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On March 06 2015 21:31 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. Point is; the dissipating ff's on slopes wouldn't chance too much defensively
Uhhhhh Yes they would -,-!
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On March 06 2015 21:32 Heartland wrote:
Sangate isn't very good vs three hatch before pool though
huge bo advantage for rogue if he knows what is going on he's miles ahead.
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On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl.
That's true, Terran is actually the problem
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Italy12248 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes.
And PvT
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On March 06 2015 21:31 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. Point is; the dissipating ff's on slopes wouldn't chance too much defensively
actually it would change a lot, for example you automatically lose vs dt if you don't have robo/stargate in time
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On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem
Protoss design is the problem, and somehow, Forcefield is the answer. And Recall. Overcharge. ugh...
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Elentos
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On March 06 2015 21:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:31 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. Point is; the dissipating ff's on slopes wouldn't chance too much defensively actually it would change a lot, for example you automatically lose vs dt if you don't have robo/stargate in time
You'd have to accurately FF the bottom or top of your ramp without hitting the slope.
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On March 06 2015 21:34 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem Protoss design is the problem, and somehow, Forcefield is the answer. And Recall. Overcharge. ugh...
Overcharge is fine. Whining about it in 2015 is pointless, and it still has a lot of room for micro potential in mid game.
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On March 06 2015 21:34 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. And PvT
I was still speaking in the context of this MU, but indeed, PvT would become unplayable as well.
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem
That's what I'm always saying! ;P
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On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem
lol guys.
Forcefield is the problem with forcefields.
Swarm Host is the problem with Swarm Hosts.
There are other ways to balance the problems the lack of those tools would cause. But it's not like blizzard said "we need forcefields to stop stim pushes", they just yolo'd that stuff in and balanced the game with the bullshit existing instead of balancing it differently, so it eventually became essential bullshit.
But those are not "the reasons" why the bullshit was created in the first place.
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On March 06 2015 21:35 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:34 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem Protoss design is the problem, and somehow, Forcefield is the answer. And Recall. Overcharge. ugh... Overcharge is fine. Whining about it in 2015 is pointless, and it still has a lot of room for micro potential in mid game. I'm of the opinion we should keep on complaining about it if we want shit to ever change. Overcharge and Recall are stupid mechanics, so is Forcefield in it's current implementation.
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nice save on the sentries
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Italy12248 Posts
Blizzard has said multiple times that they won't go back on FF design, which means they have to balance around their existance.
Also, Ravagers.
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great defense from herO, now just finish it out!
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On March 06 2015 21:37 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:35 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:34 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:
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What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble!
GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem Protoss design is the problem, and somehow, Forcefield is the answer. And Recall. Overcharge. ugh... Overcharge is fine. Whining about it in 2015 is pointless, and it still has a lot of room for micro potential in mid game. I'm of the opinion we should keep on complaining about it if we want shit to ever change. Overcharge and Recall are stupid mechanics, so is Forcefield in it's current implementation.
Yes, it's super fun and creates a great mood in this forum if people take every chance to whine!
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On March 06 2015 21:36 OsaX Nymloth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Sentry offensive forcefielding a ramp should have been fixed years ago. Especially how it worked out with this ramp, there was nothing Rogue could do to defend the main, he just got forcefielded and Hero moved to the main. easy What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble! GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem That's what I'm always saying! ;P
Hehe, the Terran hater
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On March 06 2015 21:37 Teoita wrote:
Blizzard has said multiple times that they won't go back on FF design, which means they have to balance around their existance.
Also, Ravagers.
We should campaign to rename Ravagers to something like Überroach
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On March 06 2015 21:37 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 21:35 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:34 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:33 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:32 sAsImre wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 06 2015 21:30 Penev wrote:On March 06 2015 21:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 06 2015 21:25 Loccstana wrote:On March 06 2015 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:
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What are you talking about, Blizzard fixed how hard offensive forcefielding a ramp was to execute as Protoss and gave MSC Recall to get out in case of trouble!
GJ Rogue, rooting for Swarm Hosts is a new thing for me, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Make it so that forcefields autodissapate on sloped surfaces like ramps Isn't the main reason FFs exist to keep Zerg shit from coming up the Protoss's sloped surfaces? Actually, no, that's what sim city is for. The forcefields initial purpose was to protect the army Structures can die, Protoss needs forcefield in PvP and vs Zerg rushes. without FF on ramps you just do stim timings all TvP rofl. That's true, Terran is actually the problem Protoss design is the problem, and somehow, Forcefield is the answer. And Recall. Overcharge. ugh... Overcharge is fine. Whining about it in 2015 is pointless, and it still has a lot of room for micro potential in mid game. I'm of the opinion we should keep on complaining about it if we want shit to ever change. Overcharge and Recall are stupid mechanics, so is Forcefield in it's current implementation.
overcharge just prevent some stupid shit in the early game and i'm fine with that. You can still all in through it or just put some more interesting pressure than a moving a bunch of marines. It saved PvP from the horror that was WoL PvP.
The fact you dislike it doesn't mean it's not good for the game. And stop expecting a whole redesign of P it's not gonna happen.
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