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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On March 04 2015 23:37 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses. I see. I guess he underestimated the amount of herO's stalkers and thought of using the phoenixes to kill probes and seal the deal. Still, the DT thing didn't make sense to me, did he think "ok I'm gonna let this DTs do some damage because I'll be ahead anyways, and use my obs for scouting the follow up"? If so, he failed to scout the follow up correctly because it killed him. Thanks DLO for educating us in this dark art of PvP ^.^
My guess, which should be anyone's, is that he didn't look at the dark shrine when he scouted it. Zest had the same setup as herO's, it was only a few seconds behind in blink. He was building immortals to bridge that gap. So really herO tried to break someone with the exact same setup as him, defensive immortals against none, and overcharge, and a phoenix advantage. It worked because Zest messed up and didn't bring the phoenixes home, going for probes instead to interrupt production and overpower herO's army that way. It only worked because Zest messed up. He was still ahead after the DT though because his phoenix advantage is much much bigger than the two probe difference at the end of that.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On March 04 2015 23:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 23:33 Elentos wrote:On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses. Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting. 3gate blink/robo vs an expand build IS a build order loss, it's as far behind as you can fall with that build. It has no potential to pressure and it has an expand that starts when Creator's is already done. In fact, Zest played a ridiculous game in the ace vs Creator to kill his army but he was never ahead. He had one timing to try and win the game (Creator had better upgrades and another one finishing, as well as a 4th going up. He was on a timer and Creator barely held his attack with DTs. Both games he played from a gigantic deficit and did all he could.
I see. Well, I don't Protoss and these games were a while ago, so I guess that skewed my perception. Nevertheless, Zest royally fucked up in game 1 against herO.
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On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense  Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh.
So you aren't an expert either 
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
I don't trust your memory so that's fine
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine
Only one way to settle this
Grudge match
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On March 05 2015 00:08 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine Only one way to settle this Grudge match
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Austrian rivalries at their best.
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Zest failing bigtime in qualifiers for 3 months now AND being the worst FPL player in S2.
RIP Zest. It was fun.
Patchtoss
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On March 05 2015 00:10 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:08 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine Only one way to settle this Grudge match ! Austrian rivalries at their best.
They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On March 05 2015 00:12 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:10 Big J wrote:On March 05 2015 00:08 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine Only one way to settle this Grudge match ! Austrian rivalries at their best. They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports.
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On March 05 2015 00:11 SC2Toastie wrote:
Zest failing bigtime in qualifiers for 3 months now AND being the worst FPL player in S2.
RIP Zest. It was fun.
Patchtoss
Meh. It is only natural that someone does best when his race is strong. You probably could say the same about Mvp then...
Sure, Zest doesn't do well right now, but i am pretty sure that he will bounce back and win another korean tournament in the next 12 months.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On March 05 2015 00:14 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:12 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:10 Big J wrote:On March 05 2015 00:08 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine Only one way to settle this Grudge match ! Austrian rivalries at their best. They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports.
I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On March 05 2015 00:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:14 Elentos wrote:On March 05 2015 00:12 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:10 Big J wrote:On March 05 2015 00:08 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine Only one way to settle this Grudge match ! Austrian rivalries at their best. They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports. I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules.
I find this approach to life very reasonable.
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On March 05 2015 00:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:14 Elentos wrote:On March 05 2015 00:12 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:10 Big J wrote:On March 05 2015 00:08 Lorning wrote:On March 05 2015 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:59 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 23:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote:herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there. As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either I don't trust your memory so that's fine Only one way to settle this Grudge match ! Austrian rivalries at their best. They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports. I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules.
All you can eat Schnitzel and afterwards grudge match when both of you cannot move anymore.
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United States97277 Posts
nice! sOs, soO, and Creator
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United States12612 Posts
On March 04 2015 17:38 xpaperclip wrote:
Fuck mech fml
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Journey is a fucking monster.
Cant believe he lost to ragnarok that is crazy.
I think.code a will be dominated by Terran. The line up is just so stupidly strong.
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United States23455 Posts
aLive 0-2 Byul in ro8 of his bracket TT. Gonna use that as an excuse to whine about the format
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It is turning into an anus horibilis for Zest holy shit.
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On March 04 2015 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 22:40 Elentos wrote:On March 04 2015 22:32 Starecat wrote:
Zest confirmed patch toss?
Btw surprising results today o.O AFAIK PvT has always been his worst match-up. He's just having issues all around these days. His PvP results recently aren't explained through patchtoss alone for example. Well, those I can break down for you and explain that he played very very well and got really unlucky. Especially vs herO and creator.
While that is a fair point, you could easily just 'break down and explain that Zest got really lucky' during the finals that he won vs. soO and during the period of time when he was good (during the undisputed reign of Protoss, and with PvP being his best matchup). So you can't keep explaining away his losses as bad luck, or him 'just playing poorly,' and say he's still a great player - or you validate the argument that his wins are just good luck, his opponent 'just playing poorly,' and that he's nothing but a patch toss.
On March 05 2015 00:11 SC2Toastie wrote:
Zest failing bigtime in qualifiers for 3 months now AND being the worst FPL player in S2.
RIP Zest. It was fun.
Patchtoss
Called it like 4 months ago...and was flamed and banned by a raging DarkLordOlli. But I am a good sport as a winner, so I don't blame DLO, nor harbor any hard feelings.
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On March 04 2015 20:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 20:04 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 04 2015 19:58 OtherWorld wrote:On March 04 2015 19:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 19:50 OtherWorld wrote:On March 04 2015 19:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2015 19:27 sharkie wrote:On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote:
So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff. People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time. But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches. Well we've seen in the past that coaches sometimes make strange decisions, which appear as genius when they work out and as totally retarded when they don't, so I wouldn't read too much into Zest being KT's ace. He's consistently aced for them though, not like they randomly made a crazy choice to send him out once. Yeah that's true. As for the "popular player" thing, I don't buy it because if they really would want that they'd field Flash instead, as much as I like Zest just compare the fangirls screams when Flash wins a game and when Zest wins one and you'll see who is the more popular. You're making an unnecessary and incorrect assumption there, though - disregarding the "popularity" factor because you say if that was the case, then they'd send out Flash. But that's not necessarily true, as they do intend to win the ace. Sending out Flash in his current form would just be possibly the worst choice statistically as ace, despite him being the most popular player on KT. So they choose Zest, someone they think has a better chance of winning the ace than Flash (which isn't saying much), but is still a fan favorite and an attractive face for their brand (again, PL is a television show in Korea, after all). I'm happy to learn that I am incorrect, and that you and your overpowered knowledge know what goes through the mind of KT's coaches and decisions makers, as well as knowing that FlaSh's in house stats are worse than Zest's. You should consider applying for a job at SKT, they'd be happy to know how KT works from the inside.
I have a very prestigious job, so I'll put the SKT application on hold for now. And I don't really think SKT needs my help right now, nor does KT need anything else stacked against them. They have enough woes already.
(and that sig lmao, golden)
Why thank you.
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