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Cut down on the balance/design whining please.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
March 14 2015 21:18 GMT
#4301
What a beautiful final it will be.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
March 14 2015 21:18 GMT
#4302
On March 15 2015 06:17 Rollora wrote:
I hope its a PvP finale, so I don't feel the need to tune in.


Lol ya pretty much how i feel. I cant even look at protoss anymore.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
March 14 2015 21:18 GMT
#4303
On March 15 2015 06:17 Aquila- wrote:
This stupid cheese randomness does not belong into a competitive game.


Absolutely agree!
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
March 14 2015 21:18 GMT
#4304
Zest nonchalantly expands lol
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
March 14 2015 21:18 GMT
#4305
Pls make the comeback Bbyong
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3554 Posts
March 14 2015 21:18 GMT
#4306
I think it's time to step up the cheese levels and add a Stargate for Oracles.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
March 14 2015 21:19 GMT
#4307
On March 15 2015 06:18 rebuffering wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:17 Rollora wrote:
I hope its a PvP finale, so I don't feel the need to tune in.


Lol ya pretty much how i feel. I cant even look at protoss anymore.


Same, seems like PvP finals will save me a lot of time.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
March 14 2015 21:19 GMT
#4308
On March 15 2015 06:16 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:15 Shellshock wrote:
I can't believe zest is going to the final after the awful series against hydra

Should've been TANGTANG in the finals

#TANGTANGforIEM
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 14 2015 21:19 GMT
#4309
On March 15 2015 06:16 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 05:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:28 Rollora wrote:
lelelelel.
If you don't want to actually engage the enemy create a wall that prevents his army to do anything.

Forcefields must be the most hated spell in the game :D

I seriously doubt the designer who made it was sane, as it can't be a good Idea to make a game that is about war and strategy and then invent a spell that makes you win without war and strategy (well if you count blocking units it could be called a valuable strategy).
I really don't get so many design decisions about protoss. The forcefileds, the colossus (as an easy to use, High-damage-output AOE unit that needs no skill, I always thought such units shouldn't exist) and the warpins. And the many allins and bullshit tactics possible around this.

They always make me hate the protoss race so much, I don't watch the games with toss anymore.
While I understand it takes skill to use all these abilities to the max, Blizzard knows from the very early days of sc2 that there is a lot of hate about all that and so many people are frustrated because of these abilities.

I don't understand why blizzard doesn't want to change that 2/3 of the players are frustrated with the game. Of course every race is a little bit frustrated about 1-2 things about the other race (Fungals or Widow Mines) but with protoss there are SO MANY things to get frustrated about. I really don't understand why that can't be changed. Propably because Protoss would be less a technical race and more a mechanical, but this would make playing and watching it more fun. Like: having more powerful gateway units but not being required to have so many powerful spells.

And yeah, I guess I am salty, since this guy killed 2 of my favorite terrans with bullshit and stuff that make me mad about toss (because they seem to be easier to execute than to defend against) and now also one of the best zergs.
Allins shouldn't be THAT strong, srsly. And from a failed allin in the beginning you shouldn't be able to come back like that.

And yeah, I do understand that Trap played phenomenal, he wouldn't be able to beat Flash, Fantasy and Dark if he didn't.
Still, I hate these abilities, I wished Trap showed some phenomenal macro games without all that stuff.


You, and it seems the entirety of reddit, are so fucking mad right now. I get it though, FFs are dumb and have been dumb since day 1

I stand by what I said: Trap is extremely skillful, it takes a lot of skill to use the abilities he has.
But I'd rather not have them in the game.
They are simply stupid, as you say. A cast should do damage or whatever. It should NEVER be able to prevent an opponent from being able to do something. It should never prevent skill to succeed.
And that is what Forcefields and some other abilities do and that is why I am mad about the game ever since the first day.
Ever since I first played SC2, and tried to outmultitask my opponents, outmacro and outmicro him (I started as Terran, went on from then) and then the opponent pushes a single button and has the right unit composition, moves his army ball over my bunkers or over my well positioned army but gets feedbacks/Storms off before I get my EMPs off... whatever.... just frustration. Even though it might be balanced in Korean GM, this is being more and more imbalanced the more you go down the ladder.
And then we might have a game that is balanced on pro level (which is 0.01 % of the players) but the other 99.9 Percent are unhappy.

Lockdown? Stasis? Let's not pretend like non-damaging spells are new to RTS games or even Starcraft itself.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 14 2015 21:19 GMT
#4310
On March 15 2015 06:18 Spinoza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:17 Aquila- wrote:
This stupid cheese randomness does not belong into a competitive game.


Absolutely agree!


Let's go back to BW, at least DT bullshit didn't make it to the top level there
AdministratorBreak the chains
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
March 14 2015 21:19 GMT
#4311
On March 15 2015 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:16 Beakyboo wrote:
SC2 has truly come a long way. These strats are just so sophisticated


I think the last ever professional game of brood war (the most sophisticated game ever) ended with a DT rush build.

Might be wrong about that. maybe it was the last OSL game or something

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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
March 14 2015 21:19 GMT
#4312
On March 15 2015 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:16 Beakyboo wrote:
SC2 has truly come a long way. These strats are just so sophisticated


I think the last ever professional game of brood war (the most sophisticated game ever) ended with a DT rush build.

Might be wrong about that. maybe it was the last OSL game or something

oh please
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4313
1 base rax/port/fac

remind you of anything?

Habitation station?

Anyone?
AdministratorBreak the chains
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4314
Bbyong gonna 1-1-1 it?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4315
On March 15 2015 06:20 Zealously wrote:
1 base rax/port/fac

remind you of anything?

Habitation station?

Anyone?


With more space
S4 Arrows, never forget. RIP Woongjin Stars.
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2275 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4316
let the contain continue
Cogito, ergo Toss
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2665 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4317
On March 15 2015 06:20 Zealously wrote:
1 base rax/port/fac

remind you of anything?

Habitation station?

Anyone?


No, not without the gold, 1-1-1 is an awful build vs protoss
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4318
200 minerals, 800 gas --> build assimilator
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4319
This thread is more interesting than the game ... Blizzard ... what have you done to this beautiful game?
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#4320
On March 15 2015 06:20 Zealously wrote:
1 base rax/port/fac

remind you of anything?

Habitation station?

Anyone?

Reminds me of 2011, and Puma and Polt
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