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Deathstar
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On April 02 2015 23:26 Shellshock wrote: Flash probably wouldn't have taken a game off herO today either if they played Good point. Seems like herO is untouchable these days | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On April 02 2015 23:41 Deathstar wrote: Good point. Seems like herO is untouchable these days Provided he doesn't play Top Zerg's/Parting/Bbyong, lol. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote: haha i knew leenock would beat flash. rogue losing is quite surprising tho. how were the games? I mentioned previously, he looked very jet lagged and was completely out of it. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:19 Alucen-Will- wrote: SPOTV casters are really jumping on the Flash hate train these days lol Everyone is. Literally everyone is taking every chance they get to hate on the guy. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
At least herO made it  | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:21 The_Red_Viper wrote: So Flash and Rogue lost, unexpected tbh. (at least Rogue losing is a big upset) At least herO made it Hurricane has been trained by 2 of the 4 best sc2 coaches, Choya and Stork. Once he gets Ryu Won and SwagHo, he'll get a decoder ring. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:20 Elentos wrote: Everyone is. Literally everyone is taking every chance they get to hate on the guy. Funny how none of them play Terran or can appreciate his Builds/Game Knowledge. With that said I think he should incorporate more Hellion/Banshee ala Cure. He already has showed some taste for Cure's Builds with his 5 rax cc first game aggression against Trap in Katowice. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:22 Alucen-Will- wrote: Funny how none of them play Terran or can appreciate his Builds/Game Knowledge. With that said I think he should incorporate more Hellion/Banshee ala Cure. He already has showed some taste for Cure's Builds with his 5 rax cc first game aggression against Trap in Katowice. His style is okay, what he should do is not throw away obvious leads. He came dangerously close to that in game 2 and did it in games 3 and 4. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:23 Elentos wrote: His style is okay, what he should do is not throw away obvious leads. He came dangerously close to that in game 2 and did it in games 3 and 4. Certainly the case, Granted it was cross spawn Deadwing against Zerg. The current meta is heavily favored for Zerg against Terran in macro games (Deadwing, Vaani, Overgrowth, Expedition lost, etc). It's no surprising that the best Terrans right now are aggressive players like Maru/Innovation/Cure. I think there are some cool flash things has introduced against zerg like the 4 mine macro game medivac harass. Even cure tried to do it against Pet a week ago in Proleague. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:24 Alucen-Will- wrote: Certainly the case, Granted it was cross spawn Deadwing against Zerg. The current meta is heavily favored for Zerg against Terran in macro games (Deadwing, Vaani, Overgrowth, Expedition lost, etc). It's no surprising that the best Terrans right now are aggressive players like Maru/Innovation/Cure. The thing is, it seems like once Flash reaches a certain point in a macro game, he's in his comfort zone and really difficult to beat, like in g2 against Leenock or in SPL against ByuL. He has to work on getting there more safely and add in some more pressure plays. He plays a bit too passive until he's confident to move out I feel. And then when he went for the hellbats he did nothing with them even though they could have won them the game had he killed the hatch. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:27 Elentos wrote: The thing is, it seems like once Flash reaches a certain point in a macro game, he's in his comfort zone and really difficult to beat, like in g2 against Leenock or in SPL against ByuL. He has to work on getting there more safely and add in some more pressure plays. I agree, and it has really always been this way in his career. It's easy on the surface to criticize someone who is just losing (sometimes in an embarrassing fashion), but it's much more to look at his play objectively and understand at a deeper level what he is trying to do, and the strengths and weakness of what goes into his style. I don't mean to hate too much on the casters but it really drives me crazy sometimes. I really do like all of the casters in Korea, but they are far from perfect. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:27 Elentos wrote: The thing is, it seems like once Flash reaches a certain point in a macro game, he's in his comfort zone and really difficult to beat, like in g2 against Leenock or in SPL against ByuL. He has to work on getting there more safely and add in some more pressure plays. He plays a bit too passive until he's confident to move out I feel. And then when he went for the hellbats he did nothing with them even though they could have won them the game had he killed the hatch. You have to think about the fact that the times he got to the late game, no one abused him for his greedy openings either. He isn't going to look that strong if he plays normal. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:31 stuchiu wrote: You have to think about the fact that the times he got to the late game, no one abused him for his greedy openings either. He isn't going to look that strong if he plays normal. Not really, flash's greedy style of play reflects his philosophical belief in the strength of timing attacks and his confidence in defending early aggression. In the TvZ matchup in HOTS where Zerg is far more cost efficient in the late game, gains map control with mutalisks, holds in the death nail with 3/3/ and ultralisks, Macro bio is VERY hard to play as a Terran. Banelings are far and away the most cost-efficient unit in the game and are much easier to use than Widow Mines, particularly in macro games. Really a Terran should be more confident in the early game. Flash's style reflects his belief in the right way to play the game and the unbreakable confidence he has in executing his builds. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:31 stuchiu wrote: You have to think about the fact that the times he got to the late game, no one abused him for his greedy openings either. He isn't going to look that strong if he plays normal. The game against Leenock was on the back of a failed quasi all-in by Leenock, but it's not like Flash took 0 damage. And I did say he needs to work on getting there more safely and do more pressure, so I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me here :S. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:34 Alucen-Will- wrote: Not really, flash's greedy style of play reflects his philosophical belief in the strength of timing attacks and his confidence in defending early aggression. that's really ironic | ||
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