herO wins 3-0X! Grand Finals Dark vs herO Dark < Expedition Lost > herO Dark < Coda > herO Dark < Iron Fortress > herO Dark < Echo > herO Dark < Inferno Pools > herO Dark < Cactus Valley > herO Dark < Vaani Research Station > herO
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
45%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 1
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Dark vs Life Game 2
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
22%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
11%
★★★ - Good game (4)
44%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 2
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Dark vs Life Game 3
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (5)
31%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★ - Good game (2)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
19%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
31%
16 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 3
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Dark vs Life Game 4
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (2)
25%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
38%
8 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 4
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Dark vs Life Game 5
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (4)
50%
8 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 5
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★ - Good game (4)
22%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (12)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 1
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: herO vs ByuL Game 2
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★ - Good game (3)
43%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 2
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: herO vs ByuL Game 3
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
78%
★★★ - Good game (2)
22%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 3
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: herO vs ByuL Game 4
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★ - Good game (3)
50%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 4
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: herO vs ByuL Game 5
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 5
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
47%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
20%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
33%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
27%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
10%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
30%
★★★- Good game (4)
40%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
70%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 4?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★- Good game (4)
16%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (12)
48%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (7)
28%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 5?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 6?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
25%
★★★- Good game (3)
38%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
13%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 6?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 7?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
17%
★★★- Good game (7)
58%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 7?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Sim ID #1539 vs #1596) Biggest Winners Dark went up by 12.92%, going from 36.69% to 49.61% Soulkey went up by 10.75%, going from 42.52% to 53.27% ByuL went up by 9.63%, going from 19.51% to 29.14% Rain went up by 6.56%, going from 67.81% to 74.37% FanTaSy went up by 5.24%, going from 65.49% to 70.73% Dream went up by 5.07%, going from 80.26% to 85.34% Solar went up by 1.67%, going from 5.63% to 7.3% + Show Spoiler [More Winners] +
Petraeus went up by 0.68%, going from 4.58% to 5.26% MyuNgSiK went up by 0.65%, going from 8.34% to 8.99% FireCake went up by 0.63%, going from 3.06% to 3.69% MarineLorD went up by 0.6%, going from 5.75% to 6.36% Harstem went up by 0.42%, going from 2.66% to 3.08% MMA went up by 0.38%, going from 17.96% to 18.34% MaNa went up by 0.38%, going from 4.07% to 4.44% TRUE went up by 0.3%, going from 2.17% to 2.47% HyuN went up by 0.3%, going from 12.32% to 12.61% MajOr went up by 0.26%, going from 5.45% to 5.71% GuMiho went up by 0.24%, going from 22.33% to 22.56% GunGFuBanDa went up by 0.18%, going from 1.91% to 2.09% Ret went up by 0.14%, going from 0.58% to 0.72% StarDust went up by 0.13%, going from 2.2% to 2.33%
Biggest Losers Stats went down by 10.25%, going from 68.53% to 58.28% Bunny went down by 8.62%, going from 33.43% to 24.81% sOs went down by 6.82%, going from 26.77% to 19.96% Rogue went down by 6.02%, going from 59.96% to 53.94% Jaedong went down by 5.71%, going from 21.19% to 15.49% Dear went down by 4.09%, going from 9.95% to 5.85% Zest went down by 3.91%, going from 94.39% to 90.47% + Show Spoiler [More Losers] +
Sacsri went down by 2.25%, going from 6.83% to 4.58% Polt went down by 2.24%, going from 92.64% to 90.4% Patience went down by 1.69%, going from 2.75% to 1.06% Snute went down by 1.65%, going from 20.75% to 19.1% Terminator went down by 1.22%, going from 3.37% to 2.15% viOLet went down by 0.58%, going from 5.99% to 5.41% Lilbow went down by 0.47%, going from 7.64% to 7.17% Trap went down by 0.47%, going from 41.89% to 41.42% ForGG went down by 0.31%, going from 62.06% to 61.75% Classic went down by 0.25%, going from 10.49% to 10.24% NaNiwa went down by 0.14%, going from 0.43% to 0.28% ShoWTimE went down by 0.14%, going from 0.86% to 0.72% Hydra went down by 0.12%, going from 87.08% to 86.97%
Life vs Darkin in KeSPA Cup 1 semifinals. Life has the #1 Headband. Life is at 100% Blizzcon Chances, with a 55.47% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 100%, or 100% if they lose. Dark is at 49.61% Blizzcon Chances, with a 44.53% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 56.74%, or 43.89% if they lose.
ByuL vs herOin in KeSPA Cup 1 semifinals. ByuL has the #2 Headband. ByuL is at 29.14% Blizzcon Chances, with a 38.34% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 32.78%, or 26.87% if they lose. herO is at 100% Blizzcon Chances, with a 61.66% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 100%, or 100% if they lose.
KeSPA Cup 1 Winning Chances herO has a 34.27% chance to win ----going from 100% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they don't. Life has a 31.21% chance to win ----going from 100% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they don't. Dark has a 22.16% chance to win ----going from 49.61% to 63.46% if they get 1st, or 45.67% if they don't. ByuL has a 12.35% chance to win ----going from 29.14% to 38.12% if they get 1st, or 27.87% if they don't.
Biggest Winners Soulkey went up by 0.27%, going from 53.27% to 53.54% Rain went up by 0.25%, going from 74.36% to 74.62% Rogue went up by 0.23%, going from 53.94% to 54.17% INnoVation went up by 0.22%, going from 44.42% to 44.64% FanTaSy went up by 0.21%, going from 70.74% to 70.95% ForGG went up by 0.21%, going from 61.75% to 61.96% GuMiho went up by 0.17%, going from 22.57% to 22.73% + Show Spoiler [More Winners] +
Trap went up by 0.17%, going from 41.42% to 41.58% Dream went up by 0.16%, going from 85.34% to 85.5% Polt went up by 0.16%, going from 90.41% to 90.57% Stats went up by 0.16%, going from 58.28% to 58.44% TY went up by 0.15%, going from 16.21% to 16.36% MMA went up by 0.15%, going from 18.34% to 18.48% sOs went up by 0.14%, going from 19.95% to 20.09% Hydra went up by 0.13%, going from 86.96% to 87.09% MyuNgSiK went up by 0.11%, going from 8.99% to 9.1% Snute went up by 0.11%, going from 19.1% to 19.22% Zest went up by 0.11%, going from 90.47% to 90.58% Bbyong went up by 0.11%, going from 20.85% to 20.95% Bunny went up by 0.1%, going from 24.81% to 24.92%
Biggest Losers Dark went down by 2.63%, going from 49.62% to 46.99% ByuL went down by 2.19%, going from 29.14% to 26.95%
Biggest Winners Stats went up by 0.32%, going from 58.28% to 58.6% Soulkey went up by 0.28%, going from 53.27% to 53.55% INnoVation went up by 0.28%, going from 44.42% to 44.69% Rogue went up by 0.28%, going from 53.94% to 54.22% Dream went up by 0.26%, going from 85.34% to 85.6% FanTaSy went up by 0.26%, going from 70.74% to 70.99% Rain went up by 0.24%, going from 74.36% to 74.6% + Show Spoiler [More Winners] +
GuMiho went up by 0.22%, going from 22.57% to 22.79% Bunny went up by 0.21%, going from 24.81% to 25.02% MMA went up by 0.2%, going from 18.34% to 18.54% Bbyong went up by 0.2%, going from 20.85% to 21.05% Hydra went up by 0.19%, going from 86.96% to 87.16% ForGG went up by 0.19%, going from 61.75% to 61.94% Trap went up by 0.19%, going from 41.42% to 41.6% Snute went up by 0.19%, going from 19.1% to 19.29% Zest went up by 0.18%, going from 90.47% to 90.64% sOs went up by 0.17%, going from 19.95% to 20.12% Polt went up by 0.17%, going from 90.41% to 90.57% Jaedong went up by 0.15%, going from 15.48% to 15.63% TY went up by 0.14%, going from 16.21% to 16.35% Solar went up by 0.13%, going from 7.3% to 7.43% Classic went up by 0.11%, going from 10.24% to 10.35% soO went up by 0.1%, going from 9.47% to 9.57%
Biggest Losers Dark went down by 5.71%, going from 49.62% to 43.91% ByuL went down by 0.44%, going from 29.14% to 28.7%
Biggest Winners Dark went up by 13.84%, going from 49.62% to 63.46%
Biggest Losers ByuL went down by 1.01%, going from 29.14% to 28.13% Soulkey went down by 0.66%, going from 53.27% to 52.61% INnoVation went down by 0.61%, going from 44.42% to 43.81% Stats went down by 0.58%, going from 58.28% to 57.7% Rogue went down by 0.55%, going from 53.94% to 53.39% FanTaSy went down by 0.54%, going from 70.74% to 70.2% Rain went down by 0.53%, going from 74.36% to 73.83% + Show Spoiler [More Losers] +
Dream went down by 0.49%, going from 85.34% to 84.85% GuMiho went down by 0.47%, going from 22.57% to 22.1% ForGG went down by 0.46%, going from 61.75% to 61.28% MMA went down by 0.43%, going from 18.34% to 17.91% Trap went down by 0.43%, going from 41.42% to 40.99% Bunny went down by 0.39%, going from 24.81% to 24.43% Polt went down by 0.38%, going from 90.41% to 90.03% Hydra went down by 0.38%, going from 86.96% to 86.59% Snute went down by 0.37%, going from 19.1% to 18.73% sOs went down by 0.37%, going from 19.95% to 19.58% Bbyong went down by 0.36%, going from 20.85% to 20.49% Zest went down by 0.34%, going from 90.47% to 90.13% TY went down by 0.32%, going from 16.21% to 15.89% Jaedong went down by 0.29%, going from 15.48% to 15.19% MyuNgSiK went down by 0.25%, going from 8.99% to 8.74% Classic went down by 0.24%, going from 10.24% to 10.01% Solar went down by 0.2%, going from 7.3% to 7.1% HyuN went down by 0.19%, going from 12.61% to 12.42% soO went down by 0.19%, going from 9.47% to 9.28% Lilbow went down by 0.18%, going from 7.17% to 6.99% viOLet went down by 0.15%, going from 5.41% to 5.25% Dear went down by 0.15%, going from 5.85% to 5.7% MarineLorD went down by 0.14%, going from 6.36% to 6.22% Bomber went down by 0.13%, going from 5.77% to 5.63% MajOr went down by 0.12%, going from 5.71% to 5.59% MaSa went down by 0.12%, going from 3.94% to 3.82% Petraeus went down by 0.12%, going from 5.26% to 5.14% Sacsri went down by 0.11%, going from 4.58% to 4.48%
Biggest Winners ByuL went up by 8.99%, going from 29.14% to 38.13%
Biggest Losers Dark went down by 3.11%, going from 49.62% to 46.5% Rain went down by 0.35%, going from 74.36% to 74.01% Rogue went down by 0.33%, going from 53.94% to 53.61% FanTaSy went down by 0.28%, going from 70.74% to 70.46% Soulkey went down by 0.28%, going from 53.27% to 52.99% ForGG went down by 0.24%, going from 61.75% to 61.5% Dream went down by 0.24%, going from 85.34% to 85.09% + Show Spoiler [More Losers] +
INnoVation went down by 0.23%, going from 44.42% to 44.19% Stats went down by 0.2%, going from 58.28% to 58.08% TY went down by 0.19%, going from 16.21% to 16.02% Polt went down by 0.19%, going from 90.41% to 90.22% GuMiho went down by 0.18%, going from 22.57% to 22.39% Trap went down by 0.18%, going from 41.42% to 41.24% Hydra went down by 0.18%, going from 86.96% to 86.79% sOs went down by 0.15%, going from 19.95% to 19.8% HyuN went down by 0.15%, going from 12.61% to 12.46% Bbyong went down by 0.15%, going from 20.85% to 20.7% MMA went down by 0.14%, going from 18.34% to 18.2% Zest went down by 0.14%, going from 90.47% to 90.33% Bomber went down by 0.13%, going from 5.77% to 5.64% Solar went down by 0.13%, going from 7.3% to 7.17% Snute went down by 0.12%, going from 19.1% to 18.98% Petraeus went down by 0.12%, going from 5.26% to 5.14% Bunny went down by 0.11%, going from 24.81% to 24.7% Classic went down by 0.11%, going from 10.24% to 10.14% Jaedong went down by 0.1%, going from 15.48% to 15.38%
#1 ZvZ vs #3 ZvZ (based on aligulac)...there will be roach. Money on Life as he's shown much better offline form in ZvZ.
herO is probably the worst opponent ByuL could get aside from Life. Top-tier PvZ and he should have good insight into ByuL's style of play. The same could be said of ByuL, but I just think he's a tad more reliant on trickery in this matchup than herO is :/
I think herO has the skill to win, but I don't think he'll perform too well. Byul knows how he plays and as shown by Bbyong vs herO in IEM, herO is stubborn to stay his playstyle. Byul has a good chance of beating herO.
On May 05 2015 12:38 Brutaxilos wrote: I think herO has the skill to win, but I don't think he'll perform too well. Byul knows how he plays and as shown by Bbyong vs herO in IEM, herO is stubborn to stay his playstyle. Byul has a good chance of beating herO.
Oh fuck I though this started in an hour, not 2 from now... I might not be able to do very much of this. I'd do the whole thing if I could, but I'm at my mother's right now and if she catches me up at 5am watching Starcraft she'll literally snap my laptop in half.
On May 05 2015 15:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Can someone explain to me why both SKT and KT went from awesome uniforms to crappy ones they're wearing right now?
On May 05 2015 15:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Can someone explain to me why both SKT and KT went from awesome uniforms to crappy ones they're wearing right now?
IKR. The skt undershirt is at least alright. Shame we don't get to see it, I did see a pic on twitter of a lol player with the black version which I thought was pretty nice.
On May 05 2015 15:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Can someone explain to me why both SKT and KT went from awesome uniforms to crappy ones they're wearing right now?
i like both of them. the skt one is pretty cool i just don't think it works on dark's complexion. and kt shirt is sexy what are you talking about. makes life look good
On May 05 2015 15:17 Alucen-Will- wrote: I really think SPOTV has the best production in all of esports the more I watch.
Amazing production + Azubu stream... we're so spoiled with them :D
yep. I've watched like 30 different esports games and I can safely say nothing compares to the viewing experience that Korean tournament organizers put on
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
45%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 1
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
11%
★★★ - Good game (4)
44%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 2
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
11%
★★★ - Good game (4)
44%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 2
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★ - Good game (2)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
19%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
31%
16 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 3
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Dark vs Life Game 4
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (2)
25%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
38%
8 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 4
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Dark vs Life Game 5
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (4)
50%
8 total votes
Your vote: Dark vs Life Game 5
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
BW ZvZ isn't that much better...same volatile RPS knifefight into mutas if it gets there... it just had more micro.
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
BW ZvZ isn't that much better...same volatile RPS knifefight into mutas if it gets there... it just had more micro.
It's even worse, there's even less diversity in builds and styles in BW ZvZ
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
BW ZvZ isn't that much better...same volatile RPS knifefight into mutas if it gets there... it just had more micro.
I think this is also known as more room for you to outplay your opponent and more exciting things to watch as a viewer. Personally I like watching people actually play the game rather than the game more or less being decided by 13 supply. I'll add that as a player it's also incredibly underwhelming to play a series like this, both ZvZ and PvP.
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
BW ZvZ isn't that much better...same volatile RPS knifefight into mutas if it gets there... it just had more micro.
It's even worse, there's even less diversity in builds and styles in BW ZvZ
Pretty much. Everything is early ling play and then if it gets past that it's whoever is better with mutas wins
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
BW ZvZ isn't that much better...same volatile RPS knifefight into mutas if it gets there... it just had more micro.
It's even worse, there's even less diversity in builds and styles in BW ZvZ
Pretty much. Everything is early ling play and then if it gets past that it's whoever is better with mutas wins
Past mutas though things get wacky, cause no one really knows what to do.
On May 05 2015 15:40 Muxtar wrote: Damn cheeser. Hate Dark now -.-
don't hate the player, hate the meta and the balance. the reason he did this is because it works, and clearly, it does indeed work. it's the same poop in PvP.
Unlike BW, sc2 ZvZ and PvP are incredibly sad to watch... but hey, at least we got a finalist in 23 minutes...
BW ZvZ isn't that much better...same volatile RPS knifefight into mutas if it gets there... it just had more micro.
It's even worse, there's even less diversity in builds and styles in BW ZvZ
Pretty much. Everything is early ling play and then if it gets past that it's whoever is better with mutas wins
Past mutas though things get wacky, cause no one really knows what to do.
Past mutas, ZvZ is a pretty decent match-up. It just doesn't get there more than once in a blue moon. And also if it did happen regularly I'm not sure if the match-up would be decent.
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
Proof ?
I've been waiting for proof for something like 12 months
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
Proof ?
I've been waiting for proof for something like 12 months
are u guys really questioning 'duckk'? the savior of north american esports? really?
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
I have a winning record against the second biggest Bomer fan. That counts for something right?
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
I have a winning record against the second biggest Bomer fan. That counts for something right?
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
I have a winning record against the second biggest Bomer fan. That counts for something right?
Not even sure wintex is top 5 these days let alone second
if I had a friend and I'd buy him sc2 and have his nickname be Maru, and then beat him because he's never played an rts before, that would be glorious. But alas, I fail at the first hurdle.
On May 05 2015 16:07 stuchiu wrote: I'm never particularly sad when anyone wins. Except when Paralyze got to the ro8 THAT AFRO TRAITOR, BURN IN AFRO HELL
What if InCa came back and won GSL without making DTs
On May 05 2015 16:07 stuchiu wrote: I'm never particularly sad when anyone wins. Except when Paralyze got to the ro8 THAT AFRO TRAITOR, BURN IN AFRO HELL
recall instad of PO was a sign from god that he messed up
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
Proof ?
I've been waiting for proof for something like 12 months
are u guys really questioning 'duckk'? the savior of north american esports? really?
On May 05 2015 16:07 stuchiu wrote: I'm never particularly sad when anyone wins. Except when Paralyze got to the ro8 THAT AFRO TRAITOR, BURN IN AFRO HELL
What if InCa came back and won GSL without making DTs
I'd be obligated to kill him. I'd probably do it by drowning him in motion sensor alarms.
Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
Proof ?
I've been waiting for proof for something like 12 months
are u guys really questioning 'duckk'? the savior of north american esports? really?
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
are we polar opposites or something
Did you turn the stream off despite liking all players? <.<
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
are we polar opposites or something
Did you turn the stream off despite liking all players? <.<
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
are we polar opposites or something
Did you turn the stream off despite liking all players? <.<
i only turn the stream off when players i like are playing
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
same for me except i want to see herO slap around Dark.
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
are we polar opposites or something
Did you turn the stream off despite liking all players? <.<
i only turn the stream off when players i like are playing
Mvp stopped playing because you wouldn't watch his games
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
are we polar opposites or something
Did you turn the stream off despite liking all players? <.<
i only turn the stream off when players i like are playing
Mvp stopped playing because you wouldn't watch his games
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
are we polar opposites or something
Did you turn the stream off despite liking all players? <.<
i only turn the stream off when players i like are playing
Mvp stopped playing because you wouldn't watch his games
On May 05 2015 16:09 Elentos wrote: Ugh. Somehow I still have the stream on. Despite all players I like being out. Despite only meh matchups being possible for the finals. Not enough anti-passion to miss this I guess.
are we polar opposites or something
Did you turn the stream off despite liking all players? <.<
i only turn the stream off when players i like are playing
Mvp stopped playing because you wouldn't watch his games
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★ - Good game (4)
22%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (12)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 1
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?
On May 05 2015 16:27 Elentos wrote: At least herO is smart enough to realise that going into colossus from this composition is silly.
It's not, but it is just not necessary without swarm hosts and templar are just way better.
I don't like it. It's much slower and even more vulnerable to vipers which generally come at some point. Colossi, that is.
yeah, Templar are just better. But Colossi aren't bad either. Not sure about slower. Colossi are usually earlier than storm and more mobile than templar.
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote: So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?
How do other Zergs deal with it?
You have to be significantly better than your opponent and get infestors. It's the only way I've really seen.
It's kind of funny how we've almost seen Protoss players in Korea become more and more aggressive in almost all matchups with the new "kill the colussus" strats from Terrans. There is such a fundamental vulnerability in having your damage output in one unit and a lot of the players are starting to really appreciate.
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote: Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.
Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say
ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.
Proof ?
I've been waiting for proof for something like 12 months
are u guys really questioning 'duckk'? the savior of north american esports? really?
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote: So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?
On May 05 2015 16:27 Elentos wrote: At least herO is smart enough to realise that going into colossus from this composition is silly.
It's not, but it is just not necessary without swarm hosts and templar are just way better.
I don't like it. It's much slower and even more vulnerable to vipers which generally come at some point. Colossi, that is.
yeah, Templar are just better. But Colossi aren't bad either. Not sure about slower. Colossi are usually earlier than storm and more mobile than templar.
I meant that if you're already into +2 blink but also have a robo, templar tech is faster. Templar archives build faster than the robo bay, storm research is faster than colossus range and warping in a templar and waiting for a storm is faster than building a colossus.
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote: So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?
How do other Zergs deal with it?
Roach/hydra/queen/BL
Roach/hydra/queen/infestor/viper
Surprise muta base trade.
Or Coin flip them out.
So you aim to abuse the early economic lead to get the Roach Hydra numbers up and slow down Protoss as much as possible using Roaches, Burrow and possibly some Mutas. You rapidly tech up to Hive and gauge whether you have time for a BL transition or you need the faster Vipers out. Take an engagement in a massive concave and (literally) blinding cloud half the Protoss army to compensate for Psionic Storm.
Just a small little idea, what about including a 'Silence' to Fungal Growth? Zerg is the only race without anti-spellcaster abilities.
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote: So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?
How do other Zergs deal with it?
Roach/hydra/queen/BL
Roach/hydra/queen/infestor/viper
Surprise muta base trade.
Or Coin flip them out.
So you aim to abuse the early economic lead to get the Roach Hydra numbers up and slow down Protoss as much as possible using Roaches, Burrow and possibly some Mutas. You rapidly tech up to Hive and gauge whether you have time for a BL transition or you need the faster Vipers out. Take an engagement in a massive concave and (literally) blinding cloud half the Protoss army to compensate for Psionic Storm.
Just a small little idea, what about including a 'Silence' to Fungal Growth? Zerg is the only race without anti-spellcaster abilities.
its been a month, dont think there is a point to balance anything until at least a few permiers have run through. And Zerg has been doing better than before the patch overal*.
On May 05 2015 16:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote: is this scarlett vs drg
yes but it's an actual protoss player so it sucks
Poll: herO vs ByuL Game 2
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★ - Good game (3)
43%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 2
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote: So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?
How do other Zergs deal with it?
Roach/hydra/queen/BL
Roach/hydra/queen/infestor/viper
Surprise muta base trade.
Or Coin flip them out.
So you aim to abuse the early economic lead to get the Roach Hydra numbers up and slow down Protoss as much as possible using Roaches, Burrow and possibly some Mutas. You rapidly tech up to Hive and gauge whether you have time for a BL transition or you need the faster Vipers out. Take an engagement in a massive concave and (literally) blinding cloud half the Protoss army to compensate for Psionic Storm.
Just a small little idea, what about including a 'Silence' to Fungal Growth? Zerg is the only race without anti-spellcaster abilities.
its been a month, dont think there is a point to balance anything until at least a few permiers have run through. And Zerg has been doing better than before the patch overal*.
I agree with you, just throwing it up as something to consider and think about for a bit
On May 05 2015 16:49 zestzorb wrote: Just woke up and Life 0-3'd?
What are BOs in those games?
10 pool vs 15 hatch. pretty much all BO losses.
10 bane vs 15 hatch isn't a bo win.
hello TLO
hello not-Leenock
rewatched that game. hyvaa just fucked up. He could have killed all zerglings when they spawned, but he was not on top of it because his banelings only barely reached that location, because he morphed them too far away.
On May 05 2015 16:49 zestzorb wrote: Just woke up and Life 0-3'd?
What are BOs in those games?
10 pool vs 15 hatch. pretty much all BO losses.
10 bane vs 15 hatch isn't a bo win.
hello TLO
hello not-Leenock
rewatched that game. hyvaa just fucked up. He could have killed all zerglings when they spawned, but he was not on top of it because his banelings only barely reached that location, because he morphed them too far away.
I don't think Leenock has ever lost to 10pool bane and he either does 15hatch 16gas 15pool or a 9pool/10pool bane. I guess it has to be every player fucking up?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
78%
★★★ - Good game (2)
22%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 3
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: herO vs ByuL Game 4
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★ - Good game (3)
50%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 4
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: herO vs ByuL Game 5
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: herO vs ByuL Game 5
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 05 2015 16:49 zestzorb wrote: Just woke up and Life 0-3'd?
What are BOs in those games?
10 pool vs 15 hatch. pretty much all BO losses.
10 bane vs 15 hatch isn't a bo win.
hello TLO
hello not-Leenock
rewatched that game. hyvaa just fucked up. He could have killed all zerglings when they spawned, but he was not on top of it because his banelings only barely reached that location, because he morphed them too far away.
I don't think Leenock has ever lost to 10pool bane and he either does 15hatch 16gas 15pool or a 9pool/10pool bane. I guess it has to be every player fucking up?
On May 05 2015 16:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I used to like herO, he's a cutie and all. But this series... god I cant like anyone who plays Protoss.
even as a protoss player i feel bad for the zergs. i obviously suck and can't control my army properly but in the hands of someone like PartinG or herO this matchup seems broken.
to be fair this happens after all balance patches, zergs will learn again. but herO is actually so good that it doesn't really make much of a difference
On May 05 2015 16:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I used to like herO, he's a cutie and all. But this series... god I cant like anyone who plays Protoss.
even as a protoss player i feel bad for the zergs. i obviously suck and can't control my army properly but in the hands of someone like PartinG or herO this matchup seems broken.
it's completely broken. we've been saying this for years and the best we've gotten is "they can be baited out"
On May 05 2015 17:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote: to be fair this happens after all balance patches, zergs will learn again. but herO is actually so good that it doesn't really make much of a difference
lol it's not like this game would have been any different with SH
On May 05 2015 17:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote: to be fair this happens after all balance patches, zergs will learn again. but herO is actually so good that it doesn't really make much of a difference
lol it's not like this game would have been any different with SH
On May 05 2015 16:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I used to like herO, he's a cutie and all. But this series... god I cant like anyone who plays Protoss.
even as a protoss player i feel bad for the zergs. i obviously suck and can't control my army properly but in the hands of someone like PartinG or herO this matchup seems broken.
it's completely broken. we've been saying this for years and the best we've gotten is "they can be baited out"
yeah that's why both herO and PartinG won GSL over Life
On May 05 2015 17:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote: to be fair this happens after all balance patches, zergs will learn again. but herO is actually so good that it doesn't really make much of a difference
Why should only zergs learn, and terrans or protosss not? Why they can just pu forcefields or turtle into 200/200 deathballs and a-move win?
On May 05 2015 16:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I used to like herO, he's a cutie and all. But this series... god I cant like anyone who plays Protoss.
even as a protoss player i feel bad for the zergs. i obviously suck and can't control my army properly but in the hands of someone like PartinG or herO this matchup seems broken.
it's completely broken. we've been saying this for years and the best we've gotten is "they can be baited out"
"We don't see forcefields as a limiting factor." - David Kim regarding protoss design.
Like wtf? :D
I'm not saying protoss is imbalanced, just that forcefields make for crappy games
On May 05 2015 16:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I used to like herO, he's a cutie and all. But this series... god I cant like anyone who plays Protoss.
even as a protoss player i feel bad for the zergs. i obviously suck and can't control my army properly but in the hands of someone like PartinG or herO this matchup seems broken.
it's completely broken. we've been saying this for years and the best we've gotten is "they can be baited out"
"We don't see forcefields as a limiting factor." - David Kim regarding protoss design.
Like wtf? :D
I'm not saying protoss is imbalanced, just that forcefields make for crappy games
I wouldn't take anything that David Kim says seriously.
He is just living in denial and regret, so I'll just feel bad for him rather than be mean.
On May 05 2015 17:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote: to be fair this happens after all balance patches, zergs will learn again. but herO is actually so good that it doesn't really make much of a difference
Why should only zergs learn, and terrans or protosss not? Why they can just pu forcefields or turtle into 200/200 deathballs and a-move win?
i guess you could use your ban time to find out ^_^
On May 05 2015 17:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote: to be fair this happens after all balance patches, zergs will learn again. but herO is actually so good that it doesn't really make much of a difference
Why should only zergs learn, and terrans or protosss not? Why they can just pu forcefields or turtle into 200/200 deathballs and a-move win?
who cares tbh
go go Dark!
Hoping for an epic final, for some reason I feel that Dark has less than awesome ZvP but that might be because his ZvT is so high level
On May 05 2015 16:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I used to like herO, he's a cutie and all. But this series... god I cant like anyone who plays Protoss.
even as a protoss player i feel bad for the zergs. i obviously suck and can't control my army properly but in the hands of someone like PartinG or herO this matchup seems broken.
it's completely broken. we've been saying this for years and the best we've gotten is "they can be baited out"
yeah that's why both herO and PartinG won GSL over Life
To be fair - top 1 Zerg should be able to beat top 1 and 2 Protoss and vice versa.
I love Dark and he is one of my favourite players but I feel like his ZvP isn't amazing and I think hero's PvZ is very good so it's a bit of a mismatch really.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
In some future universe the people's will buy the IP rights to starcraft and I will die a happy happy man.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.
And despite that've been completely dedicated to leaving forcefields the most boring and bullshit ability ever. For every 1 thing they've done okay, they've left or ignored a bunch of issues that need to be addressed. Again, I'm not saying it's easy, but we need something rather than complete silence
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.
The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.
The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.
People don't want to see more Overgrowth, unfortunately. Catallena, MGR and Nimbus aren't shining examples of balanced maps either tbh.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.
And despite that've been completely dedicated to leaving forcefields the most boring and bullshit ability ever. For every 1 thing they've done okay, they've left or ignored a bunch of issues that need to be addressed. Again, I'm not saying it's easy, but we need something rather than complete silence
Well, I'm with you on this. But any poll or thread set up asking about whether blizzard should interfer always ends with "wait longer", "let the game develop", "BW was balanced by maps", "I'm too old for changes", "this is not a Moba" (love that one, saying that SC2 is not a Moba kills every argument). The community is getting the game they deserve and blizzard is doing an awesome job keeping it this way.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.
The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.
And yet no matter how much community outcry there is, Blizzard will continue to ignore and put aside this problem and continue to pretend that because winrates are okay the game is okay. Even with the complete and total backing of TL and the community, we can't even get them to look at or understand a different economy model. We can't get them to actually watch the game and see the problems with it. It's like the completely don't give a fuck, which I'm really thinking at this point they don't
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
Blizzard and the community seem to be talking in two different directions. The community has rallied for so many fixes to the inherent design of the game like deathballing, three base capped economies, boring unit interactions, more social aspects to the client, map pools, etc. Then for LotV they emphasize more micro through adding in more abilities and spells which was not needed nor requested and still seem very reluctant to really fix the previously mentioned flaws to the game.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.
The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.
People don't want to see more Overgrowth, unfortunately. Catallena, MGR and Nimbus aren't shining examples of balanced maps either tbh.
Merry Go Round is a pretty good map (unless you're a Protoss player :d)
King Sejong and Overgrowth should be int he map pool for a long time IMO, particularly KSS. But sadly people have a low attention span
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.
And despite that've been completely dedicated to leaving forcefields the most boring and bullshit ability ever. For every 1 thing they've done okay, they've left or ignored a bunch of issues that need to be addressed. Again, I'm not saying it's easy, but we need something rather than complete silence
Well, I'm with you on this. But any poll or thread set up asking about whether blizzard should interfer always ends with "wait longer", "let the game develop", "BW was balanced by maps", "I'm too old for changes", "this is not a Moba" (love that one, saying that SC2 is not a Moba kills every argument). The community is getting the game they deserve and blizzard is doing an awesome job keeping it this way.
BW endured years of terran dominance before saviour showed zergs how to beat terrans in late game and in SC2 we get constantly mediocre players whine about some balance issues. That's my biggest beef with SC2
with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?
On May 05 2015 17:22 KelsierSC wrote: with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm pretty interested to see how this final turns out. I'm not gonna go as far as saying I'm hyped but pleased that it's not zvz... again
On May 05 2015 17:22 KelsierSC wrote: with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?
How is this even relevant?
It's about Korea...besides it's probably more useful than balance talk
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.
The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.
And yet no matter how much community outcry there is, Blizzard will continue to ignore and put aside this problem and continue to pretend that because winrates are okay the game is okay. Even with the complete and total backing of TL and the community, we can't even get them to look at or understand a different economy model. We can't get them to actually watch the game and see the problems with it. It's like the completely don't give a fuck, which I'm really thinking at this point they don't
My limited opinion on Blizzard's approach to SC2 and their games is that SC2 represents the closing chapter of their RTS past and once LotV is released they are finished with it. Sure they will release balance patches, continue supporting WCS and other tournaments and hosting Blizzcons with StarCraft, but the more I see Blizzard's approach to the game the more it seems they just don't really care too much and just want to end the series for other, more profitable or fresh games like Overwatch and continuing to release WoW expansions.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.
And despite that've been completely dedicated to leaving forcefields the most boring and bullshit ability ever. For every 1 thing they've done okay, they've left or ignored a bunch of issues that need to be addressed. Again, I'm not saying it's easy, but we need something rather than complete silence
Well, I'm with you on this. But any poll or thread set up asking about whether blizzard should interfer always ends with "wait longer", "let the game develop", "BW was balanced by maps", "I'm too old for changes", "this is not a Moba" (love that one, saying that SC2 is not a Moba kills every argument). The community is getting the game they deserve and blizzard is doing an awesome job keeping it this way.
BW endured years of terran dominance before saviour showed zergs how to beat terrans in late game and in SC2 we get constantly mediocre players whine about some balance issues. That's my biggest beef with SC2
The difference is BW wasn't in danger of dying and being out competed by other games like Sc2 is. We need the fixes now or the scene is fucked.
On May 05 2015 17:22 KelsierSC wrote: with women in South Korea getting lots of plastic surgery , how common are breast implants? It's fairly common in the west but in Korea do they mostly get surgery done on their face and that's it?
How is this even relevant?
sc2 -> korea - > hot korean girls -> plastic surgey -> hotter korean girls -> korea -> sc2
On May 05 2015 17:16 sharkie wrote: zergs would be losing to herO with the SH as well... Why are people balance whining?
it worked with Swarm Hosts, maybe in the next balance patch they will redesign sentries to be "more of a harass unit" if we just keep going :D
Good idea! Worked with the SwarmHosts and design wise Sentries aren't less shitty than pre-patch Swarmhosts!
As if. Changing sentries needs all other Protoss units to be changed aswell. Else they just go back to playing 1-base all-ins because they can't expand. Too much work.
On May 05 2015 17:16 sharkie wrote: zergs would be losing to herO with the SH as well... Why are people balance whining?
it worked with Swarm Hosts, maybe in the next balance patch they will redesign sentries to be "more of a harass unit" if we just keep going :D
Good idea! Worked with the SwarmHosts and design wise Sentries aren't less shitty than pre-patch Swarmhosts!
As if. Changing sentries needs all other Protoss units to be changed aswell. Else they just go back to playing 1-base all-ins because they can't expand.
I'm sure the new harass-trie is going to solve all problems. Flying forcefields to block overlords from spawning. Sounds like something that Protoss has definitely been lacking.
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
that's not true. They nerfed mines because of that and buffed tanks+merged mech upgrades. They removed Swarm Hosts because of that. They gave the one or other unit they wanted to see more of a slight buff.
I'd take SH back any day over the tedium we have right now with zerg
On May 05 2015 17:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ZvP right now...........
/facepalm
BUT WAIT A ZERG WON GFINITY... AND LIFE BEAT TERMINATOR AND SOULKEY BEAT PARTING WITH PROXY HATCHES
it isnt so much the winrates, but the matchup has become pretty stale. blink all day long sucks to watch
The problem is Blizzard seems to literally only look at winrates, they don't seem to ever look at how the wins come. I'm not saying it's an easy job, but they've screwed the pooch over and over again when it comes to breaking stale meta.
Yeah, that's precisely the problem. Deeper issues are with the game, unit compositions, and balance, are invisible to them.
I don't typically agree with you, but this is obviously true.
The biggest issue with the game is the fundamental design with the Protoss race, which is essentially impossible to change at this point. At the current moment in time they need to pay more attention to ladder maps (which are utter dogshit atm. s3 2014 was the best map pool we have seen in sc2) and giving Zerg something to deal better with Protoss/Mech armies in the late game.
And yet no matter how much community outcry there is, Blizzard will continue to ignore and put aside this problem and continue to pretend that because winrates are okay the game is okay. Even with the complete and total backing of TL and the community, we can't even get them to look at or understand a different economy model. We can't get them to actually watch the game and see the problems with it. It's like the completely don't give a fuck, which I'm really thinking at this point they don't
I would like anyone who criticizes the Blizzard for "not listening to the community" to take a step back and (without me predicating the results) think about the following ideas:
- who is "the community"? are there contradictory opinions among people interested in SC2? is TL.net the only SC2 community or are there other places with maybe far more users?
- is everything that the "collective mind" wants/hates this month really the correct assessment? would you like to see all the suggestions you see around the web implemented? would you like to have the game balanced based on what people cry imba most about?
I for one think Blizzard is doing a pretty great job in NOT listening to the community and almost every time they actually do something based on the common opinion, it is a disaster, largely because the "community" is made of randomly chosen people and thus mostly of idiots. I understand that some people who discuss SC2 here on TL are pretty bright in contrast and have a consistent vision of SC2, however should Blizzard listen to them, we would have moreorless BW in 3D with about a hundred of active players.
On May 05 2015 17:16 sharkie wrote: zergs would be losing to herO with the SH as well... Why are people balance whining?
it worked with Swarm Hosts, maybe in the next balance patch they will redesign sentries to be "more of a harass unit" if we just keep going :D
Good idea! Worked with the SwarmHosts and design wise Sentries aren't less shitty than pre-patch Swarmhosts!
As if. Changing sentries needs all other Protoss units to be changed aswell. Else they just go back to playing 1-base all-ins because they can't expand.
I'm sure the new harass-trie is going to solve all problems. Flying forcefields to block overlords from spawning. Sounds like something that Protoss has definitely been lacking.
Or some HotS-Alpha-Oracle-like mineral forcefields would do the job for sure.
Lorning, or however, you're in charge. I'm going to bed, out of A. Fear of balance whining more and getting a ban and B. Fear of a mother who'll beat with me with a sack doorknobs if she catches me up this late watching Starcraft
On May 05 2015 17:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Lorning, or however, you're in charge. I'm going to bed, out of A. Fear of balance whining more and getting a ban and B. Fear of a mother who'll beat with me with a sack doorknobs if she catches me up this late watching Starcraft
On May 05 2015 17:39 DJHelium wrote: Korean messioso might be the best thing of the entire Kespa cup
Korea is so awesome with things like that.
"Ah, a guy with a headset! We need that!" "Ah, ladder map pool! We need that!"
"Ah, Inferno Pools. Why do we have that?"
It's such a joke how hard KeSPA and Gom try and yet blizzard just does not care at all. What are they doing with their time? like seriously Inferno Pools is the type of map you would have seen in the pre-alpha of WC1 in 1993
On May 05 2015 17:39 DJHelium wrote: Korean messioso might be the best thing of the entire Kespa cup
Korea is so awesome with things like that.
"Ah, a guy with a headset! We need that!" "Ah, ladder map pool! We need that!"
"Ah, Inferno Pools. Why do we have that?"
It's such a joke how hard KeSPA and Gom try and yet blizzard just does not care at all. What are they doing with their time? like seriously Inferno Pools is the type of map you would have seen in the pre-alpha of WC1 in 1993
"like seriously Inferno Pools is the type of map you would have seen in the pre-alpha of WC1 in 1993"
Might the best description of that map i've ever heard
On May 05 2015 17:39 DJHelium wrote: Korean messioso might be the best thing of the entire Kespa cup
Korea is so awesome with things like that.
"Ah, a guy with a headset! We need that!" "Ah, ladder map pool! We need that!"
"Ah, Inferno Pools. Why do we have that?"
It's such a joke how hard KeSPA and Gom try and yet blizzard just does not care at all. What are they doing with their time? like seriously Inferno Pools is the type of map you would have seen in the pre-alpha of WC1 in 1993
"like seriously Inferno Pools is the type of map you would have seen in the pre-alpha of WC1 in 1993"
Might the best description of that map i've ever heard
Inferno Pools is the most elaborate April fools joke and will only be removed from the ladder pool April 2nd, 2016.
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On May 05 2015 17:53 sharkie wrote: Dark droned too heavily.
Why does someone build so many drones when he sees such a fast robo?
It's Dark, he is a mechanical player who consistently makes bad decisions yet gets massive praise from fanboys for build order wins and favorable map and meta conditions.
On May 05 2015 17:53 sharkie wrote: Dark droned too heavily.
Why does someone build so many drones when he sees such a fast robo?
It's Dark, he is a mechanical player who consistently makes bad decisions yet gets massive praise from fanboys for build order wins and favorable map and meta conditions.
On May 05 2015 17:53 sharkie wrote: Dark droned too heavily.
Why does someone build so many drones when he sees such a fast robo?
It's Dark, he is a mechanical player who consistently makes bad decisions yet gets massive praise from fanboys for build order wins and favorable map and meta conditions.
On May 05 2015 17:53 sharkie wrote: Dark droned too heavily.
Why does someone build so many drones when he sees such a fast robo?
It's Dark, he is a mechanical player who consistently makes bad decisions yet gets massive praise from fanboys for build order wins and favorable map and meta conditions.
On May 05 2015 17:53 sharkie wrote: Dark droned too heavily.
Why does someone build so many drones when he sees such a fast robo?
It's Dark, he is a mechanical player who consistently makes bad decisions yet gets massive praise from fanboys for build order wins and favorable map and meta conditions.
ok we get it, you don't like Dark
it's just the fear. Fear of the Dark, I have a constant fear that something is always near. Fear of the Dark, I have a phobia that someone's always there!
Hmm, thinking about it, I don't think Dark has this selected in Proleague. WHY?!
On May 05 2015 17:53 sharkie wrote: Dark droned too heavily.
Why does someone build so many drones when he sees such a fast robo?
It's Dark, he is a mechanical player who consistently makes bad decisions yet gets massive praise from fanboys for build order wins and favorable map and meta conditions.
ok we get it, you don't like Dark
it's just the fear. Fear of the Dark, I have a constant fear that something is always near. Fear of the Dark, I have a phobia that someone's always there!
Hmm, thinking about it, I don't think Dark has this selected in Proleague. WHY?!
On May 05 2015 17:53 sharkie wrote: Dark droned too heavily.
Why does someone build so many drones when he sees such a fast robo?
It's Dark, he is a mechanical player who consistently makes bad decisions yet gets massive praise from fanboys for build order wins and favorable map and meta conditions.
Alright that's just way too wrong for me
I'm out
my reference to meta conditions is against Terran, not Protoss obviously.
And I'm right about his terrible decision making..Have you seen the fights he takes off creep and his build orders against Protoss?
I'd hate herO so much if he wasn't my favourite player. Not only in this tournament but he is like the second coming of MC. Cheeses so much but when he goes macro he will stomp you as well
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On May 05 2015 18:08 Schelim wrote: damn full tilt including BM pause
4-0 incoming
hello Wolf
you take that back! at least call me Moonglade or something
but it's a really nice excuse as to why Dark will lose when in reality Protoss is just OP errr i mean, Hero is just the better player
herO and Zest are the two protoss who constantly beat zerg in late game as well The only times they lost to zerg was actually zerg building units early mid game and overwhelm them.
On May 05 2015 18:09 KelsierSC wrote: skipping MSC and going robo,blink, DT on 2 base will make any all in super powerful
I have to try this on ladder It will be a horrible loss but fun things require sacrifices.
I feel like unless you are ridiculously precise with your build order it won't be worth it, that 100 gas is only 15-20 seconds of gas mining that you advance your build by.
On May 05 2015 18:08 Schelim wrote: damn full tilt including BM pause
4-0 incoming
hello Wolf
you take that back! at least call me Moonglade or something
but it's a really nice excuse as to why Dark will lose when in reality Protoss is just OP errr i mean, Hero is just the better player
herO and Zest are the two protoss who constantly beat zerg in late game as well The only times they lost to zerg was actually zerg building units early mid game and overwhelm them.
On May 05 2015 18:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: it's also worth mentioning how weird it is to have more than 1 or 2 zergs surviving the first round and actually doing well in this tournament
In this and gfinity ro8 was like more than 60% zergs and in the ro4 almost exclusively z if you're implying z is up you came at the wrong time m9
On May 05 2015 18:19 digmouse wrote: I think the news might be what I thought. But it doesn't make a lot of sense so I would still say probably something else.
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I really like 2 base play on that map for Protoss players, Its odd to me that so many have tried to macro 3+ base play against Zergs who have always tried to cancel that third base.
I think herO got caught off guard by the fact that Dark would be so aggressive off 2 base
this map is bullshit for pvz anyway so the loss is fine i guess still not sure why he cancelled that cannon, maybe he thought if an attack were to come it would hit earlier?
On May 05 2015 18:39 thecrazymunchkin wrote: Actually, it might just be dodgy wording; given that he's still wearing the acer hoodie it might just be a partnership
When he says join he generally means join. He probably didn't have an up-to-date picture.
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On May 05 2015 18:41 Alucen-Will- wrote: Props to Dark, his ZvP has improved drastically
Not really. It's where it pretty much always is. herO is getting worse.
He played much better in that game. I'm just trying to be a bit friendly because a lot of people hate me on these boards for expressing disapproval on Dark's decision making in previous series.
On May 05 2015 18:41 Alucen-Will- wrote: Props to Dark, his ZvP has improved drastically
Not really. It's where it pretty much always is. herO is getting worse.
He played much better in that game. I'm just trying to be a bit friendly because a lot of people hate me on these boards for expressing disapproval on Dark's decision making in previous series.
It's just that Dark's ZvP is unstable and he is making bad decisions one game then play great in the next, unlike ZvT where he is just too good most of the time.
On May 05 2015 18:41 Alucen-Will- wrote: Props to Dark, his ZvP has improved drastically
Not really. It's where it pretty much always is. herO is getting worse.
He played much better in that game. I'm just trying to be a bit friendly because a lot of people hate me on these boards for expressing disapproval on Dark's decision making in previous series.
It's just that Dark's ZvP is unstable and he is making bad decisions one game then play great in the next, unlike ZvT where he is just too good most of the time.
To be honest, he makes a lot of bad decisions in ZvT, too. It's just that the match up is mostly mechanically focused (and dark has absolutely fantastic mechanics) that it hides a lot of the bad fights he takes.
On May 05 2015 18:41 Alucen-Will- wrote: Props to Dark, his ZvP has improved drastically
Not really. It's where it pretty much always is. herO is getting worse.
He played much better in that game. I'm just trying to be a bit friendly because a lot of people hate me on these boards for expressing disapproval on Dark's decision making in previous series.
It's just that Dark's ZvP is unstable and he is making bad decisions one game then play great in the next, unlike ZvT where he is just too good most of the time.
To be honest, he makes a lot of bad decisions in ZvT, too. It's just that the match up is mostly mechanically focused (and dark has absolutely fantastic mechanics) that it hides a lot of the bad fights he takes.
On May 05 2015 18:44 Caihead wrote: herO should just play standard into the late game, all the more reason to now since there's no swarmhost threat.
Roach/Hydra/Viper makes it kinda hard though... I've seen a lot of Protoss dying to that lately while trying to go for the lategame. The last game is a great example why Protoss tend to All-In before Zerg gets to that composition in the recent times.
On May 05 2015 18:41 Alucen-Will- wrote: Props to Dark, his ZvP has improved drastically
Not really. It's where it pretty much always is. herO is getting worse.
He played much better in that game. I'm just trying to be a bit friendly because a lot of people hate me on these boards for expressing disapproval on Dark's decision making in previous series.
It's just that Dark's ZvP is unstable and he is making bad decisions one game then play great in the next, unlike ZvT where he is just too good most of the time.
To be honest, he makes a lot of bad decisions in ZvT, too. It's just that the match up is mostly mechanically focused (and dark has absolutely fantastic mechanics) that it hides a lot of the bad fights he takes.
Nah, you are exaggerating it a lot. He takes bad fights from time to time in ZvT, if he made a lot of bad decisions he would have been rolled over every single time. ZvP is another story though.
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That composition simply can't do much without Vipers pass the mid game. Don't really know what was Dark trying to do, every single engagement wasn't cost-effective at all.
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On May 05 2015 19:08 Ramiz1989 wrote: That composition simply can't do much without Vipers pass the mid game. Don't really know what was Dark trying to do, every single engagement wasn't cost-effective at all.
Yeah its very tough in the macro game .. I still do enjoy the creativity with denying the island expansion with overlord drops. It just feels as if herO is a better overall macro player.
On May 05 2015 19:08 Caihead wrote: herO won and has like 4 people in his booth while Dark is just being by himself composed.
herO is on matchpoint, Dark has nothing to lose, herO can lose everything
Yes he has. The finals.
I like to compare such a situation in the final between Federer and Djokovic. Federer was on match or vital break point and Djokovic only had one option remaining. He went for a wtf impossible shot that would never work in 99/100 times and prevented Federer to win.
In such a situation he loses either with the wtf shot or to normal play. It doesnt matter. I think close to winning is a much higher pressure situation than close to losing in a final
On May 05 2015 19:08 Caihead wrote: herO won and has like 4 people in his booth while Dark is just being by himself composed.
herO is on matchpoint, Dark has nothing to lose, herO can lose everything
Yes he has. The finals.
I like to compare such a situation in the final between Federer and Djokovic. Federer was on match or vital break point and Djokovic only had one option remaining. He went for a wtf impossible shot that would never work in 99/100 times and prevented Federer to win.
In such a situation he loses either with the wtf shot or to normal play. It doesnt matter. I think close to winning is a much higher pressure situation than close to losing in a final
That also depends on the player. Life usually plays way more seriously when he's down and his opponent is on match point, while other players like sOs can cruise to victory.
On May 05 2015 19:08 Caihead wrote: herO won and has like 4 people in his booth while Dark is just being by himself composed.
herO is on matchpoint, Dark has nothing to lose, herO can lose everything
Yes he has. The finals.
I like to compare such a situation in the final between Federer and Djokovic. Federer was on match or vital break point and Djokovic only had one option remaining. He went for a wtf impossible shot that would never work in 99/100 times and prevented Federer to win.
In such a situation he loses either with the wtf shot or to normal play. It doesnt matter. I think close to winning is a much higher pressure situation than close to losing in a final
Isn't the player doing a desperation play by definition the more desperate player, i.e. in a higher pressure situation.
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Typo^
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On May 05 2015 19:47 CruelZeratul wrote: 9k well earned. Didn't know that the pricepool was this small. Great games, but sadly they don't get paid a lot for it.
This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
On May 05 2015 19:47 CruelZeratul wrote: 9k well earned. Didn't know that the pricepool was this small. Great games, but sadly they don't get paid a lot for it.
It's still good for players in Korea though to have 3 individual leagues. Not the best but it helps players in Korea who deserve much more for their skill.
On May 05 2015 19:47 CruelZeratul wrote: 9k well earned. Didn't know that the pricepool was this small. Great games, but sadly they don't get paid a lot for it.
kespa team salaries make up for that
Yeah, and winning a tournament like this for herO is a big deal because of all the pressure on his shoulders
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
On May 05 2015 19:47 CruelZeratul wrote: 9k well earned. Didn't know that the pricepool was this small. Great games, but sadly they don't get paid a lot for it.
Whoa you're right. herO got more for winning San Jose than he did for this
On May 05 2015 19:47 CruelZeratul wrote: 9k well earned. Didn't know that the pricepool was this small. Great games, but sadly they don't get paid a lot for it.
Whoa you're right. herO got more for winning San Jose than he did for this
he got more from losing to zest last year than winning this year. more wcs points too
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO loves zergs going for SH style...
I have seen some hero vs SH games where he beat them with pure gateway using mobility on huge maps like Nimbus cross where the Zerg is not supposed to go SH in the first place. But on Vaani, good luck with that.
On May 05 2015 20:06 OtherWorld wrote: herOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YEAH ((: Damn and he enforced the SKT Zerg curse too, so good such a god How in hell did Dark beat Life 3-0 though?
10-pool bane vs hatch/gas/pool on 4-p map failed ling all-in by Life 10-pool bane vs hatch/gas/pool on 4-p map
On May 05 2015 20:06 OtherWorld wrote: herOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YEAH ((: Damn and he enforced the SKT Zerg curse too, so good such a god How in hell did Dark beat Life 3-0 though?
10-pool bane vs hatch/gas/pool on 4-p map failed ling all-in by Life 10-pool bane vs hatch/gas/pool on 4-p map
23 minutes.
Wow No roaches then, terrible noskill ZvZ. Not surprised Life didn't win then.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
On May 05 2015 20:06 OtherWorld wrote: herOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YEAH ((: Damn and he enforced the SKT Zerg curse too, so good such a god How in hell did Dark beat Life 3-0 though?
10-pool bane vs hatch/gas/pool on 4-p map failed ling all-in by Life 10-pool bane vs hatch/gas/pool on 4-p map
On May 05 2015 21:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life not taking this proves again that it's just silly to call him THE best player in the world
Being the best in the world does not mean he has to win every tournament.
True. There obviously is still some variance even if you are the absolute best, but it's not like this is the only indication. Life did only ok in proleague and his match vs Terminator was close as well (at least score wise, didn't watch it). He obviously is one of the best, but for THE best there is somethign missing. I will be very surprised if he actually wins GSL/SSL, not because he cannot do it, but because there are enough other players who are a legit threat for him.
On May 05 2015 21:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life not taking this proves again that it's just silly to call him THE best player in the world
Last few really big Tournaments (Korean tournaments + Blizzcon): -> Blizzcon: 1st -> GSL: 1st -> SSL: Ro4 -> Kespa Cup: Ro4 Nobody comes even close to that. He kinda failed at IEM, but that's the only rather poor showing he's had in quite some time.
On May 05 2015 21:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life not taking this proves again that it's just silly to call him THE best player in the world
Last few really big Tournaments (Korean tournaments + Blizzcon): -> Blizzcon: 1st -> GSL: 1st -> SSL: Ro4 -> Kespa Cup: Ro4 Nobody comes even close to that. He kinda failed at IEM, but that's the only rather poor showing he's had in quite some time.
Proleague was rather poor as well. But yeah sure it's actually a good point. His results were extremely good in the last tournaments. I guess my expectations for "the best player" are even higher though :D
On May 05 2015 21:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life not taking this proves again that it's just silly to call him THE best player in the world
Last few really big Tournaments (Korean tournaments + Blizzcon): -> Blizzcon: 1st -> GSL: 1st -> SSL: Ro4 -> Kespa Cup: Ro4 Nobody comes even close to that. He kinda failed at IEM, but that's the only rather poor showing he's had in quite some time.
Proleague was rather poor as well. But yeah sure it's actually a good point. His results were extremely good in the last tournaments. I guess my expectations for "the best player" are even higher though :D
I think of each player's skill as a Gaussian distribution, the player with the skill distribution with the highest mean is the best, but that does not guarantee a win against a player whose distribution has smaller mean, especially in shorter series.
The best player at a given moment is simply the one you put highest if you try to order the players. There are two ways to proclaim Life is not the best: either you believe that ordering is not well defined, or you present a player that is better.
On May 05 2015 21:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life not taking this proves again that it's just silly to call him THE best player in the world
Last few really big Tournaments (Korean tournaments + Blizzcon): -> Blizzcon: 1st -> GSL: 1st -> SSL: Ro4 -> Kespa Cup: Ro4 Nobody comes even close to that. He kinda failed at IEM, but that's the only rather poor showing he's had in quite some time.
Proleague was rather poor as well. But yeah sure it's actually a good point. His results were extremely good in the last tournaments. I guess my expectations for "the best player" are even higher though :D
"The best" doesn't mean he's unstoppable. He just has the best results right now overall and almost every match he goes into, he's favored to win (I srsly don't know who'd be favored against him). I'd say this makes someone the best player. That might change if he drops out of GSL/SSL, but right now there's little room for discussion on this matter, imo. No one does better than Life -> Life is the best player right now.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO loves zergs going for SH style...
lol herO eats the alive with 3 prong attacks.
only Zerg that Id say could have beaten herO in SH was Snute.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO loves zergs going for SH style...
lol herO eats the alive with 3 prong attacks.
only Zerg that Id say could have beaten herO in SH was Snute.
It's because of Snute that herO learned how to absolute destroy SH zeros.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO loves zergs going for SH style...
lol herO eats the alive with 3 prong attacks.
only Zerg that Id say could have beaten herO in SH was Snute.
Don't forget Curious. When he didn't derp like in that 1 hour game vs herO he was one of the best SH players in Korea.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO loves zergs going for SH style...
lol herO eats the alive with 3 prong attacks.
only Zerg that Id say could have beaten herO in SH was Snute.
Don't forget Curious. When he didn't derp like in that 1 hour game vs herO he was one of the best SH players in Korea.
Curious only plays his best when he has to judge if they are Code S or not.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO loves zergs going for SH style...
lol herO eats the alive with 3 prong attacks.
only Zerg that Id say could have beaten herO in SH was Snute.
Don't forget Curious. When he didn't derp like in that 1 hour game vs herO he was one of the best SH players in Korea.
Curious only plays his best when he has to judge if they are Code S or not.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO was by far the best protoss player against Swarm Hosts...
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO was by far the best protoss player against Swarm Hosts...
Only once he got cured by Snute. Before that he was not that good.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO was by far the best protoss player against Swarm Hosts...
Only once he got cured by Snute. Before that he was not that good.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO was by far the best protoss player against Swarm Hosts...
Only once he got cured by Snute. Before that he was not that good.
Technically, Zest at his peak was the best PvSH.
Since Zest never had to face Snute, there is no proof of that!
On May 05 2015 21:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life not taking this proves again that it's just silly to call him THE best player in the world
Last few really big Tournaments (Korean tournaments + Blizzcon): -> Blizzcon: 1st -> GSL: 1st -> SSL: Ro4 -> Kespa Cup: Ro4 Nobody comes even close to that. He kinda failed at IEM, but that's the only rather poor showing he's had in quite some time.
Proleague was rather poor as well. But yeah sure it's actually a good point. His results were extremely good in the last tournaments. I guess my expectations for "the best player" are even higher though :D
"The best" doesn't mean he's unstoppable. He just has the best results right now overall and almost every match he goes into, he's favored to win (I srsly don't know who'd be favored against him). I'd say this makes someone the best player. That might change if he drops out of GSL/SSL, but right now there's little room for discussion on this matter, imo. No one does better than Life -> Life is the best player right now.
Everyone's definition of "best" is different and everyone is biased in some way. This makes it impossible to declare someone the best
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO was by far the best protoss player against Swarm Hosts...
Only once he got cured by Snute. Before that he was not that good.
Technically, Zest at his peak was the best PvSH.
Since Zest never had to face Snute, there is no proof of that!
Snute SH sucked he is and was a tourtle zerg =(. SK was way better and zest owned him. SK was zest bitch.
Dark 3-0 Life is really surprising to me, and herO always seems to pull out a win when I don't want him too. I'd love for Dark to win a championship sometime soon, really I just want to see more of his sexy ZvT though.
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO was by far the best protoss player against Swarm Hosts...
Only once he got cured by Snute. Before that he was not that good.
Technically, Zest at his peak was the best PvSH.
Since Zest never had to face Snute, there is no proof of that!
Snute SH sucked he is and was a tourtle zerg =(. SK was way better and zest owned him. SK was zest bitch.
Snute's SH sucked? Really? That's like saying that PartinG's WoL Soul Trains or INnoVation's pre-patch Hellbats sucked -.-'
On May 05 2015 19:49 opisska wrote: This could have been a great moment when one of the best protosses ever finally gets his great success. However it just isn't because you can't seriously say that it is not because of the SH patch. He did not even have to build a SINGLE colossus throughout the entire day. What is worse, it is played on maps that often come from the SH era, the greatest insult being the game 7 on Vaani.
herO was by far the best protoss player against Swarm Hosts...
Only once he got cured by Snute. Before that he was not that good.
Technically, Zest at his peak was the best PvSH.
Since Zest never had to face Snute, there is no proof of that!
Snute SH sucked he is and was a tourtle zerg =(. SK was way better and zest owned him. SK was zest bitch.
If you let Snute go to SH without killing him before he had the best lategame SH. SK's SH style is exactly what herO loved to destroy before he had faced Snute the first time and got kicked out IEM by him.
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