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Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
May 05 2015 08:21 GMT
#421
Man I so hoped Life would win this, meh...

That leaves just the GSL and SSL
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18631 Posts
May 05 2015 08:21 GMT
#422
On May 05 2015 17:19 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:13 Big J wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:09 lichter wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ZvP right now...........

/facepalm


BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES


it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch


The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.

that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.


And despite that've been completely dedicated to leaving forcefields the most boring and bullshit ability ever. For every 1 thing they've done okay, they've left or ignored a bunch of issues that need to be addressed. Again, I'm not saying it's easy, but we need something rather than complete silence


Well, I'm with you on this. But any poll or thread set up asking about whether blizzard should interfer always ends with "wait longer", "let the game develop", "BW was balanced by maps", "I'm too old for changes", "this is not a Moba" (love that one, saying that SC2 is not a Moba kills every argument).
The community is getting the game they deserve and blizzard is doing an awesome job keeping it this way.


BW endured years of terran dominance before saviour showed zergs how to beat terrans in late game and in SC2 we get constantly mediocre players whine about some balance issues. That's my biggest beef with SC2
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
May 05 2015 08:22 GMT
#423
On May 05 2015 17:19 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:18 covetousrat wrote:
How long more till finals? 2hours?


5 minutes


Wow no rest and rethinking of strategy for her0?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 05 2015 08:22 GMT
#424
with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?
Zerg for Life
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
May 05 2015 08:23 GMT
#425
On May 05 2015 17:22 KelsierSC wrote:
with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?

How is this even relevant?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
May 05 2015 08:23 GMT
#426
On May 05 2015 17:21 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:16 sharkie wrote:
zergs would be losing to herO with the SH as well... Why are people balance whining?

it worked with Swarm Hosts, maybe in the next balance patch they will redesign sentries to be "more of a harass unit" if we just keep going :D



Good idea!
Worked with the SwarmHosts and design wise Sentries aren't less shitty than pre-patch Swarmhosts!
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 05 2015 08:23 GMT
#427
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm pretty interested to see how this final turns out. I'm not gonna go as far as saying I'm hyped but pleased that it's not zvz... again
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 05 2015 08:23 GMT
#428
On May 05 2015 17:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:22 KelsierSC wrote:
with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?

How is this even relevant?


It's about Korea...besides it's probably more useful than balance talk
Zerg for Life
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 05 2015 08:24 GMT
#429
Cure! He needs to do 10q10a next!

I wouldn't mind going on a night out and talk starcraft with him!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
May 05 2015 08:24 GMT
#430
On May 05 2015 17:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:16 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:14 Liquid`Ret wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:09 lichter wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ZvP right now...........

/facepalm


BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES


it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch


The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.


Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.


I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.

The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.

And yet no matter how much community outcry there is, Blizzard will continue to ignore and put aside this problem and continue to pretend that because winrates are okay the game is okay. Even with the complete and total backing of TL and the community, we can't even get them to look at or understand a different economy model. We can't get them to actually watch the game and see the problems with it. It's like the completely don't give a fuck, which I'm really thinking at this point they don't

My limited opinion on Blizzard's approach to SC2 and their games is that SC2 represents the closing chapter of their RTS past and once LotV is released they are finished with it. Sure they will release balance patches, continue supporting WCS and other tournaments and hosting Blizzcons with StarCraft, but the more I see Blizzard's approach to the game the more it seems they just don't really care too much and just want to end the series for other, more profitable or fresh games like Overwatch and continuing to release WoW expansions.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 05 2015 08:24 GMT
#431
On May 05 2015 17:21 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:19 Big J wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:13 Big J wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:09 lichter wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ZvP right now...........

/facepalm


BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES


it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch


The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.

that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.


And despite that've been completely dedicated to leaving forcefields the most boring and bullshit ability ever. For every 1 thing they've done okay, they've left or ignored a bunch of issues that need to be addressed. Again, I'm not saying it's easy, but we need something rather than complete silence


Well, I'm with you on this. But any poll or thread set up asking about whether blizzard should interfer always ends with "wait longer", "let the game develop", "BW was balanced by maps", "I'm too old for changes", "this is not a Moba" (love that one, saying that SC2 is not a Moba kills every argument).
The community is getting the game they deserve and blizzard is doing an awesome job keeping it this way.


BW endured years of terran dominance before saviour showed zergs how to beat terrans in late game and in SC2 we get constantly mediocre players whine about some balance issues. That's my biggest beef with SC2

The difference is BW wasn't in danger of dying and being out competed by other games like Sc2 is. We need the fixes now or the scene is fucked.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 05 2015 08:25 GMT
#432
On May 05 2015 17:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:22 KelsierSC wrote:
with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?

How is this even relevant?


sc2 -> korea - > hot korean girls -> plastic surgey -> hotter korean girls -> korea -> sc2
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 05 2015 08:26 GMT
#433
herO and Dark are both cuties omg
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 08:27:31
May 05 2015 08:26 GMT
#434
On May 05 2015 17:23 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:21 Big J wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:16 sharkie wrote:
zergs would be losing to herO with the SH as well... Why are people balance whining?

it worked with Swarm Hosts, maybe in the next balance patch they will redesign sentries to be "more of a harass unit" if we just keep going :D



Good idea!
Worked with the SwarmHosts and design wise Sentries aren't less shitty than pre-patch Swarmhosts!

As if. Changing sentries needs all other Protoss units to be changed aswell. Else they just go back to playing 1-base all-ins because they can't expand. Too much work.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 05 2015 08:27 GMT
#435
On May 05 2015 17:26 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
herO and Dark are both cuties omg

Dark is a cutie, herO is a former cutie who's turned into an unlikeable protoss bullshiter like the rest of them
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 05 2015 08:27 GMT
#436
On May 05 2015 17:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:26 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
herO and Dark are both cuties omg

Dark is a cutie, herO is a former cutie who's turned into an unlikeable protoss bullshiter like the rest of them

cry me a fucking river
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 05 2015 08:28 GMT
#437
On May 05 2015 17:26 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:23 Swisslink wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:21 Big J wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:16 sharkie wrote:
zergs would be losing to herO with the SH as well... Why are people balance whining?

it worked with Swarm Hosts, maybe in the next balance patch they will redesign sentries to be "more of a harass unit" if we just keep going :D



Good idea!
Worked with the SwarmHosts and design wise Sentries aren't less shitty than pre-patch Swarmhosts!

As if. Changing sentries needs all other Protoss units to be changed aswell. Else they just go back to playing 1-base all-ins because they can't expand.

I'm sure the new harass-trie is going to solve all problems. Flying forcefields to block overlords from spawning. Sounds like something that Protoss has definitely been lacking.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
May 05 2015 08:28 GMT
#438
On May 05 2015 17:13 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:09 lichter wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ZvP right now...........

/facepalm


BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES


it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch


The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.

that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.


I'd take SH back any day over the tedium we have right now with zerg
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 05 2015 08:29 GMT
#439
On May 05 2015 17:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:16 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:14 Liquid`Ret wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:09 lichter wrote:
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ZvP right now...........

/facepalm


BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES


it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch


The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.


Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.


I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.

The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.

And yet no matter how much community outcry there is, Blizzard will continue to ignore and put aside this problem and continue to pretend that because winrates are okay the game is okay. Even with the complete and total backing of TL and the community, we can't even get them to look at or understand a different economy model. We can't get them to actually watch the game and see the problems with it. It's like the completely don't give a fuck, which I'm really thinking at this point they don't


I would like anyone who criticizes the Blizzard for "not listening to the community" to take a step back and (without me predicating the results) think about the following ideas:

- who is "the community"? are there contradictory opinions among people interested in SC2? is TL.net the only SC2 community or are there other places with maybe far more users?

- is everything that the "collective mind" wants/hates this month really the correct assessment? would you like to see all the suggestions you see around the web implemented? would you like to have the game balanced based on what people cry imba most about?

I for one think Blizzard is doing a pretty great job in NOT listening to the community and almost every time they actually do something based on the common opinion, it is a disaster, largely because the "community" is made of randomly chosen people and thus mostly of idiots. I understand that some people who discuss SC2 here on TL are pretty bright in contrast and have a consistent vision of SC2, however should Blizzard listen to them, we would have moreorless BW in 3D with about a hundred of active players.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 08:30:11
May 05 2015 08:29 GMT
#440
On May 05 2015 17:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 17:26 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
herO and Dark are both cuties omg

Dark is a cutie, herO is a former cutie who's turned into an unlikeable protoss bullshiter like the rest of them

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