej_ wrote:
sensor towers can't see cloaked units, right?
no they can't
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On August 10 2015 19:15 Ej_ wrote:
jjakji going to lose as a punishment for playing late game
was thinking the same thing lol this senario is getting so close ..
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sOs turned the game around with 2 dt's lol
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On August 10 2015 19:18 Ej_ wrote:
sensor towers can't see cloaked units, right?
They can but they keep the info for themselves.
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DTs changed the whole game jesus christ ...
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Why go to late game vs. P
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Hehe, sOs control - classic a-move syndrome - templars go in the front lines after casting storms. I do it too!
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haha, I thought the cloaked ghosts would rek all
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On August 10 2015 19:23 Noonius wrote:
crap, what a throw
I dont think that this was a throw. It is called playing against Toss lategame and DTs.
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On August 10 2015 19:09 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:00 jellyjello wrote:On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard... Not just Maru, it's just the current meta. Can't win vs zerg with only bio. haha, what? Just relaying what most Terran players feel in Korea. Of course, you guys know better than the players themselves.
terrans suddenly winning everything with mech so they have to hallucinate that bio randomly became bad? lmao
iron fortress is the only remotely poor map for bio tvz
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late game protoss - 312,459
late game terran - 0
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Jjakji still mining gas with 6 workers 
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man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg
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On August 10 2015 19:21 Serimek wrote:Why go to late game vs. P
Because it's fun ?
Or because T can win
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On August 10 2015 19:26 Pino wrote:Because it's fun ? Or because T can win
Sure they can. But not in late game
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On August 10 2015 19:25 SBGamer wrote:I dont think that this was a throw. It is called playing against Toss lategame and DTs.
It's a huge THROW!!!!!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36948 Posts
Ugh.... That was so infuriating to watch... As a Terran player, I feel for my jjakji brethren T-T
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Austria24417 Posts
On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg
That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.
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Poll: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?good game (6) 30% Excellent game. (6) 30% bad game (5) 25% meh game (2) 10% Fantastic game! (1) 5% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend jjakji vs sOs? (Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!
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how can i add the stream link to the sidebar?
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On August 10 2015 19:28 graNite wrote:
how can i add the stream link to the sidebar?
you don't
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Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming
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It would be nice to have subtitles in English when advertising for StarLeague
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On August 10 2015 19:30 SBGamer wrote:
Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming
Into throw ?
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are there more korean or nonkorean viewers for proleague?
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 10 2015 19:30 SBGamer wrote:
Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming
Countered by Trap's immaculate Oracle control
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On August 10 2015 19:32 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:30 SBGamer wrote:
Bomber CC first into 3 CC into scvpull incoming Into throw ?
Exactly.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36948 Posts
On August 10 2015 19:28 Ej_ wrote:Poll: Recommend jjakji vs sOs?good game (6) 30% Excellent game. (6) 30% bad game (5) 25% meh game (2) 10% Fantastic game! (1) 5% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend jjakji vs sOs? (Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!
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On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.
He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower.
This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?
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Bomber going Gas after 1st Rax? wat
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On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky.
I sort to have to disagree, Jjakji was on a clock and had no choice but to constantly force engagements many costing him units. sOs just sat back and soaked it up losing a good amount of colossus sloppily. As the game dragged on we all no what happens to the power of each race and Protoss late game has so many devastating options
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Bomber is dead now....with that oracle out
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On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent?
lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him.
a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.
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these p builds are so nasty. almost guaranteed worker damage (5+ is standard), safe at home with msc and even detection with the oracle. and he still even gets a third nexus and bomber can not prevent a single step of this...
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On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.
But it's really the other way around too, you have to be able to falsify that TvP is imbalanced in late-game.
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Did Wolf just call the Zerg logo in the middle of Iron Fortress the Twitter logo...
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Link is there now. The hard link works right now anyway.
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Bomber's macro is fucked :c
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those units firing at the assimilator..
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how those terrans all try to be maru is hilarious
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there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...
someone enlighten me pls
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wolf getting a little aggressive with bomber lol. calm down wolf
WHAZZEE GONNA DO HUH? HUH?
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On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...
someone enlighten me pls
Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build
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Poll: Recommend Bomber vs Trap?bad game (9) 64% meh game (4) 29% good game (1) 7% Excellent game. (0) 0% Fantastic game! (0) 0% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Bomber vs Trap? (Vote): bad game
(Vote): meh game
(Vote): good game
(Vote): Excellent game.
(Vote): Fantastic game!
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On August 10 2015 19:43 brickrd wrote:
wolf getting a little aggressive with bomber lol. calm down wolf
WHAZZEE GONNA DO HUH? HUH?
I feel like Bomber deserves it though.
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On August 10 2015 19:44 SBGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...
someone enlighten me pls Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build
so it was a buildorder win? why didnt he adjust after scouting?
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On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...
someone enlighten me pls
terran UP
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Austria24417 Posts
On August 10 2015 19:45 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:44 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...
someone enlighten me pls Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build so it was a buildorder win? why didnt he adjust after scouting?
It wasn't a blind BO win, Trap scouted the build with his probe scout, then just adjusted perfectly. Bomber has no way to pressure the third nexus for a long long time after the factory opening because of how late stim is
These protoss players have died to mine or hellion builds for so long, now they have them figured out. That's why you see terrans trying 3CC or rax opening builds more often recently.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36948 Posts
EJ either stick with all lower case or all upper case. Mixing in both in the recommend games polls is really throwing me off :////
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On August 10 2015 19:46 Seeker wrote:
EJ either stick with all lower case or all upper case. Mixing in both in the recommend games polls is really throwing me off :////
now you gave me a reason to mix them
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On August 10 2015 19:45 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:44 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:42 graNite wrote:
there was not a single point in the game where bomber could have punished this build. and after the third nexus got up, he was too behind...
someone enlighten me pls Bomber's macro was a problem. He had several supply blocks. Also his build is not really good to counter an early 3rd nexus. He should have gone for a 3 rax build so it was a buildorder win? why didnt he adjust after scouting?
Kind of a build order win. Bomber did the most aggressive transition (5 Rax before 3rd CC) and still couldnt do shit because 1-1-1 builds have late production and late upgrades. Such builds get more and more figured out and countered by moves like early 3rd nexus. I think the old 3 rax builds are the way to go now
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On August 10 2015 19:46 Seeker wrote:
EJ either stick with all lower case or all upper case. Mixing in both in the recommend games polls is really throwing me off :////
why is there still no button to create the standard polls? so that you dont have to type every time...
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Curious theme
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On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid.
yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance.
What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE
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Austria24417 Posts
This is Rogue's first really bad music pick. I am disappointed in you, Rogue. You went from the One Piece theme to this...
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Austria24417 Posts
Oh hey Wolf has ZvZ figured out
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On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE
you miss the point here. with your logic, there can not be imbalances ever. however, it is most probable that there are small imbalances all over the game. if we make zealots for free and quintuple their damage and terrans then post about this, you would still hate these posts...
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Wolf Understands zvz so well
Seriously tho mutas are far more likely :D
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On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE
Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules
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On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/
Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn
Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.
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On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out.
I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors
ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare
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The game is as even as it gets, already 5 star
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On August 10 2015 19:58 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:56 HellHound wrote:On August 10 2015 19:55 Ej_ wrote:
muta vs muta ugh :/ Roach v Roach is very unsual on cross spawn Since you can't pressure with a roach build before mutas are out. I was hoping for 1 of them to do some weird ling build, maybe nydus, maybe infestors ZvZ on cross is a nigthmare
I disagree nightmares aren't boring as shit.
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the ling thing isn't as bad, both of them are mining exactly enough to have 1:1 min:gas for mutas
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wow Curious destroyed him :o
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On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules
You don't play on a very high level, do you?
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yeah Rogue should win with the +2
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No offense but to me ppl that always take the game is balanced side as soon as the slightest discussion arises are more annoying than the imba whiners. Theres always good arguments for both sides, but to think anyone is able to judge how well a game with so many factors is balanced or not seems impossible.
It is way more likely though its not perfectly balanced. You can hardly tell if its the game that favors a race or if player A is just better than B unless its super obvious.
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...
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On August 10 2015 18:58 Seeker wrote:
Oh dear... Maru be slumpin hard...
rip sweet prince. TT
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On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you?
Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont
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Rogue is doing this so sick
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Poll: Recommend Curious vs Rogue?good game (5) 50% meh game (2) 20% Fantastic game! (2) 20% Excellent game. (1) 10% bad game (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Curious vs Rogue? (Vote): bad game
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Poll: Recommend the ace match?good game (2) 50% meh game (1) 25% Excellent game. (1) 25% bad game (0) 0% Fantastic game! (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend the ace match? (Vote): bad game
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On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you? Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont
You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?
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On August 10 2015 19:51 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE you miss the point here. with your logic, there can not be imbalances ever. however, it is most probable that there are small imbalances all over the game. if we make zealots for free and quintuple their damage and terrans then post about this, you would still hate these posts...
It's clearly we see this differently....and honestly this is why SC2 is fun.Personaly i'm a random master player and i can beat most late game protoss with terran on ladder, but occasionaly (more than occasionaly actualy...) comes a protoss that kicks my ass so hard...hard meaning absolutely stomps me... in lategame tvp.After that beating , do i think the game is imbalanced?...No....does Maru thinks late game tvp is imba after classic wrecked him ?(no similiraties here between me and Maru ..i don't think he does... we all like to judge quickly and take the easiest solution : fuck small things here and there...the game is imba and that's it!
IMO imbalances are seen differently from player to player and are actually missing skills in a player arsenal/knowledge/mechanics/know how of the game.
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On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you? Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases? Yeah, that's normal top master is where people randomly die to 10 mutas every second game.
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On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you? Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?
In the early and midgame, they are actually really easy to hold, but once you have around 5 bases, they are really annoying
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On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you? Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases?
in tvp lategame at this level, warpins are a huge problem because you can no defend them with the reinforcements and because they need all your attention because zealots are too hard to deal with with no micro. and mixed in dts make it even harder.
are you playing at this level?
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On August 10 2015 20:04 loko822 wrote:
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion...
He didn't. The first time he lost a lot of units to kill the natural nexus while at the same time losing units and ~10 SCVs at home to a warpin round of zealots => overall a better trade for sOs.
The second time he lost 18 SCVs at home to DTs because he didn't react to them.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36948 Posts
Guys, did Curious GG too early?
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On August 10 2015 20:15 Seeker wrote:
Guys, did Curious GG too early?
he had 1 drone and 30 mutas vs 6 spores and a fully mining base
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On August 10 2015 20:15 Seeker wrote:
Guys, did Curious GG too early?
which early do you mean between "fantasy early" and "idra early"
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On August 10 2015 20:15 Seeker wrote:
Guys, did Curious GG too early?
No, he was down to 1 drone to Rogue's mining 3rd. He couldn't have defended a new Hatchery.
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On August 10 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:04 loko822 wrote:
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion... He didn't. The first time he lost a lot of units to kill the natural nexus while at the same time losing units and ~10 SCVs at home to a warpin round of zealots => overall a better trade for sOs. The second time he lost 18 SCVs at home to DTs because he didn't react to them.
Terran need more Lategame Ravens.
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On August 10 2015 20:18 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 20:04 loko822 wrote:
That jakji sniped 2 nexus for almost free also doesnt seem to matter in your guys discussion... He didn't. The first time he lost a lot of units to kill the natural nexus while at the same time losing units and ~10 SCVs at home to a warpin round of zealots => overall a better trade for sOs. The second time he lost 18 SCVs at home to DTs because he didn't react to them. Terran need more Lategame Ravens.
and feedback shouldnt do damage, just burn all the energy. defending a drop with 1 ht is too easy imo
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36948 Posts
I'm saying, he still had mutas right? Just #yolo and fight till he has nothing, then GG out.
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On August 10 2015 20:09 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2015 19:25 Topdoller wrote:man i feel sorry for Jjakji, by far the better player in this game imho. Protoss late game...urrggg That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you? Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases? in tvp lategame at this level, warpins are a huge problem because you can no defend them with the reinforcements and because they need all your attention because zealots are too hard to deal with with no micro. and mixed in dts make it even harder. are you playing at this level?
Eh, I meet plenty of Terrans on the ladder who are capable of defending themselves vs warpins in their bases. Others die, but that can be said for most decent Starcraft moves.
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On August 10 2015 20:20 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 20:09 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 20:06 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 20:04 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 20:02 Heartland wrote:On August 10 2015 19:53 SBGamer wrote:On August 10 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:37 graNite wrote:On August 10 2015 19:34 x0x0 wrote:On August 10 2015 19:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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That's just not a fair thing to say about this game at all. sOs was always finding ways to damage Jjakji's economy while building a stronger army. He was the better player this game, even though his engagements were shaky. He was the better player cause he won the game and that's it.Jjakji was the worst player cause he didn't build a turret near his ramp and near that sensor tower. This is the best game for a case study on how to lose a game when you're the dominant player.Sometimes, I think the pro players are way to confident in their skills and don't follow a logic thought : How can i lose this game, considering i'm doint better than my opponent? lets say storms do 100x damage. jjakjji is ahead up until storm, then loses. with your logic, it was his fault he didnt consider storms to be able to beat him. a theory is not really good when it is not possible to falsify. couldnt it be possible that tvp lategame is imbalanced? if you dont give me a way to prove that, your point is invalid. yet again another "wine" about imbalance....MECH vs zerg is imba...lategame tvp is imba......everything is imba on this game... don't look for the root cause just point to the easiest ideea: imbalance. What if Jjakji had better control with his army, what if he had 1 turret near that sensor tower and his ramp...would you agree he would have hade so much better chances at winning?....Small thing like this can determine the outcome of a game played by 2 similar skilled players(just for today...i think sOs overall is more skilled that Jjakji ) not IMBALANCE Turrets dont defend against DTs well because Terran does not have a static defense which doesnt cost supply. Even a planetary in the lategame would die because dts can snipe turrets really fast. The first two dts already killed 18 workers. TvP lategame is imba mostly because of toss harass options like DTs and warp prisms. Also toss defenders advantage is insane because of instant warp ins. The only advantage that Terran really has in the lategame are the mules You don't play on a very high level, do you? Top 8 Masters , so no, I dont You're top 8 masters and can't defend DTs who try to snipe the turrets in your bases? in tvp lategame at this level, warpins are a huge problem because you can no defend them with the reinforcements and because they need all your attention because zealots are too hard to deal with with no micro. and mixed in dts make it even harder. are you playing at this level? Eh, I meet plenty of Terrans on the ladder who are capable of defending themselves vs warpins in their bases. Others die, but that can be said for most decent Starcraft moves.
it is not about dieing or not, it is about the amount of work i have to do to defend this as a terran compared to the protoss who just warps in and amoves zealots
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On August 10 2015 20:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Ej making it, I imagine?
nope
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do I need to revive the LRJL to motivate new LR OPs
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Oh no, Maru was caught by his old Prime vibes... 0-3 so far. Luckily I dont have a FPL-Team this season.
Great, JAGW won it in the end. Yeah!
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I totally posted in the wrong thread. I swear I clicked Samsung vs CJ LOL.
For the sake of posting something relevant, it's funny how Maru has been slumping so hard. It's too bad too, because Terran is in need of some heroes right now. Innovation is leading the Terran charge, but both Dream and Maru are looking less than spectacular again!
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On August 10 2015 22:17 Blargh wrote:
I totally posted in the wrong thread. I swear I clicked Samsung vs CJ LOL.
For the sake of posting something relevant, it's funny how Maru has been slumping so hard. It's too bad too, because Terran is in need of some heroes right now. Innovation is leading the Terran charge, but both Dream and Maru are looking less than spectacular again!
What can Maru do against The Final Boss?!
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On August 10 2015 22:17 Blargh wrote:
I totally posted in the wrong thread. I swear I clicked Samsung vs CJ LOL.
For the sake of posting something relevant, it's funny how Maru has been slumping so hard. It's too bad too, because Terran is in need of some heroes right now. Innovation is leading the Terran charge, but both Dream and Maru are looking less than spectacular again!
Well.. Maru made it out of his GSL group pretty convincingly, which was a relief. Also, DRG was totally on fire here. When DRG powers up, he can smash absolutely anyone. I'll admit that Maru hasn't been looking 100% on for a while and it's sad, but I don't think he's slumping quite as hard as it sometimes feels.
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