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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
May 05 2015 07:33 GMT
#261
So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?

How do other Zergs deal with it?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 05 2015 07:34 GMT
#262
On May 05 2015 16:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 16:30 Big J wrote:
On May 05 2015 16:27 Elentos wrote:
At least herO is smart enough to realise that going into colossus from this composition is silly.

It's not, but it is just not necessary without swarm hosts and templar are just way better.

I don't like it. It's much slower and even more vulnerable to vipers which generally come at some point. Colossi, that is.

yeah, Templar are just better. But Colossi aren't bad either. Not sure about slower. Colossi are usually earlier than storm and more mobile than templar.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 05 2015 07:34 GMT
#263
blink stalker vs roach hydra all day long

is this turning into zvz one composition madness
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55554 Posts
May 05 2015 07:34 GMT
#264
On May 05 2015 16:32 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Great comeback and macro play from herO. Thats how you do it!

I mean, ByuL did his best to enable the comeback.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 05 2015 07:35 GMT
#265
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote:
So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?

How do other Zergs deal with it?

You have to be significantly better than your opponent and get infestors. It's the only way I've really seen.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 05 2015 07:36 GMT
#266
It's kind of funny how we've almost seen Protoss players in Korea become more and more aggressive in almost all matchups with the new "kill the colussus" strats from Terrans. There is such a fundamental vulnerability in having your damage output in one unit and a lot of the players are starting to really appreciate.

Well done from herO.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
May 05 2015 07:36 GMT
#267
On May 05 2015 16:08 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 15:59 -Kyo- wrote:
On May 05 2015 15:58 Zealously wrote:
On May 05 2015 15:50 Aeromi wrote:
On May 05 2015 15:48 duckk wrote:
On May 05 2015 15:46 Zealously wrote:
On May 05 2015 15:45 duckk wrote:
Life zvz's is probably the most readable out of any zerg player. I am pretty confident any amateur zerg player would be able to build order win life 4-0 pretty consistently if they are smart. Dark played on this and got an easy series win. Hopefully hero wins now so we dont have a zvz.


Do you beat him consistently on ladder or what are you trying to say


ladder is not the same as builds you bring to a bo5, but yes i have a positive win ratio vs one of his accounts. I dont know his others. Koreans are very robotic in their approach to the game. When life will 15hatch or 9pool is very very predictable and the skill gap between players will not matter in a 7pool vs 15hatch or 9pool vs non 15hatch.

Proof ?

I've been waiting for proof for something like 12 months


are u guys really questioning 'duckk'? the savior of north american esports? really?

I have no idea who's this guy tbh


U don't know who duckk is?!
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 07:37:54
May 05 2015 07:36 GMT
#268
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote:
So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?

How do other Zergs deal with it?


Roach/hydra/queen/BL

Roach/hydra/queen/infestor/viper/ultra

Surprise muta base trade.

Or Coin flip them out.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 05 2015 07:36 GMT
#269
On May 05 2015 16:34 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 16:32 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Great comeback and macro play from herO. Thats how you do it!

I mean, ByuL did his best to enable the comeback.


Yeah he gave away so many roaches needlessly. Still very solid macro play and decision making from herO
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 05 2015 07:38 GMT
#270
WTF how did Life get 3-0'd in a ZvZ??????????
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55554 Posts
May 05 2015 07:38 GMT
#271
On May 05 2015 16:34 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 16:31 Elentos wrote:
On May 05 2015 16:30 Big J wrote:
On May 05 2015 16:27 Elentos wrote:
At least herO is smart enough to realise that going into colossus from this composition is silly.

It's not, but it is just not necessary without swarm hosts and templar are just way better.

I don't like it. It's much slower and even more vulnerable to vipers which generally come at some point. Colossi, that is.

yeah, Templar are just better. But Colossi aren't bad either. Not sure about slower. Colossi are usually earlier than storm and more mobile than templar.

I meant that if you're already into +2 blink but also have a robo, templar tech is faster. Templar archives build faster than the robo bay, storm research is faster than colossus range and warping in a templar and waiting for a storm is faster than building a colossus.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 05 2015 07:38 GMT
#272
On May 05 2015 16:38 Ej_ wrote:
WTF how did Life get 3-0'd in a ZvZ??????????

10pool/baneling gamble
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 05 2015 07:38 GMT
#273
On May 05 2015 16:38 Ej_ wrote:
WTF how did Life get 3-0'd in a ZvZ??????????


lol, the worst series of all time. oh wait, ZvZ best mu??


10 pool bane on 4 player maps, twice

Failed speedling all in that Dark scouted and reacted to well.


KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 05 2015 07:38 GMT
#274
On May 05 2015 16:38 Ej_ wrote:
WTF how did Life get 3-0'd in a ZvZ??????????

10 pool bane vs hatch gas pool
failed ling attack into dying to ling bane counter attack
10 pool bane vs hatch pool
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24584 Posts
May 05 2015 07:38 GMT
#275
On May 05 2015 16:38 Ej_ wrote:
WTF how did Life get 3-0'd in a ZvZ??????????


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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55554 Posts
May 05 2015 07:39 GMT
#276
On May 05 2015 16:38 Ej_ wrote:
WTF how did Life get 3-0'd in a ZvZ??????????

Cheese. The bo5 ended after 23 minutes.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
May 05 2015 07:39 GMT
#277
On May 05 2015 16:36 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 16:33 SC2Toastie wrote:
So I've not watched a lot of SC2 in since Maru won SSL, watching this Kespa Cup is a ton of fun but Hero seems like he just makes stalkers and blinks and since the SH can't force Protoss out of Stalkers anymore Stalkers seem like they are the be all-end all unit for Protoss?

How do other Zergs deal with it?


Roach/hydra/queen/BL

Roach/hydra/queen/infestor/viper

Surprise muta base trade.

Or Coin flip them out.

So you aim to abuse the early economic lead to get the Roach Hydra numbers up and slow down Protoss as much as possible using Roaches, Burrow and possibly some Mutas. You rapidly tech up to Hive and gauge whether you have time for a BL transition or you need the faster Vipers out. Take an engagement in a massive concave and (literally) blinding cloud half the Protoss army to compensate for Psionic Storm.

Just a small little idea, what about including a 'Silence' to Fungal Growth? Zerg is the only race without anti-spellcaster abilities.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 05 2015 07:40 GMT
#278
ok I'm actually very surprised Life lost to 10pool bane , certainly he's no Leenock
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
May 05 2015 07:40 GMT
#279
On May 05 2015 16:40 Ej_ wrote:
ok I'm actually very surprised Life lost to 10pool bane , certainly he's no Leenock

10p bane vs Hatch First is a hard hold.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 05 2015 07:41 GMT
#280
On May 05 2015 16:40 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 16:40 Ej_ wrote:
ok I'm actually very surprised Life lost to 10pool bane , certainly he's no Leenock

10p bane vs Hatch First is a hard hold.


Its pretty impossible without massive mistakes from the aggressive player, and Dark did a pretty good job microing
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