[WCS] EU Challenger - Day 3 Season 3 2015 - Page 33

On July 30 2015 05:54 mikumegurine wrote:
when time tommorow is the group drawings, and will it be streamed live?

On July 30 2015 05:07 chipmonklord17 wrote:


But bo5s are already a thing in WCS format in Premier Ro8 and beyond. I think that while having a mix of formatting is good, there's just too much riding on a single series. As a foreigner your only hope of going to blizzcon is routinely making it deep in premier, as two round of 4s has gotten Bunny ALMOST into Blizzcon. And with seeding into premier existing only for the winner you're left with a bo5 that sets up your entire year. You lose 3 maps and you aren't going to blizzcon. And to me that just isn't fair

On July 30 2015 07:07 NonY wrote:

There's a big difference between long series that you have time to prepare for and brackets played out in a single weekend. It's only the Ro8 that is comparable, but it's still very different because you see who can perform on a stage after traveling and everything, and the players can't purely prepare for one series in case they win and have to play semis/finals.

The WCS points system could definitely be revised but it's not fair to place so much significance on challenger consisting of 1xbo5 rather than 2xbo3. They aren't even that different at determining the best player. Did Bunny give a Blizzcon-worthy performance in his match? You can't let your support of a particular player affect your evaluation of the system. I don't think Bunny was given an unfair test of skill.

I think the real tragedy occurs when two titans collide in challenger and both play fantastically but one has to lose. But then that's the genius of the seeding and picking system. A good player will eventually earn a good seed, and then he has no one to blame but himself if he picks his opponent poorly.

Maybe I'm still used to the brutality of OSL/GSL in BW where the champion of one sometimes didn't make it out of the qualifiers of the other. The fact that some very good players would get stopped short (sometimes very short) on their journey to a championship, sometimes in very weird ways, was just part of the scene. In any case, I love the tension and the real sense of clash you get between players in an isolated Bo5 single elim, as opposed to groups or brackets played out in a weekend where it feels more like players are just crossing each others' paths until you get to the finals.

If I would change anything it'd be the year-long points system and annual championship. Every year there's a weird pool of players who were peaking at different times. Most competitions (for other games and sports) have much shorter seasons. And the more of a team game the competition is, the more it's okay for it to be a longer season. It's really unwise for 9 months of results to be used for such a competitive cutoff. There are always too many players rank 17+ who would perform better than some who qualified. It would be cool if there were two preliminary rounds played before blizzcon weekend so that the top 64 players could have a chance.

On July 30 2015 07:07 NonY wrote:

There's a big difference between long series that you have time to prepare for and brackets played out in a single weekend. It's only the Ro8 that is comparable, but it's still very different because you see who can perform on a stage after traveling and everything, and the players can't purely prepare for one series in case they win and have to play semis/finals.

The WCS points system could definitely be revised but it's not fair to place so much significance on challenger consisting of 1xbo5 rather than 2xbo3. They aren't even that different at determining the best player. Did Bunny give a Blizzcon-worthy performance in his match? You can't let your support of a particular player affect your evaluation of the system. I don't think Bunny was given an unfair test of skill.

I think the real tragedy occurs when two titans collide in challenger and both play fantastically but one has to lose. But then that's the genius of the seeding and picking system. A good player will eventually earn a good seed, and then he has no one to blame but himself if he picks his opponent poorly.

Maybe I'm still used to the brutality of OSL/GSL in BW where the champion of one sometimes didn't make it out of the qualifiers of the other. The fact that some very good players would get stopped short (sometimes very short) on their journey to a championship, sometimes in very weird ways, was just part of the scene. In any case, I love the tension and the real sense of clash you get between players in an isolated Bo5 single elim, as opposed to groups or brackets played out in a weekend where it feels more like players are just crossing each others' paths until you get to the finals.

If I would change anything it'd be the year-long points system and annual championship. Every year there's a weird pool of players who were peaking at different times. Most competitions (for other games and sports) have much shorter seasons. And the more of a team game the competition is, the more it's okay for it to be a longer season. It's really unwise for 9 months of results to be used for such a competitive cutoff. There are always too many players rank 17+ who would perform better than some who qualified. It would be cool if there were two preliminary rounds played before blizzcon weekend so that the top 64 players could have a chance.

On July 30 2015 13:46 [Erasmus] wrote:
Is it just me or do the twitch vods for this have no sound?