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On March 04 2015 23:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 23:33 Elentos wrote:On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses. Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting. 3gate blink/robo vs an expand build IS a build order loss, it's as far behind as you can fall with that build. It has no potential to pressure and it has an expand that starts when Creator's is already done. In fact, Zest played a ridiculous game in the ace vs Creator to kill his army but he was never ahead. He had one timing to try and win the game (Creator had better upgrades and another one finishing, as well as a 4th going up. He was on a timer and Creator barely held his attack with DTs. Both games he played from a gigantic deficit and did all he could.
I hope i'm not late to the Zest PVP`losses analysis. Something very interesting happened in that match where Creator barely held his attack with DTs, which is the same one i assume that Elementos said he overcommited and lost his colossus. Those DTs held the attack that would have worked and won Zest the game if it weren't for them. Unrevealed DTs do that. Revealed DTs die quickly and do nothing right? Did you guys see why Zest had no observer in that fight? GO WATCH IT, IT WAS AMAZING.
I'm no Zest fan, i loved Creator wining that game even the way it happened. I actually consider Zest, while being an amazing player, overrated and actually a patchtoss, and this is why: Everyone keeps saying he has and had a weakness vs terran. He rode his godlike but not infallible pvp and pvz to win all those titles when terran was UP. Everyone knows this.
Confidence is very important, and he rode that too. Now that he isn't as infallible because he keeps facing ''the op terrans'' time and again, he doesn't have as much confidence and makes more mistakes, even in his other match-ups where we are used to his perfection. God i hated that perfection at the GSL finals vs soO. Handsome Bastard.
Edit: Im just gonna add for people who didn't see and won't look for it. What happened that made Zest have no observer in the fight wasn't a mistake. it was pure 100% random.
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Shine is still around then? Fucker looks to have cheesed out both Hyun and, more importantly, Stats (!!!) in his bracket. Goddamnit. He's almost reached Sniper-level of hate for me.
Glad Flash, soO, and Cure survived... real shame about Zest and Stats. Any Bo3 is dangerous as hell if your opponent brings his absolute best game or something surprising you're a bit unprepared for.
Look at the player list for the upcoming Code A of Season 2. It's more insane than I've ever seen it.
S2 Code A: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_2/Code_A
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On March 05 2015 09:53 Megafather wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 23:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:33 Elentos wrote:On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses. Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting. 3gate blink/robo vs an expand build IS a build order loss, it's as far behind as you can fall with that build. It has no potential to pressure and it has an expand that starts when Creator's is already done. In fact, Zest played a ridiculous game in the ace vs Creator to kill his army but he was never ahead. He had one timing to try and win the game (Creator had better upgrades and another one finishing, as well as a 4th going up. He was on a timer and Creator barely held his attack with DTs. Both games he played from a gigantic deficit and did all he could. I hope i'm not late to the Zest PVP`losses analysis. Something very interesting happened in that match where Creator barely held his attack with DTs, which is the same one i assume that Elementos said he overcommited and lost his colossus. Those DTs held the attack that would have worked and won Zest the game if it weren't for them. Unrevealed DTs do that. Revealed DTs die quickly and do nothing right? Did you guys see why Zest had no observer in that fight? GO WATCH IT, IT WAS AMAZING. I'm no Zest fan, i loved Creator wining that game even the way it happened. I actually consider Zest, while being an amazing player, overrated and actually a patchtoss
Agreed. But I noticed this four months ago and predicted this happening for Zest. Four months ago. And was flamed, banned and insulted unprofessionally by a TL staff member for it, simply because that person loves Zest.
But now that my predictions came true, everyone's coming to the same realization that I saw pretty clearly back last year ever since he got destroyed by TRUE in the GSL Ro8 (iirc was Ro8), over 7 months ago, but only posted about it 3-4 months ago.
He rode his godlike but not infallible pvp and pvz to win all those titles when terran was UP. Everyone knows this.
Confidence is very important, and he rode that too. Now that he isn't as infallible because he keeps facing ''the op terrans'' time and again, he doesn't have as much confidence and makes more mistakes, even in his other match-ups where we are used to his perfection. God i hated that perfection at the GSL finals vs soO. Handsome Bastard.
I dont know what games you were watching, but to me, Zest did not play to 'perfection' in the finals against soO. He should have lost 4-2, soO threw that game mightily and then proceeded to throw the series.
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So many good players in...so many good players out 
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On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:So many good players in...so many good players out
I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
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On March 05 2015 16:02 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:So many good players in...so many good players out I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
Double elimination would mean that there would be 4 extra matches per group, so 48 more across the day (assuming no walkovers)
Really not very feasible :[
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On March 05 2015 05:15 SackOfWetMice wrote:Called it like 4 months ago...and was flamed and banned by a raging DarkLordOlli. But I am a good sport as a winner, so I don't blame DLO, nor harbor any hard feelings.
I called it too, and I never got flamed or banned.
Makes you wonder if there was more to the flaming and banning than just "calling it." 
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On March 05 2015 00:32 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 05 2015 00:14 Elentos wrote:On March 05 2015 00:12 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:10 Big J wrote:On March 05 2015 00:08 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense  Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine Only one way to settle this Grudge match ! Austrian rivalries at their best. They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports. I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules. All you can eat Schnitzel and afterwards grudge match when both of you cannot move anymore.
I'd rather have a contest who can eat more Schnitzel :D
With Kartoffelsalat!
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On March 05 2015 17:15 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 05:15 SackOfWetMice wrote:Called it like 4 months ago...and was flamed and banned by a raging DarkLordOlli. But I am a good sport as a winner, so I don't blame DLO, nor harbor any hard feelings. I called it too, and I never got flamed or banned.
I don't remember anybody except TheDwf agreeing with my analysis when I posted it back around November/December, but if you did call it, then I'm glad to see that there are more people than just me that were able to pierce the ''hype'' surrounding Zest and see him for what he truly was.
Makes you wonder if there was more to the flaming and banning than just "calling it."
Absolutely there was, I 100% agree. The staff member in question has had a personal vendetta against me ever since I started posting. But that's off-topic. Let's get back to Zest, TANGTANG, and Code A.
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On March 05 2015 16:02 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:So many good players in...so many good players out I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
This is Impact's 3rd Code A with his previous Code A appearances ending up with him narrowly missing out on Code S. I wouldn't say he's a surprising qualifier.
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No zest, stats, classic, stork
But yay for hero, pigbaby and especially creator (an old favorite of mine)
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On March 05 2015 21:49 KatatoniK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 16:02 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:So many good players in...so many good players out I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ??? This is Impact's 3rd Code A with his previous Code A appearances ending up with him narrowly missing out on Code S. I wouldn't say he's a surprising qualifier.
yeah he also had really hard Code A groups. Almost qualified in a group with DRG and Bbyong.
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On March 05 2015 23:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 21:49 KatatoniK wrote:On March 05 2015 16:02 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:So many good players in...so many good players out I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ??? This is Impact's 3rd Code A with his previous Code A appearances ending up with him narrowly missing out on Code S. I wouldn't say he's a surprising qualifier. yeah he also had really hard Code A groups. Almost qualified in a group with DRG and Bbyong.
Exactly, also I lied, it's his 4th Code A. He was in Code A back in 2013 for WCS Season 3 back when he was on Woongjin Stars and known as Mekia.
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